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Google :a-cool:
http://translate.google.fi/translate?hl=fi&sl=ru&u=http://www.btvt.narod.ru/3/t-95.html&ei=JkKETZGyH4KBOtuGmfAI&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCUQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dhttp://btvt.narod.ru/3/t-95.html%26hl%3Dfi%26prmd%3Divns
Ei ainakaan osunut silmiin mainintaa tässä ketjussa:
"Gaza: IDF tank-shield intercepts missile
'Windbreaker' defense system intercepts missile fire on Merkava 4 tank; IDF responds with artillery fire; Palestinian injured. Hamas: Reaction will be severe if attacks on Gaza continue "
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4044891,00.html
Eli ilmeisesti TROPHY on saanut tulikasteensa ja josseivät nyt ihan shaibaa jauha, niin näyttäisi toimivan!! Alkaa siinä olla paleilla pasmat sekaisin, kuten tuossa lainauksessakin näkyy. Vaikea uhota uskottavasti, kun uhon välineenä on lähinnä potenssinsa menettänyt löysähkö muna känsäisessä kourassa :a-laugh:
"Gaza: IDF tank-shield intercepts missile
'Windbreaker' defense system intercepts missile fire on Merkava 4 tank; IDF responds with artillery fire; Palestinian injured. Hamas: Reaction will be severe if attacks on Gaza continue "
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4044891,00.html
Eli ilmeisesti TROPHY on saanut tulikasteensa ja josseivät nyt ihan shaibaa jauha, niin näyttäisi toimivan!! Alkaa siinä olla paleilla pasmat sekaisin, kuten tuossa lainauksessakin näkyy. Vaikea uhota uskottavasti, kun uhon välineenä on lähinnä potenssinsa menettänyt löysähkö muna känsäisessä kourassa :a-laugh:
http://gyllenhaals.blogspot.com/2011/03/leopard-chanslos-mot-t-90.html
Venäläiset sanoo että T-90 on parempi kun leopard 2
Enligt Rysslands statliga nyhetsbyrå visar jämförande prov i Saudiarabien och matematiska beräkningar att "Leopard är chanslös mot T-90". Dessa ord är inslagets slutkläm.
Venäläiset sanoo että T-90 on parempi kun leopard 2
Enligt Rysslands statliga nyhetsbyrå visar jämförande prov i Saudiarabien och matematiska beräkningar att "Leopard är chanslös mot T-90". Dessa ord är inslagets slutkläm.
Vad jag uppfattade så hade de med MATEMATISKA MODELLER jämfört T-90 med Leopard 2A6, dvs en Leopard 2 med extrapansar på tornfront och främre sidor, men inget extra skydd på chassi eller torntak. Leopard 2A6 har även ett längre eldrör jämfört med t.ex Strv 122 eller Leopard 2A5, vilket ger ökat genomslag/räckvidd.
Bägge vagnarna har stabiliserade kanoner som kan skjuta under gång med tillräckligt hög träffchans, bägge vagnarna kan förflytta sig med tillräcklig hastighet, bägge har mörkersikte. Det ena är tyskt, det andra är licenstillverkat franskt.
Bägge går att få med olika typer av avancerade sensorsystem.
Bägge skjuter pilprojektiler - vet dock inte hur bra pilen är på ryssen. Drar mig till minnes att längden är begränsad pga laddautomaten.
Ryssen har automatladdare, Tysken har en 20-åring. Bägge är initialt ungefär lika snabba. 20-åringen kroknar dock fortare. Men verkligheten brukar inte vara samma typ av "fragfest" som Battlefield 1942 bjuder på. Laddautomaten är däremot kass på att knacka band, göra vapenvård, ta postpass och berätta bra vitsar.
Ryssen skjuter eldrörsrobotar. Tysken kanske kan det om man köper Lahat av Israel?
Bägge vagnarna har svetsade torn med kompositpansar, tilläggsmoduler och kan får med aktiva system.
Tysken har ju ammunitionslagringen i tornet separerad från besättningen med pansardörr, Automatladdaren hos Ryssen lagrar alla ammunition under tornringen, förutom de undantag jag beskrev tidigare i tråden
What I understood they had with mathematical models, compared with T-90 Leopard 2A6, which is a Leopard 2 with extra armor on the turret front and front pages, but no extra protection on the chassis or torntak. Leopard 2A6 also has a longer barrel, compared with such Strv 122 or Leopard 2A5, resulting in increased penetration / reach
Both coaches have stabilized guns that can shoot over time with a sufficiently high hit chance, both cars can move with sufficient speed, both have night-vision scope. One is German, the other is licensed manufactured French.
Both are available with different types of advanced sensor systems.
Both shoot flechette projectile - do not know how good arrow is on the Russians. Draws me to remember that the length is limited by charge except General.
The Russians have an automatic charger, German has a 20-year-old. Both are initially about as fast. 20-year-old bend more easily. But the reality is not usually the same type of "fragfest" as Battlefield 1942 offers. Charge Except Athens, however, rejected the tapping band, weapons care, to post passport and tell good jokes.
Russians shoot eldrörsrobotar. German maybe it can if you buy Lahat of Israel?
Both cars have been welded tower with composite armor, add-on modules and can get with active systems.
German've ammunition storage in a tower separate from the crew with armored door, automatic charger with the Russians will store all munitions during the tourney, except for the exceptions that I described earlier in the thread
Bägge vagnarna har stabiliserade kanoner som kan skjuta under gång med tillräckligt hög träffchans, bägge vagnarna kan förflytta sig med tillräcklig hastighet, bägge har mörkersikte. Det ena är tyskt, det andra är licenstillverkat franskt.
Bägge går att få med olika typer av avancerade sensorsystem.
Bägge skjuter pilprojektiler - vet dock inte hur bra pilen är på ryssen. Drar mig till minnes att längden är begränsad pga laddautomaten.
Ryssen har automatladdare, Tysken har en 20-åring. Bägge är initialt ungefär lika snabba. 20-åringen kroknar dock fortare. Men verkligheten brukar inte vara samma typ av "fragfest" som Battlefield 1942 bjuder på. Laddautomaten är däremot kass på att knacka band, göra vapenvård, ta postpass och berätta bra vitsar.
Ryssen skjuter eldrörsrobotar. Tysken kanske kan det om man köper Lahat av Israel?
Bägge vagnarna har svetsade torn med kompositpansar, tilläggsmoduler och kan får med aktiva system.
Tysken har ju ammunitionslagringen i tornet separerad från besättningen med pansardörr, Automatladdaren hos Ryssen lagrar alla ammunition under tornringen, förutom de undantag jag beskrev tidigare i tråden
What I understood they had with mathematical models, compared with T-90 Leopard 2A6, which is a Leopard 2 with extra armor on the turret front and front pages, but no extra protection on the chassis or torntak. Leopard 2A6 also has a longer barrel, compared with such Strv 122 or Leopard 2A5, resulting in increased penetration / reach
Both coaches have stabilized guns that can shoot over time with a sufficiently high hit chance, both cars can move with sufficient speed, both have night-vision scope. One is German, the other is licensed manufactured French.
Both are available with different types of advanced sensor systems.
Both shoot flechette projectile - do not know how good arrow is on the Russians. Draws me to remember that the length is limited by charge except General.
The Russians have an automatic charger, German has a 20-year-old. Both are initially about as fast. 20-year-old bend more easily. But the reality is not usually the same type of "fragfest" as Battlefield 1942 offers. Charge Except Athens, however, rejected the tapping band, weapons care, to post passport and tell good jokes.
Russians shoot eldrörsrobotar. German maybe it can if you buy Lahat of Israel?
Both cars have been welded tower with composite armor, add-on modules and can get with active systems.
German've ammunition storage in a tower separate from the crew with armored door, automatic charger with the Russians will store all munitions during the tourney, except for the exceptions that I described earlier in the thread
T-80U and T-90 trials
http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/TRIALS/19991020.html
20.10.1999 T-80U and T-90 Protection Trials
On October 20, 1999 extensive trials of T-80U and T-90 protection from various types of threats were conducted at TsNIIO 643a Testing Grounds. The tests involved firing large amounts of ordnance (including several versions of RPG ATGL, light and heavy ATGMs, and APFSDS rounds) at frontal projections of T-80U and T-90 MBTs both protected with Kontakt-V ERA and stripped of it.
T-80U and T-90 MBTs were represented by 3 vehicles each, one with Kontakt-V ERA, one with removed explosive packages and one reserve vehicle. For the ERA part of trials, knocked-out ERA packages were replaced after each shot.
One more T-80U MBT was used for special trials that focused on testing of Shtora-1 EOCMDAS.
The following weapons were used:
Infantry ATGLs (fired at a distance of 40m)
RPG-7 (using advanced 105mm grenade PG-7VR with a tandem warhead, pen. 650mm RHA)
RPG-26 (disposable launcher, pen. >500mm RHA)
RPG-29 (advanced 105mm launcher, pen. 750mm RHA)
ATGMs (fired at a distance of 600m)
Malyutka-2 (pen. >600mm RHA)
Metis (pen. 460mm RHA)
Konkurs (pen. 650mm RHA)
Kornet (pen. >850mm RHA)
APFSDS (fired from T-80U MBT at a distance of 1,500m, the most likely round is 3BM42)
Each weapon was fired 5 times at each target, for a total of 20 shots per weapon. The total number of shots fired during the trials thus exceeded 150.
The trials yielded the following outcome:
ATGLs
T-90: RPG-29 produced a total of 3 penetrations.
No other RPG rounds could penetrate even the stripped target.
T-80U: RPG-29 penetrated 3 times with ERA, all 5 times without ERA.
Of all other grenades, one PG-7VR penetrated the stripped target.
ATGMs
T-90: No ATGMs could penetrate the ERA-equipped target. One Kornet ATGM penetrated the stripped target.
T-80U: 2 Kornet ATGMs penetrated the ERA-equipped target, all 5 penetrated the stripped target.
No other ATGMs could penetrate.
APFSDS
T-90: ERA-equipped target could not be penetrated. Furthermore, after firing the crew entered the vehicle, activated it and was able to execute the firing sequence.
Without ERA, one round penetrated.
T-80U (data available only for stripped target): One round almost penetrated (3mm hole in the inner lining, no visible equipment damage); two penetrated to 1/2 thickness; one missed the target completely; one hit the gun.
The following pictures show the locations of impacts by ATGL RPG-29 (in red) and ATGM Kornet (in black) against ERA-equipped vehicles. Which of these hits penetrated was not disclosed.
Shtora-1 Trials
10 Kornet ATGMs with removed warheads were fired at a tank with a crew. 4 ATGMs hit the tank, the other 6 deviated to the left of the target in the middle of the flight.
Conclusions (VF)
RPG-29 proved to be by far the most potent weapon among those used. As powerful as heavy ATGM Kornet, it appeared to assure the frontal penetration of T-80U even for the squad-level firepower. Even though T-90 fared better, it is still not immune to it. Considering sufficient proliferation of this weapon and the fact that this is still a fairly light infantry weapon, it is the most dangerous adversary of modern Russian MBTs, and is a very disturbing development.
Original reports that ATGM Kornet performance is severely degraded by ERA due to its peculiar order of internal components proved true as the ATGM with at least 100mm higher penetrating potential was not superior to a much lighter RPG-29.
Report of Shtora-1 EOCMDAS trials is confusing. Being laser-guided, ATGM Kornet should not suffer any interference from Shtora as it only affects IR SACLOS ATGMs. Furthermore, ATGMs can only deviate to the left if the marker is set to the left of both emitters, which is hardly likely. It is possible, however unlikely, that it was caused by a sloppy work of removal the warhead which e.g. could cause a gyro cofusion
http://fofanov.armor.kiev.ua/Tanks/TRIALS/19991020.html
20.10.1999 T-80U and T-90 Protection Trials
On October 20, 1999 extensive trials of T-80U and T-90 protection from various types of threats were conducted at TsNIIO 643a Testing Grounds. The tests involved firing large amounts of ordnance (including several versions of RPG ATGL, light and heavy ATGMs, and APFSDS rounds) at frontal projections of T-80U and T-90 MBTs both protected with Kontakt-V ERA and stripped of it.
T-80U and T-90 MBTs were represented by 3 vehicles each, one with Kontakt-V ERA, one with removed explosive packages and one reserve vehicle. For the ERA part of trials, knocked-out ERA packages were replaced after each shot.
One more T-80U MBT was used for special trials that focused on testing of Shtora-1 EOCMDAS.
The following weapons were used:
Infantry ATGLs (fired at a distance of 40m)
RPG-7 (using advanced 105mm grenade PG-7VR with a tandem warhead, pen. 650mm RHA)
RPG-26 (disposable launcher, pen. >500mm RHA)
RPG-29 (advanced 105mm launcher, pen. 750mm RHA)
ATGMs (fired at a distance of 600m)
Malyutka-2 (pen. >600mm RHA)
Metis (pen. 460mm RHA)
Konkurs (pen. 650mm RHA)
Kornet (pen. >850mm RHA)
APFSDS (fired from T-80U MBT at a distance of 1,500m, the most likely round is 3BM42)
Each weapon was fired 5 times at each target, for a total of 20 shots per weapon. The total number of shots fired during the trials thus exceeded 150.
The trials yielded the following outcome:
ATGLs
T-90: RPG-29 produced a total of 3 penetrations.
No other RPG rounds could penetrate even the stripped target.
T-80U: RPG-29 penetrated 3 times with ERA, all 5 times without ERA.
Of all other grenades, one PG-7VR penetrated the stripped target.
ATGMs
T-90: No ATGMs could penetrate the ERA-equipped target. One Kornet ATGM penetrated the stripped target.
T-80U: 2 Kornet ATGMs penetrated the ERA-equipped target, all 5 penetrated the stripped target.
No other ATGMs could penetrate.
APFSDS
T-90: ERA-equipped target could not be penetrated. Furthermore, after firing the crew entered the vehicle, activated it and was able to execute the firing sequence.
Without ERA, one round penetrated.
T-80U (data available only for stripped target): One round almost penetrated (3mm hole in the inner lining, no visible equipment damage); two penetrated to 1/2 thickness; one missed the target completely; one hit the gun.
The following pictures show the locations of impacts by ATGL RPG-29 (in red) and ATGM Kornet (in black) against ERA-equipped vehicles. Which of these hits penetrated was not disclosed.
Shtora-1 Trials
10 Kornet ATGMs with removed warheads were fired at a tank with a crew. 4 ATGMs hit the tank, the other 6 deviated to the left of the target in the middle of the flight.
Conclusions (VF)
RPG-29 proved to be by far the most potent weapon among those used. As powerful as heavy ATGM Kornet, it appeared to assure the frontal penetration of T-80U even for the squad-level firepower. Even though T-90 fared better, it is still not immune to it. Considering sufficient proliferation of this weapon and the fact that this is still a fairly light infantry weapon, it is the most dangerous adversary of modern Russian MBTs, and is a very disturbing development.
Original reports that ATGM Kornet performance is severely degraded by ERA due to its peculiar order of internal components proved true as the ATGM with at least 100mm higher penetrating potential was not superior to a much lighter RPG-29.
Report of Shtora-1 EOCMDAS trials is confusing. Being laser-guided, ATGM Kornet should not suffer any interference from Shtora as it only affects IR SACLOS ATGMs. Furthermore, ATGMs can only deviate to the left if the marker is set to the left of both emitters, which is hardly likely. It is possible, however unlikely, that it was caused by a sloppy work of removal the warhead which e.g. could cause a gyro cofusion
