Panssarivaunut
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kimmo.j kirjoitti:
Rauta- ja maanteiden mahdollistama strateginen liikkuvuus on tärkeätä suurvalloille, mutta meidän osalta asialla ei ole merkitystä. Suomessa vaunut voisivat painaa jopa 200 tonnia ilman ongelmia. Tällaiset vaunut olisivat vielä maanteillä hikiseen siirrettävissä sopivilla laveteilla. Siirtoihin ei edes olisi suurempaa tarvetta, kunhan vaunut olisi sijoitettu sopivaan varuskuntaan.
200 tonnia olisi ehkä jo aika painava, mutta 100 tonnia painava Leopardi leveämmillä teloilla voisi olla kova sana. Panssari kestäisi edestä ja sivuilta kaiken mahdollisen. Paikallinen vastahyökkäys toisi aina tulosta. Laajempaa strategisen tason operaatiota ei edes yritettäisi.
Valtaosa vaunuista kuitenkin taistelee ja tuhoutuu varsin pienellä alueella. Siten on turha panostaa strategiseen liikkuvuuteen.
kimmo.j
Respected Leader
JOKO kirjoitti:
Olen eri miltä kanssasi tästä. 100km telamarssi on aika maksimi mitä vaunu komppania on järkevä siirtyä teloin. Kun Suomi neito on kuitenkin pitkä, on siirtämiselle tarvetta, sekä maanteitse lavetilla, että junalla. 100 tonninen voisi olla ongelmissa siltojen kanssa.
Panssarivaunun idea on nimen omaan liikkuvuus.
Morgenstern
Luutnantti
Aivan oikein tuon junan kanssa, jo Leo menee yli laitojen. Panssareilla lastattu juna ratoineen on helpoin ja mahtavin maali mitä voi kuvitella. Katkaisisin tietyt radat heti alkuun, kunnolla.
Aavikkovaunujahan ei ajeltu Irakiin junilla, joten aavikolle käy vaikka Maus. Tiijäppäs sitten, miten hiekkadyynillä käy?
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Ja Hejsan, eikös nuo reiät tuossa kuvassa ole jäähdytettyjä paikkoja isoille Pepsi -pulloille?
Aavikkovaunujahan ei ajeltu Irakiin junilla, joten aavikolle käy vaikka Maus. Tiijäppäs sitten, miten hiekkadyynillä käy?
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Ja Hejsan, eikös nuo reiät tuossa kuvassa ole jäähdytettyjä paikkoja isoille Pepsi -pulloille?
......niin jos ammukset on loppu niin ne ampuu Pepsipulloja.
Morgenstern
Luutnantti
Hitto, se on naisen jalka sukkahousuissa, kengänkärki alaspäin!
Uusi miehistöpolitiikka, uusi panssarimiehistön pukeutumiskoodi?
Uusi miehistöpolitiikka, uusi panssarimiehistön pukeutumiskoodi?
Pullosorsa
Luutnantti
Kuinkahan paljon intialaisten Arjun-projektiin tuli omaa loppujen lopuksi? Eikös melkein kaikki ole muualta ostettua/kopioitua? Hintaa projektille lienee tullut niin paljon, että sitä ei voi enää keskeyttääkään...
Puolakin osti Leopard 2A4, nyt niilä on joku moddaminen päällä
Moddaminen jälkeen sen nimi on Leopard 2PL
How marked the generals themselves in conversation with the Minister, on this program, the most they care. . Probably they also supported a realistic assessment of the financial position and location of armored troops in the technical modernization of the HR.
First of all exchanges are subject to electro-optical devices. . New thermal receiver receives a gunner and the commander of the car the whole observation and sighting device. Exchange is to be the same 120 mm gun stabilization of electricity.
Drew attention to the possession of German cars taking part in exercises Badger 2012 (version of the A5 and A6), rear view camera for the driver. The basic version of Leopard 2PL also contains such a solution. . The driver will receive a small monitor allows you to easily reach. . The monitor is of German cars on the left side suspended driver's seat. The driver of our leopards also have to obtain such a seat.
Basic variant of proposed Leopard 2PL
The trend in the modernization of older vehicles is to install a separate power supply (the APU). Very good solution when stationary tank, when the work equipment will not need to be powered by the engine. Leopards will also receive new sensors and explosion-proof bottle with a mixture of fire fighting.
It's probably a nod to the use of cars in asymmetric conflicts. Protection will boost the bottom of the hull by installing additional armor plates.
Enhanced variant called Leopard 2PL+
Extended variant of modernization, in addition to the above would assume adding a few more items.
Leopards 2GB + (+ - this is our addition) would receive a system of internal communication and contact with the environment (indicated by the Fonet), the management system battlefield, remote-controlled firing position FLW 200 production KMW and new, more efficient cooling system blocks of electronics and improves the comfort of the service the air conditioning system .
A little surprising that only at this stage is planned to introduce a modern cannon ammunition, both combat and education.
Minister Siemoniak in response to questions about the future of the Polish armored highlighted the need to implement such a program in our zbrojeniówce. The game can probably only come Bumar. Recently the press reported that it may amount to PLN 150 million, which seems low compared to the amount of the renewal of fighting efficiency of 40 Hard for 106 million PLN. Fortunately, we also need not weigh in this case the open door, a few such projects have been implemented and the partners to work with us will surely find a western border neighborhood.
http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdziennikzbrojny.pl%2Fartykuly%2Fart%2C5%2C19%2C1243%2Cwojska-ladowe%2Cczolgi%2Cnowe-szaty-polskich-leopardow
Moddaminen jälkeen sen nimi on Leopard 2PL
How marked the generals themselves in conversation with the Minister, on this program, the most they care. . Probably they also supported a realistic assessment of the financial position and location of armored troops in the technical modernization of the HR.
First of all exchanges are subject to electro-optical devices. . New thermal receiver receives a gunner and the commander of the car the whole observation and sighting device. Exchange is to be the same 120 mm gun stabilization of electricity.
Drew attention to the possession of German cars taking part in exercises Badger 2012 (version of the A5 and A6), rear view camera for the driver. The basic version of Leopard 2PL also contains such a solution. . The driver will receive a small monitor allows you to easily reach. . The monitor is of German cars on the left side suspended driver's seat. The driver of our leopards also have to obtain such a seat.
Basic variant of proposed Leopard 2PL
The trend in the modernization of older vehicles is to install a separate power supply (the APU). Very good solution when stationary tank, when the work equipment will not need to be powered by the engine. Leopards will also receive new sensors and explosion-proof bottle with a mixture of fire fighting.
It's probably a nod to the use of cars in asymmetric conflicts. Protection will boost the bottom of the hull by installing additional armor plates.
Enhanced variant called Leopard 2PL+
Extended variant of modernization, in addition to the above would assume adding a few more items.
Leopards 2GB + (+ - this is our addition) would receive a system of internal communication and contact with the environment (indicated by the Fonet), the management system battlefield, remote-controlled firing position FLW 200 production KMW and new, more efficient cooling system blocks of electronics and improves the comfort of the service the air conditioning system .
A little surprising that only at this stage is planned to introduce a modern cannon ammunition, both combat and education.
Minister Siemoniak in response to questions about the future of the Polish armored highlighted the need to implement such a program in our zbrojeniówce. The game can probably only come Bumar. Recently the press reported that it may amount to PLN 150 million, which seems low compared to the amount of the renewal of fighting efficiency of 40 Hard for 106 million PLN. Fortunately, we also need not weigh in this case the open door, a few such projects have been implemented and the partners to work with us will surely find a western border neighborhood.
http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fdziennikzbrojny.pl%2Fartykuly%2Fart%2C5%2C19%2C1243%2Cwojska-ladowe%2Cczolgi%2Cnowe-szaty-polskich-leopardow
PJ85
Eversti
CV90 puolesta puhuu myös se, että vaunulla on suht laaja käyttäjäkunta, ja se on ollut käytössä pitkään. Vaunusta on valmiina myös kuljetus, tulenjohto, evakuointi ja komentoversiot sekä kohta tulossa myös sairaankuljetus sekä pioneeriversiot. Näiden avulla panssariprikaatin saisi kolmen alustan varaan (Leo 2, CV90 ja Pzh 2000)