Ukrainan konflikti/sota

Ukrainalta puuttuu aikaa. Aloittivat liikekannallepanon liian myöhään. Joukkojen muodostus, lyhyt koulutus ja aseistaminen ei tapahdu yhdessä yössä. Viikkokin on tuohon lyhyt aika varsinkin kun reservillä tuskin on mitään armeijan koulutuspohjaa taustalla.

Rehellinen fakta on myös tuon aseavun osalta se että nyt siellä alkaa olla ensimmäiset uudet perustetut yksiköt varustettuna. Seuraavaksi ne pitää vielä siirtää johonkin ja saada jotenkin oppimaan toimimista isompana joukkona. Lisäksi ne uudet aseet pitää opetella. Venäläisiä koneita on alkanut tulla tonttiin vasta nyt, kun stingereitä on ensin ihmetelty se viikko.
Unohtuiko tässä se asia, että ukrainalla oli noin 200 tuhatta miestä aseissa ilman liikekannallepanoa?

En halua kuulostaa tylyltä ja en nyt ylipäätään viittaa tällä seuraavalla sinuun tai kehenkään muuhun kirjoittajaan täälä, mutta aika paljon nyt tuntuu löytyvän asiantuntijoita, joiden tietolähteet tuntuvat olevan iltasanomien ja tiktokin tasolla. Mielipiteitä toki maailmaan mahtuu, ja mikä minä olen niitä tuomitsemaan, mutta aika paljon näkyy täysin puppua olevia kirjoituksia, joissa vain yksinkertaistetaan ja yleistetään asioita sekä jätetään huomioimatta se saatavilla oleva vähäinen perustieto.
 
As Russia’s military buildup pressed against Ukraine’s border in late January and early February, Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov celebrated the arrival of weapons from the West, illustrating his near-daily tweets with photographs of smiling men in uniform unloading heavy pallets from cargo aircraft.

“The 8th [American] bird has arrived in Kyiv!” Reznikov exulted on Feb. 5. “Our partners from #USA have sent more than 650 tons of defense ammunition to Ukraine! To be continued.”
The last such message came on Feb. 23, the day before Russia invaded.
There have been no known air deliveries since then. Ukraine’s airspace is now part of a war zone that no Western nation wants to enter, even as the United States and its allies and partners pledge to deliver more weaponry for the fight.

NATO territory to the west — where Ukraine borders Poland, Slovakia, Hungary and Romania — provides the only still-uncontested ground access. But east-west roads that can handle truck transport into Ukraine are few, and most are clogged with refugees fleeing the country.

“There are stockpiles in Poland,” where much of the weaponry coming from outside is being gathered, said Ed Arnold, a research fellow in European security at Britain’s Royal United Services Institute. From there, “there are only two main supply routes to Kyiv,” one near the Belarus border, and a second farther south.
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Internal Ukrainian logistics “have been okay thus far but need to improve rapidly,” Arnold said. “They might have three days of ammunition left in some areas.”

No one wants to say exactly how the military assistance is moving. “It kind of needs to be something that we say that we are doing,” British Armed Forces Minister James Heappey said in a Monday interview with British Forces radio. “We don’t necessarily tell you exactly what, where, when and how.”
Before the invasion began, Britain air-delivered 2,000 NLAW antitank missiles, which combat photographs indicate are now in use by Ukrainian forces. “We’ve actually been flowing more stuff forward, uniforms, protective equipment, some munitions and weaponry,” Heappey said. “We reach a stage now, though, where because combat operations are ongoing, routes for the Ukrainians to get the stuff into the country are much more challenging.”



U.S. defense aid shipment arrives in Ukraine







A $200 million security support package from the United States arrived in Kyiv, the U.S. embassy said on Jan. 22. (Reuters)
At least 22 NATO nations and a handful of others have said they will send military assistance to Ukraine, including antitank missiles, artillery ammunition and Stinger surface-to-air missiles. Last week, the United States announced $350 million in new shipments that it says are already arriving. In the last 10 days, the Biden administration sent Stinger antiaircraft missile systems for the first time, alongside more antitank Javelin missiles and ammunition, according to a detailed list of transfers obtained by The Washington Post.


The shipments came on top of other U.S. military aid that since late December has included M141 single-shot, shoulder-launched rocket launchers, M500 shotguns, Mk-19 grenade launchers, M134 machine guns, and protective suits for explosive ordnance disposal, according to the list.
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Germany, reversing its longtime hesitation to send arms into conflicts, said Saturday that it would send 1,000 antitank weapons and 500 Stingers. They went over the border Wednesday. The European Union agreed this week to reimburse its member states up to $555 million for military and humanitarian aid, a decision that leaders said they hoped would speed the flow of assistance.
The United States is handling much of its own distribution through the U.S. European Command, which is coordinating with NATO, a State Department official said. The European Union has set up a coordination center to try to match what Ukraine says it needs to what member nations can offer. Poland has established a logistics center to collect much of the assistance and spirit it over the border, two E.U. policymakers said.
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The State Department official, one of several U.S. and foreign officials who spoke about the sensitive internal allied discussions on the condition of anonymity, said there was helpful “muscle memory” for assistance from the United States, developed in the eight years since the end of Ukraine’s pro-Russian government.


In addition to drawing on its own weapons stocks, the United States has to approve the transfer of any U.S.-origin equipment from third countries.
“When we get that list of current needs, we’re going through and figuring out: what partners do we know that have U.S. origin equipment to meet the requirement, then reaching out to individual countries and saying ‘Ukrainians are in need of, say, antitank missiles. We know you’ve got 300 of them, do you have any excess. … would you consider transferring them?’ ” the State Department official said.
“It’s a fluid situation, but we’re getting it into a good groove right now,” the official said. But “it would be misleading if I left you with the impression this is a perfectly well-organized operation. … We’ve been at this for a week, with things coming constantly. We’re just working as fast as we can.”
U.S. soldiers near a military camp in Arlamow, Poland, near the border with Ukraine, on March 3. (Wojtek Radwanski/AFP/Getty Images)
Since the attack started last week, 14 countries have sent supplies, a senior U.S. defense official said. On the U.S. side, a handover process that typically takes weeks or months has been compressed to hours and days.


“I think all of us have been tremendously impressed with how effectively the Ukrainian armed forces have been using the equipment that we’ve provided them,” the official said.
Poland declined to elaborate on its role as a principal conduit of weapons aid. “For security reasons, which are obvious at the moment, we cannot inform you about the details,” the Defense Ministry said in a statement.
“Poland, NATO and EU allies are increasing their political and practical support for Ukraine, which is defending itself against a full-scale invasion by Russia,” the statement said. “We are providing massive humanitarian aid, hosting refugees and supplying equipment. In this situation, we must also remember responsibility and information restraint in all defense matters. Poland’s security is paramount.”
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Britain hosted a 25-nation conference this week to discuss and coordinate meeting Ukraine’s needs, Arnold said, but so far, “it’s not a question of overlap. It is a question of volume.” At the moment, he said, the need is for “food, water, ammunition, and then what we refer to as small arms — rifles, ammunition, grenades, especially shoulder antitank and anti-helicopter aircraft missiles. They’re the things that are most effective … they’re quite light, and anyone can use them.”


Some of Ukraine’s asks are more difficult to provide. Despite reports that the United States, or NATO, is considering sending Patriot surface-to-air missile batteries, a U.S. official said that was not likely. “They don’t come flat-packed with an Allen wrench. You need years of training and a whole infrastructure for sustainment,” the State Department official said. “Right now, that’s not an option.”
While the need to aid Ukraine has found rare bipartisan support in Congress, some lawmakers have said the help is too little, too late. House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) — a fierce opponent of impeaching President Donald Trump in 2020 for using withheld military aid as leverage to force Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to dig up dirt on Joe Biden during the presidential campaign — blamed Ukraine’s current needs on the Biden administration.
“The challenge that we have is, it’s the actions that we could have done before from this administration to make sure today wasn’t happening,” McCarthy said Tuesday on Fox News. “We could have supplied the weapons to Ukraine. They’re not asking for American troops; they’re just asking for the ability to fight.”


The aid and how to get it to where it is needed have become sensitive subjects for a NATO alliance that is fearful of getting drawn into a direct confrontation with Russia. Those worries helped persuade Hungary not to allow its border to be used to ship military support to Ukraine.
“Such deliveries might become targets of hostile military action,” Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto said Monday, adding that Hungary is “not sending weapons to Ukraine.”
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NATO’s leadership has repeatedly emphasized that, despite the shipment of weapons, it is not a party to the conflict. “NATO is not going to send the troops into Ukraine or move planes into Ukrainian airspace,” alliance Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg told reporters in Poland.

A senior NATO diplomat said that Stoltenberg was emphasizing NATO’s lack of belligerence under “hot, clear instructions from the U.S. to do so.”

While thousands of U.S. troops have been sent to bolster front-line NATO states, President Biden said in his Tuesday State of the Union address that “our forces are not engaged and will not engage in conflict with Russian forces in Ukraine.”
Inside Ukraine, “right now, they’re getting infiltration routes set up” to transmit weapons, said Arnold of RUSI. He said there are “probably some organized crime elements to support it … this is weapons smuggling, essentially. It happens the world over” by people who “either support the cause or think they can make a lot of money out of it. Conflicts like this suck in all types of people.”
Some policymakers in NATO countries fear that if Russia becomes desperate — whether because of a stalled advance inside Ukraine or from painful Western sanctions — it could lash out at Ukraine’s backers by attacking military aid convoys before they reach the Ukrainian border.

“This is something that one should take into account,” a senior European diplomat said.
Latvian Defense Minister Artis Pabriks said in an interview that if Russian President Vladimir Putin wants a pretext to attack NATO, he will find one regardless of what the alliance does.
“I don’t think Russia can accuse us simply about deliveries — simply because it cannot be interpreted as a war between NATO and Russia,” Pabriks said. “But, of course, if they would like to interpret something in a negative way, Putin can always imagine something.”
Max Bearak in Brzegi Dolne, Poland, contributed to this report.
 
Ukrainalaisten onneksi ei ole hommat kaikilta osin hallinnassa. Tarkemmin erittelemättä on tullut sellainen kuva, että venäläisten koulutuksessa on ihan perusasioissakin tuntuvia puutteita. Muutoksia tullaan luultavasti näkemään, kun lähtevät sodan opetuksia jälkikäteen ruotimaan, mutta ei tämä välttämättä ihan nopea projekti ole.
Muutoksia voidaan nähdä, mutta saadaanko niitä koskaan vietyä alokaskoulutuksen tasolle asti?

Hieman epäilen, että kyse on jostakin laajemmasta valuviasta heikäläisten järjestelmässä kuin koulutuksen viilaamisesta. Soppii eppäillä, että mikään muuttuu..
 
Niin että pääseekö Venäjältä esim Facebookiin, YouTubeen, Instagramiin,jne näidenhän sanotaan olevan blokattu valtion toimesta?
Blokkia voi yleensä kiertää esim VPN palvelulla jolla voit huijata olevasi vaikkapa Saksassa.
Näitäkin voidaan kyllä ymmärtääkseni estää.
Laitoin kyselyn. Toinen puoli on, .. sanotaan ammattilaisia. (toki heitä ei ehkä niinkään kiinnosta sosiaalinen media, mutta laadin kysymyksen siten, että ehkäpä sieltä tulee tuohonkin kannanotto) .. (tai sitten ei, ovat aika varovaisia - syystä)
 
Venäläiset alkavat omaksua tuon Z runen symbolikseen, kuten kunnon natsit konsanaan.

Katso liite: 57950

Jopa NY. Meni sitten takalasi myöhemmin paskaksi tältä sankarilta.
Tampereella näin tänään venäläisen Jeepin, jossa oli rekisterikilven RUS-teksti ja lippu peitetty USA:n lipputarralla. Olivat ostamassa ikeasta peräkärrykuorman runkopatjoja ynnä tykötarpeita. Olisko siinä suku jättänyt uppoavan laivan ja muuttanut lännessä asuvien sukulaistensa luokse.
 
Ukrainalla on ollut sodan alussa max 10 patteria sodan alussa. Myös huonolaatuinen lähde edellä puhuu laukaisualustoista eikä pattereista. Todennäköisesti laukaisualustoja on ollut huomattavasti alle 100.

Bukeja ei taida mistään saada lisää, mutta onkohan wanha Kub (SA-6) vielä käytössä? Niitä voisi joidenkin maiden koipusseista löytyä.
 
Mielenkiintoinen säie Mariupolista. Tämän mukaan venäläisillä ei olisi suoranaista tarvetta vallata kaupunkia tässä vaiheessa, koska kaupungin voi kiertää alueelta, jota venäjä/sepot hallitsi jo ennen sotaa. Mutta Azov-prikaatin takia tämä on heille tunnekysymys.

 
Voisiko Ukrainalla olla lännestä saatu joku raskaampi IT? Meinaan vaan että luulisi ryssien kykenevän häiritsemään S300 systeemiä.
Siitä esim. itse en tiedä mitään, paljonko Ukrainan S-300:lle suorittamat moderisaatiot vaikuttavat niiden toimintakykyyn. Mutta kyllä esim. Israelin ympärillä käyty S-300:aa koskenut keskustelu on antanut ymmärtää, että järjestelmä on vähintään kohtalaisen suorituskykyinen. Ja jos noita hieman ylempänä linkkaamani jutun mukaisesti on ripoteltu satakunta ympäri Ukrainaa, ei ole ollenkaan yllättävää, että aina silloin tällöin jossain päin osuu sopivan varomaton saalis kohdalle.
 
Siitä esim. itse en tiedä mitään, paljonko Ukrainan S-300:lle suorittamat moderisaatiot vaikuttavat niiden toimintakykyyn. Mutta kyllä esim. Israelin ympärillä käyty S-300:aa koskenut keskustelu on antanut ymmärtää, että järjestelmä on vähintään kohtalaisen suorituskykyinen. Ja jos noita hieman ylempänä linkkaamani jutun mukaisesti on ripoteltu satakunta ympäri Ukrainaa, ei ole ollenkaan yllättävää, että aina silloin tällöin jossain päin osuu sopivan varomaton saalis kohdalle.

"S-300" voi tarkoittaa todella monentasoisia järjestelmiä. Wikipedian mukaan Ukrainalla olisi myös S-300V:tä (SA-12).
S-300:n huono puoli mm. Bukiin verrattuna on että patteri on riippuvainen yhdestä tulenjohtotutkasta. Tämä on yksi syy miksi sitä ei meille aikanaan hommattu. S-300V:ssä sen sijaan on ohjusvaunuissakin tutkat, kuten Bukissa.
 
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