ak.tied
Greatest Leader
Saattaa olla että ei latenssit riitä tarkkaan ohjaamisen noin monen linkin kautta vaadittavilla lentonopeuksilla. Kopterin nopeus voi myös olla fpv dronelle yksinkertaisesti liikaa.
Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Tiedustelija
Luutnantti
Hyvin mahdollista. Kait tällaista olisi muuten yritetty? Mutta jos yhteydet vaan pelaisi niin eikös se nopeus kuitenkin riittäisi jos kopteri leijuu lähes paikallaan.
Luulen kuitenkin että saavat pian ratkaistua tuon kopteri ongelman. Niin lähelle kuitenkin pääsevät ja kopteri on helppo maali.
ak.tied
Greatest Leader
Jos kopteri on lähes paikallaan niin joo, mutta jos kopteri oletettavasti havaitsisi dronen, se pyrkisi varmasti täydellä nopeudella karkuun. Dronen pitäisi pystyä yllättämään kopteri ja sen pitäisi olla varsin nopea.
Meridroneissa on nähty infrapunaohjuksia, mutta ensimmäinen laukaisu ja/tai pudotus antaa odottaa itseään. Ilmeisesti ongelmaton ratkaisu sekään ei ole. Kun toimiva ratkaisu löytyy niin voisi kuvitella, että räjähdedroneilla alkaa näkyä saattajadroneja koptereiden varalle.
Suomi ei ole lähettäny pelkästään vanhaa romua, vaan jopa ihan uusinta uutta ja kehitysvaiheissa olevaa kamaa Ukrainaan, hyvä niin.
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Aseet | Ukraina on toiminut testikenttänä Suomen puolustusteollisuuden innovaatioille, kertoo sotatalouspäällikkö
Kenraaliluutnantti Mikko Heiskasen mukaan Ukrainan avustamista olisi varaa lisätä, jos vain rahoitusta löytyy.
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PEMM
Eversti
Pkm kauko-ohjauksella? Ainakin haittaisi omaa toimintaa, kun kuulaa tulee myös takaisin. Toki se keinuu niin, että tuskin osuu.
ak.tied
Greatest Leader
Aallokossa todella epätarkka ilman vakautusta ja vakautuksen kanssa puhutaan jo aika täysiverisestä rws:stä. Kyllähän se varmasti häiritsisi silti kun sen sattumaosuman mahdollisuus on aina olemassa ja ehkä pakottaisi kopterin pysymään kauempana.
Mutta kuten niissä grad-raketteja ampuneissa meridroneissa nähtiin, niin niiden tarkkuus on aivan onneton. Osa raketeista lähtee todella korkealla lentoradalla ja osa kimposi heti meren pinnasta mihin sattuu. Jotain älyä/automatiikkaa nuo ballistisilla lentoradoilla ampuvat aseet meridroneissa melkein tarvitsisivat.
teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
Jutun ehkä mielenkiintoisin kohta:Suomi ei ole lähettäny pelkästään vanhaa romua, vaan jopa ihan uusinta uutta ja kehitysvaiheissa olevaa kamaa Ukrainaan, hyvä niin.
Aseet | Ukraina on toiminut testikenttänä Suomen puolustusteollisuuden innovaatioille, kertoo sotatalouspäällikkö
Kenraaliluutnantti Mikko Heiskasen mukaan Ukrainan avustamista olisi varaa lisätä, jos vain rahoitusta löytyy.
"Muotoilen asian siten, että me olemme suurin 155 millimetrin ammusten tuottaja Euroopassa"
155mm tuotantoahan on käyty läpi aiemmin Hesaria myöten, eli Nammo tekee kuoret ja Räjähdelaitos täyttää ne. Tuotantokapasiteetti on siis kinni Nammon tuotantokyvystä, kuorien varastosaldosta ja räjähdelaitoksen täyttökyvystä. Jutusta voi päätellä että varastosaldo ja täyttökyky on massiivinen. Suomalaiseen tykistödoktriiniin kuuluu massiivinen tulenkäyttö joten ei liene yllätys että myös sitä murkulan tuotantokapasiteettia on sitten sen verran että ryssän ei tänne tartte tulla yrittämään. Ukrainassa nähtävä vuosien massiivinen tykistösota ei tainnut tulla Suomen sotilasjohdolle yllätyksenä, eiköhän tämä ryssän toiminnan lähtökohta ole ollut tiedossa.
No ollaan tyytyväisiä siihen että verovaroin hankittu kranaattien kuorivarasto menee nyt hyvään hyötykäyttöön ja tuottaa massiivisesti niitä parempia ryssiä.
skärdis
Greatest Leader
Ei räjäytetä Hukkakerossa vaan käytetään siihen mihin on tarkoitettukin eli ammutaan ryssän niskaan.
YliKoo
Greatest Leader
Jos on räjähdelastissa ja mekaaninen sytytin, riittänee, kun pääsee roottorin yläpuolelle, joka imaisee sen lapoihin. Riittääkö räjähde rikkomaan lavan, en tiedä.
VanhaPate
Respected Leader
Operational information as of 11:00 a.m. 06/08/2024 regarding the Russian invasion
Glory to Ukraine!
Eight hundred and thirty-sixth day of large-scale armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine.
On the night of June 8, 2024, the Russian occupiers attacked with a Kh-59 guided air missile from the Kursk region (Russian Federation), launched 13 "Shahed" type attack UAVs from the Kursk region (Russian Federation) and Cape Chauda (TOT of Ukrainian Crimea). As a result of the combat operation, nine "Shaheed" and one X-59 squadron were eliminated in the Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhya, Poltava, and Dnipropetrovsk regions by the calculations of the mobile fire groups of the Defense Forces of Ukraine and the EW means of the Air Force.
During the past 24 hours, 101 combat clashes took place.
In general, during the past day, the Russian invaders launched three missile and 101 air strikes on the positions of our troops and populated areas (in particular, using seven missiles and 70 anti-aircraft missiles), carried out more than 3,500 attacks from various types of weapons, 89 of them from rockets salvo fire systems.
The Air Force and missile troops and artillery of the Defense Forces of Ukraine hit 16 personnel gathering places, an electronic warfare station, an ammunition depot, a military equipment concentration area, and two control points.
Last day, the total losses of the Russian invaders amounted to 1,210 people. Also, the enemy lost nine tanks, nine armored fighting vehicles, 36 artillery systems, 59 BpLA operational-tactical level, an air defense vehicle, seven missiles, 68 vehicles and ten units of special equipment.
Since the beginning of this day, 34 combat clashes have already taken place. The Russian invaders carried out 12 airstrikes with sixteen guided air bombs and 513 attacks on the positions of our troops and populated areas.
In the Kharkiv direction, three attacks by the occupiers are currently underway in the Vovchansk region. The situation is under control. Last day, the invaders lost 136 people on the way. Five artillery systems, seven vehicles and a unit of special equipment were destroyed. 36 enemy personnel shelters and one ammunition warehouse were hit.
The situation is tense in the Kupyansk direction. Since the beginning of the day, there have already been three combat clashes. In the area of Makiivka, the attack was repulsed, and two attacks continue near Grekivka and Nevsky.
In the Lyman direction, a battle takes place near Terni, without success for the enemy.
In the Siversky direction, five attempts of the occupiers to advance in the areas of Bilogorivka, Rozdolivka, and Vyimka were repulsed.
In the Kramatorsk direction, since the beginning of the day, two enemy assaults have been repulsed in the Ivanivskyi and Andriivka districts.
In the Pokrovsky direction, Ukrainian defenders are taking measures to prevent Russian troops from advancing deep into Ukrainian territory. The enemy continues to try to break through our defenses in the areas of Novooleksandrivka, Sokol and Novopokrovsky. Today there have already been 10 clashes. Four attacks were repulsed. Five more - ongoing. The situation is under the control of the Defense Forces of Ukraine.
According to detailed information, in the Pokrovsky direction, yesterday the enemy lost 261 occupiers killed and wounded, three armored fighting vehicles, three cannons and mortars, six cars and a unit of special equipment were destroyed.
In the Kurakhiv direction, the enemy twice launched assault operations near Paraskoviyvka. One attack was successfully repelled. The battle continues.
In the Orihiv direction, the Russian aggressor made one unsuccessful attempt to improve the tactical position in the Novoprokopivka area.
In the Dnieper direction, the occupiers once tried to push back our defenders in the Krynyk area. Loss of positions is not allowed.
In the rest of the directions, the situation did not undergo significant changes
The Defense Forces of Ukraine are taking all necessary measures to deter the enemy's offensive, exhaust its combat potential, and stabilize the situation.
We will win in unity!
Glory to Ukraine!
t.me
Glory to Ukraine!
Eight hundred and thirty-sixth day of large-scale armed aggression of the Russian Federation against Ukraine.
On the night of June 8, 2024, the Russian occupiers attacked with a Kh-59 guided air missile from the Kursk region (Russian Federation), launched 13 "Shahed" type attack UAVs from the Kursk region (Russian Federation) and Cape Chauda (TOT of Ukrainian Crimea). As a result of the combat operation, nine "Shaheed" and one X-59 squadron were eliminated in the Kharkiv, Zaporizhzhya, Poltava, and Dnipropetrovsk regions by the calculations of the mobile fire groups of the Defense Forces of Ukraine and the EW means of the Air Force.
During the past 24 hours, 101 combat clashes took place.
In general, during the past day, the Russian invaders launched three missile and 101 air strikes on the positions of our troops and populated areas (in particular, using seven missiles and 70 anti-aircraft missiles), carried out more than 3,500 attacks from various types of weapons, 89 of them from rockets salvo fire systems.
The Air Force and missile troops and artillery of the Defense Forces of Ukraine hit 16 personnel gathering places, an electronic warfare station, an ammunition depot, a military equipment concentration area, and two control points.
Last day, the total losses of the Russian invaders amounted to 1,210 people. Also, the enemy lost nine tanks, nine armored fighting vehicles, 36 artillery systems, 59 BpLA operational-tactical level, an air defense vehicle, seven missiles, 68 vehicles and ten units of special equipment.
Since the beginning of this day, 34 combat clashes have already taken place. The Russian invaders carried out 12 airstrikes with sixteen guided air bombs and 513 attacks on the positions of our troops and populated areas.
In the Kharkiv direction, three attacks by the occupiers are currently underway in the Vovchansk region. The situation is under control. Last day, the invaders lost 136 people on the way. Five artillery systems, seven vehicles and a unit of special equipment were destroyed. 36 enemy personnel shelters and one ammunition warehouse were hit.
The situation is tense in the Kupyansk direction. Since the beginning of the day, there have already been three combat clashes. In the area of Makiivka, the attack was repulsed, and two attacks continue near Grekivka and Nevsky.
In the Lyman direction, a battle takes place near Terni, without success for the enemy.
In the Siversky direction, five attempts of the occupiers to advance in the areas of Bilogorivka, Rozdolivka, and Vyimka were repulsed.
In the Kramatorsk direction, since the beginning of the day, two enemy assaults have been repulsed in the Ivanivskyi and Andriivka districts.
In the Pokrovsky direction, Ukrainian defenders are taking measures to prevent Russian troops from advancing deep into Ukrainian territory. The enemy continues to try to break through our defenses in the areas of Novooleksandrivka, Sokol and Novopokrovsky. Today there have already been 10 clashes. Four attacks were repulsed. Five more - ongoing. The situation is under the control of the Defense Forces of Ukraine.
According to detailed information, in the Pokrovsky direction, yesterday the enemy lost 261 occupiers killed and wounded, three armored fighting vehicles, three cannons and mortars, six cars and a unit of special equipment were destroyed.
In the Kurakhiv direction, the enemy twice launched assault operations near Paraskoviyvka. One attack was successfully repelled. The battle continues.
In the Orihiv direction, the Russian aggressor made one unsuccessful attempt to improve the tactical position in the Novoprokopivka area.
In the Dnieper direction, the occupiers once tried to push back our defenders in the Krynyk area. Loss of positions is not allowed.
In the rest of the directions, the situation did not undergo significant changes
The Defense Forces of Ukraine are taking all necessary measures to deter the enemy's offensive, exhaust its combat potential, and stabilize the situation.
We will win in unity!
Glory to Ukraine!
Генеральний штаб ЗСУ
Оперативна інформація станом на 11.00 08.06.2024 щодо російського вторгнення Слава Україні! Вісімсот тридцять шоста доба широкомасштабної збройної агресії російської федерації проти України. У ніч на 8 червня 2024 року російські окупанти атакували керованою авіаційною ракетою Х-59 із...
t.me
Antares
Respected Leader
Yak-52 torjuntatehtävissä (?), tällä kertaa Mykolaiv alueen yllä.
Aikaisemmin nähtiin yksi video, jossa väitetysti tällainen potkurikone oli ollut osallisena tiedusteludronen pudotuksessa Odessan seudulla. Koska se jäi ainoaksi, mietin, mahtoiko olla harvinainen yksittäistapaus - ehkä jopa jonkin siviilin tai paikallisen komentajan keksintö / kokeilu.
Koska tämä on toinen julki tullut tapaus, on mahdollista että tätä harjoitetaan enemmänkin, tosin ei tietoa onko kyseessä sama kone ja siten ainoa laatuaan vai onko näitä useampia:
Yak-52 in the lens of the Russian UAV Zala over Mykolaiv region.
The board (tarkoitettaneen plane) is used to intercept drones.
Previously spotted in Odesa region.
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Alexander Kovalenko kirjoittaa tästä kuvasta näin, ja yleisemmin potkurikoneiden käytöstä dronejen metsästyksessä:
The Russian occupiers published a video from the ZALA reconnaissance UAV, which our pilots used to practice.
As previously reported, according to Russian reconnaissance UAVs "Orlan-10", ZALA, Supercam and others, piston Yak-52s are operating in the Odessa region.
Taking into account the fact that the Yak-52 itself does not have the ability to carry full-fledged weapons to destroy air targets, the functions of the gunner are performed by a passenger in the place of the instructor pilot.
The efficiency of this crew is extremely high and the ROV even went on a hunt for the pilot and gunner, as well as the board itself. Several strikes on Odessa were carried out with the aim of destroying this particular aircraft and its pilot. And to be completely honest, let’s open the cards, this concept of “hunters” for UAVs has been being developed since 2022, and since I knew it for a long time, I regularly advocated for replenishing the aircraft fleet of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with something more serious than the piston Yak-52, for example, the same turbo-prop SuperTucano and the like...
But... so far the response has been silence from all authorities.
Separately, I would like to note that this concept, the destruction of reconnaissance UAVs through light aircraft, is effective in a number of regions and regional centers, for example, in the Dnieper. But in Dnieper, despite all the available opportunities, it has not been realized.
And therefore, Dneprians, when something ballistic comes at you, thanks to the guidance of the Orlan-10 UAV, don’t whine, but ask why you don’t have piston engines or turboprop hunters in the airspace and what your “outstanding” pilots are doing at this time ? Oh, yes, some earn money, forgetting about the city, while others are self-conscious, at the mere thought that they will need to make a combat mission without “combat” payments.
Aikaisemmin nähtiin yksi video, jossa väitetysti tällainen potkurikone oli ollut osallisena tiedusteludronen pudotuksessa Odessan seudulla. Koska se jäi ainoaksi, mietin, mahtoiko olla harvinainen yksittäistapaus - ehkä jopa jonkin siviilin tai paikallisen komentajan keksintö / kokeilu.
Koska tämä on toinen julki tullut tapaus, on mahdollista että tätä harjoitetaan enemmänkin, tosin ei tietoa onko kyseessä sama kone ja siten ainoa laatuaan vai onko näitä useampia:
Yak-52 in the lens of the Russian UAV Zala over Mykolaiv region.
The board (tarkoitettaneen plane) is used to intercept drones.
Previously spotted in Odesa region.
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Alexander Kovalenko kirjoittaa tästä kuvasta näin, ja yleisemmin potkurikoneiden käytöstä dronejen metsästyksessä:
The Russian occupiers published a video from the ZALA reconnaissance UAV, which our pilots used to practice.
As previously reported, according to Russian reconnaissance UAVs "Orlan-10", ZALA, Supercam and others, piston Yak-52s are operating in the Odessa region.
Taking into account the fact that the Yak-52 itself does not have the ability to carry full-fledged weapons to destroy air targets, the functions of the gunner are performed by a passenger in the place of the instructor pilot.
The efficiency of this crew is extremely high and the ROV even went on a hunt for the pilot and gunner, as well as the board itself. Several strikes on Odessa were carried out with the aim of destroying this particular aircraft and its pilot. And to be completely honest, let’s open the cards, this concept of “hunters” for UAVs has been being developed since 2022, and since I knew it for a long time, I regularly advocated for replenishing the aircraft fleet of the Ukrainian Armed Forces with something more serious than the piston Yak-52, for example, the same turbo-prop SuperTucano and the like...
But... so far the response has been silence from all authorities.
Separately, I would like to note that this concept, the destruction of reconnaissance UAVs through light aircraft, is effective in a number of regions and regional centers, for example, in the Dnieper. But in Dnieper, despite all the available opportunities, it has not been realized.
And therefore, Dneprians, when something ballistic comes at you, thanks to the guidance of the Orlan-10 UAV, don’t whine, but ask why you don’t have piston engines or turboprop hunters in the airspace and what your “outstanding” pilots are doing at this time ? Oh, yes, some earn money, forgetting about the city, while others are self-conscious, at the mere thought that they will need to make a combat mission without “combat” payments.
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Harvapartio
Eversti
Artikkelista:
Ukrainan sota on toiminut testikenttänä Suomen puolustusteollisuuden innovaatioille, kertoo Puolustusvoimien sotatalouspäällikkö STT:lle
Suomi on johdonmukaisesti kieltäytynyt kertomasta Ukrainalle antamansa sotilaallisen avun sisällöstä. Puolustusvoimain sotatalouspäällikkö Mikko Heiskanen kuitenkin raottaa STT:n haastattelussa verhoa sen verran, ettei kyse ole ollut vain varastossa olevasta vanhasta kalustosta.Asia nousee...www.sss.fi
"Lännen sotilaallisessa tuessa Ukrainalle on puhuttu ehkä eniten tykistöammusten, erityisesti 155 millimetrin kranaattien loputtomalta vaikuttavasta tarpeesta. Heiskasen vastaus Suomen mahdollisuuksista tässä suhteessa alkaa jälleen toteamuksella, ettei Suomi kerro apunsa sisällöstä.
– Muotoilen asian siten, että me olemme suurin 155 millimetrin ammusten tuottaja Euroopassa. Eli jos poliitikot päättävät niitä viedä Ukrainaan, niin kyllä niitä varmaan on sinne jonkun verran vietävissä, Heiskanen sanoo."
Olikos esim. Rheinmetallin kapasiteetti nyt yli puoli miljoonaa murkulaa vuodessa.
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Antares
Respected Leader
Tämän perusteella ainakin yksi Mozdok-sotilaslentokentälle lentäneistä droneista (TASS kirjoitti kolmesta) ylsi kentälle asti, vaan osuttiinko mihinkään? Rakennuksen takaa nousee savupatsas vaan mikä palaa (jos mikään)?
At least one Ukrainian attack drone successfully hit Russia's Mozdok Airbase this morning, impacting the eastern end of the airfield.
Mozdok is home to a number of Russian Air Force Tu-22M3 strategic bombers.
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POV (43.774364, 44.619544)
Possible aircraft revetment hit at (43.782396, 44.616776)
Source- https://t.me/operativnoZSU/147994
At least one Ukrainian attack drone successfully hit Russia's Mozdok Airbase this morning, impacting the eastern end of the airfield.
Mozdok is home to a number of Russian Air Force Tu-22M3 strategic bombers.
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POV (43.774364, 44.619544)
Possible aircraft revetment hit at (43.782396, 44.616776)
Source- https://t.me/operativnoZSU/147994
Antares
Respected Leader
Tässä vielä pari paikannusta Mozdok-kentälle lentäneen dronen osalta:
Update: Not Dagestan, but North Ossetia again. UAVs strike Mozdok airfield!
The map shows the location from where the attack was conducted.
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Vaikea sanoa videon perusteella, mihin dronella on tähdätty, mutta lähiseudulla sijaitsee tosiaan vallitettuja "parkkipaikkoja" joissa säilytetään / on säilytetty Tu-22M3 pommikoneita - alla oleva satelliittikuva on otettu huhtikuussa 2024 eli noin kaksi kuukautta sitten:
The revetments targeted hold a mix of decoy and real Russian Tu-22s, as seen in this April investigation by the Kyiv Post
https://kyivpost.com/analysis/31900
Update: Not Dagestan, but North Ossetia again. UAVs strike Mozdok airfield!
The map shows the location from where the attack was conducted.
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Vaikea sanoa videon perusteella, mihin dronella on tähdätty, mutta lähiseudulla sijaitsee tosiaan vallitettuja "parkkipaikkoja" joissa säilytetään / on säilytetty Tu-22M3 pommikoneita - alla oleva satelliittikuva on otettu huhtikuussa 2024 eli noin kaksi kuukautta sitten:
The revetments targeted hold a mix of decoy and real Russian Tu-22s, as seen in this April investigation by the Kyiv Post
https://kyivpost.com/analysis/31900