'Russia steering unrest in Ukraine'
Ohessa saksalaisen DW:n sivuilta löytynyt Kyryl Savin'in haastattelu (03.05.2014). Hän on Heinrich Böll Foundation'in Kiovan johtaja ja on toiminut mm. Saksan Kiovan lähetystön palveluksessa.
En jaksa tuota sen enempää kääntää, mutta samaa hän sanoo, mitä täällä ollaan aprikoitu eli:
- Putin/Venäjä on lähettänyt n. 200 agenttiaan/sabotööriään Itä-Ukrainaan
- heidän tehtävänään on lietsoa epäjärjestystä ja vihaa Kiovan hallintoa kohtaan
- mukaan on sitten houkuteltu paikallisia rikollisia ja fanaattisia pro-venäläisiä aktivisteja
- ilman näitä toimenpiteitä Itä-Ukrainassa ei olisi levottomuuksia, vaan väestö olisi hiljaisesti tyytymätön Kiovan hallintoon
What influence does Putin have on the separatists?
According to knowledge here in Ukraine, Putin is steering the whole thing. This force consists of Russian secret service agents and saboteurs who have been specially trained and who have crossed the border with their weapons. But they are not many, maybe 200 in total. They are controlled and coordinated by the Kremlin.
But they are not alone. There are also local criminals who would take part in anything - be it for money, or out of conviction, or both. And then there is a group of local fanatic pro-Russian activists.
How do you know these groups are controlled by Russia?
There is solid evidence, such as dozens of online audio files of tapped talks between separatists and people speaking with Russian voices. For example, members of the Russian secret service give clear orders to separatists in Slovyansk and other cities. There is also video of conversations with Russian saboteurs who are quite well-known and speak very openly.
One thing is absolutely clear to me: If these Russian forces were not present in the area of Donetsk, there would not be such great unrest. People would still silently hate Kyiv because they are very unhappy with the government and because people here have been heavily influenced by Russian propaganda, but there would not be any violence and dead bodies.
Russia's President Vladimir Putin has now demanded another UN Security Council session. What success could such a session achieve, and do you think this is a serious attempt?
Russia is playing a dangerous game. They're trying to portray to the world that what's happening in Ukraine is a civil war, in which Russia is not involved at all, and is simply a very worried bystander: Worried about the Russian-speaking population, worried about its own borders, worried that the conflict might spill over from individual cities, et cetera. That's reportedly the reason why Russian troops have been deployed to Ukraine's border. Russia is trying to reduce the conflict to a fight between Ukraine's east and west; that it's simply people in eastern Ukraine who have felt neglected for so long, and have now decided to stand up and fight for their rights. That's the image Putin likes to convey.
And calling on the Security Council to hold a session is nothing more but part of the show. In my opinion, Russia is looking for reasons to legitimate a possible military operation by Russian troops. [So that Russia] can say at the end: Well, we couldn't do anything else, we had to move in as peacekeepers in order to stop violence from spreading.
At the moment, it doesn't look like Russian troops would come in and seize the land like they did with Crimea. But that also cannot be ruled out.
Kyryl Savin directs the Kyiv office of the Heinrich Böll Foundation , which is associated with the German Green party. Among other things, Savin worked at the German embassy in Kyiv, where he also studied international relations.
http://www.dw.de/russia-steering-unrest-in-ukraine/a-17610894
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