Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Venäjä ylläpitää jännitettä ja valmistautuu tarvittaessa kiristämään tilannetta. Putinilla on edessään matka Brasiliaan, missä hän voi perustella Venäjän kantoja Ukrainan ja USA:n suhteen.
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/740025
Putin discusses with Security Council members situation in Ukraine, refugees inflow
Russia
July 11, 9:49 UTC+4
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-...wo-battalions-to-ukrainian-border-355576.html
Dmitry Tymchuk's military blog: Russia transferred two battalions to Ukrainian border
Print version
July 11, 2014, 8:45 a.m. | Op-ed — by Dmitry Tymchuk
http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/740025
Putin discusses with Security Council members situation in Ukraine, refugees inflow
Russia
July 11, 9:49 UTC+4
http://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/op-...wo-battalions-to-ukrainian-border-355576.html
Dmitry Tymchuk's military blog: Russia transferred two battalions to Ukrainian border
Print version
July 11, 2014, 8:45 a.m. | Op-ed — by Dmitry Tymchuk
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Amnesty International on saanut kenttätutkimuksensa valmiiksi. Euroopan apulaispäällikkö ja Keski-Aasian johtaja Krivosheevin mukaan separatistit ovat kolmen kuukauden aikana sortuneet useisiin ihmisoikeusrikkomuksiin ja kidutukseen. Ihmisoikeusrikkomukset liittyvät kontrolliin ja vallan pitämiseen pelolla. Kiovan hallinnon joukkojen jäljiltä Amnesty löysi vain lieviä väärinkäytöksiä.
Ukraine: Report exposes 'stomach-turning' violence
"Amnesty International says that it has gathered "graphic and compelling evidence of savage beatings and other torture" by pro-Russian separatist groups in eastern Ukraine.
The human rights group says that protesters and journalists have been targeted over the last three months.
An Amnesty report, Abductions and Torture in Eastern Ukraine, says that hundreds of people have been abducted.
Pro-government forces also committed a smaller number of abuses, Amnesty says.
Ukraine's military has made significant gains in recent days.
'Abhorrent practice'
"The bulk of the abductions are being perpetrated by armed separatists, with the victims often subjected to stomach-turning beatings and torture. But there is also evidence of a smaller number of abuses by pro-Kiev forces," Amnesty's Deputy Europe and Central Asia Director Denis Krivosheev said.
Pro-Russian separatists are accused of carrying out most of the violence
"The time has come to take stock of what has happened, and stop this abhorrent practice."
Amnesty says that while there are no definitive figures on the number of abductions, the Ukrainian interior ministry has reported nearly 500 cases between April and June 2014.
It says that the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission for Ukraine recorded 222 abduction cases over the last three months.
Amnesty International says that a fact-finding team has just returned from eastern Ukraine where they interviewed torture survivors on both sides of the conflict.
Amnesty report: Targeting of pro-Ukrainian activists
Hanna, a pro-Ukrainian activist, told Amnesty International how she was abducted by armed men in the eastern city of Donetsk on 27 May. She was held for six days before being released in a prisoner exchange.
Hanna has scars which she says were inflicted on her by armed men in Donetsk
"My face was smashed, he punched me in the face with his fist, he was trying to beat me everywhere, I was covering myself with my hands… I was huddled in the corner, curled up in a ball with my hands around my knees. He was angry that I was trying to protect myself. He went out and came back with a knife."
Hanna showed the Amnesty researchers scars on her neck, arms and legs where she said she had "sliced" with a knife.
It says that the researchers were provided with a list of more than 100 civilians who have been held captive and that allegations of torture have been made in most cases.
"Abductions have taken place across eastern Ukraine, in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions," Amnesty says.
"Those targeted include not only police, the military and local officials, but also journalists, politicians, activists, members of electoral commissions and businesspeople."
Amnesty says now that pro-Kiev forces are re-establishing control over areas of the east "new captives are being released almost daily with an increasing number of disturbing cases emerging".
Amnesty report: Abuses by pro-Kiev forces
Pro-Kiev forces, including self-defence groups, have also been implicated in the ill-treatment of captives, Amnesty says.
One local government official in the south-eastern port of Mariupol told Amnesty researchers how they heard a captive separatist fighter "wailing in pain" at the hands of pro-Kiev forces who were "seemingly trying to extract information about the separatists".
While most abductions appear to have a "political" motivation, Amnesty says, "there is clear evidence that abduction and torture is being used by armed groups to exert fear and control over local populations".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28250981
Ukraine: Report exposes 'stomach-turning' violence
"Amnesty International says that it has gathered "graphic and compelling evidence of savage beatings and other torture" by pro-Russian separatist groups in eastern Ukraine.
The human rights group says that protesters and journalists have been targeted over the last three months.
An Amnesty report, Abductions and Torture in Eastern Ukraine, says that hundreds of people have been abducted.
Pro-government forces also committed a smaller number of abuses, Amnesty says.
Ukraine's military has made significant gains in recent days.
'Abhorrent practice'
"The bulk of the abductions are being perpetrated by armed separatists, with the victims often subjected to stomach-turning beatings and torture. But there is also evidence of a smaller number of abuses by pro-Kiev forces," Amnesty's Deputy Europe and Central Asia Director Denis Krivosheev said.
Pro-Russian separatists are accused of carrying out most of the violence
"The time has come to take stock of what has happened, and stop this abhorrent practice."
Amnesty says that while there are no definitive figures on the number of abductions, the Ukrainian interior ministry has reported nearly 500 cases between April and June 2014.
It says that the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission for Ukraine recorded 222 abduction cases over the last three months.
Amnesty International says that a fact-finding team has just returned from eastern Ukraine where they interviewed torture survivors on both sides of the conflict.
Amnesty report: Targeting of pro-Ukrainian activists
Hanna, a pro-Ukrainian activist, told Amnesty International how she was abducted by armed men in the eastern city of Donetsk on 27 May. She was held for six days before being released in a prisoner exchange.
"My face was smashed, he punched me in the face with his fist, he was trying to beat me everywhere, I was covering myself with my hands… I was huddled in the corner, curled up in a ball with my hands around my knees. He was angry that I was trying to protect myself. He went out and came back with a knife."
Hanna showed the Amnesty researchers scars on her neck, arms and legs where she said she had "sliced" with a knife.
It says that the researchers were provided with a list of more than 100 civilians who have been held captive and that allegations of torture have been made in most cases.
"Abductions have taken place across eastern Ukraine, in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions," Amnesty says.
"Those targeted include not only police, the military and local officials, but also journalists, politicians, activists, members of electoral commissions and businesspeople."
Amnesty says now that pro-Kiev forces are re-establishing control over areas of the east "new captives are being released almost daily with an increasing number of disturbing cases emerging".
Amnesty report: Abuses by pro-Kiev forces
Pro-Kiev forces, including self-defence groups, have also been implicated in the ill-treatment of captives, Amnesty says.
One local government official in the south-eastern port of Mariupol told Amnesty researchers how they heard a captive separatist fighter "wailing in pain" at the hands of pro-Kiev forces who were "seemingly trying to extract information about the separatists".
While most abductions appear to have a "political" motivation, Amnesty says, "there is clear evidence that abduction and torture is being used by armed groups to exert fear and control over local populations".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28250981
Eihän tilanne ole vielä lähellekkään selvä. Separatistien siirtyminen sissisotaan tekisi Ukrainan pyrkimyksistä sotilaalliseen ratkaisuun mahdottoman ruman sotkun. Venäjä voi tämän halutessaan järjestää. Sitäkin ennen on tarjolla mahdollisuus kaupunkisotaan suuremmissa asutuskeskuksissa. Rumaa ja tuhoisaa tulee siitäkin.
sirppimestari
Kersantti
Näyttää siltä että Venäjä on valinnut taktiikan jossa se maksimoi ukrainan talouden selkärangan katkaisemisen. Tämä näkyy sillä että Venäjä liikuttaa sotavoimia ympäriinsä ja Ukrainan täytyy liikuttaa sotajoukkoja ja pitää sotakalustoa liikkeellä. Todennäköisesti tämä tarkoittaa sitä että Venäjän ei tarvitse hyökätä vähään aikaan Ukrainaan, riittää että pidetään painetta yllä tarpeeksi kauan.
Ukrainan täytyy hoitaa konflikti mahdollisimman nopeasti ohi ja tämä tarkoittaa suuria määriä siviiliuhreja.
"Today at the border crossing checkpoint “Dolzhansky,” another IFV [infantry fighting vehicle] hit a landmine. Again, our guys died…
I don’t know how many thousands of mines Russian mercenaries brought to Donbas from Russia. But what is clear is that they decided to make a new Cambodia from Luhansk and Donetsk Oblasts [regions]. The country, the land which is packed full with death."
Sissisotaa, hermoja vähän kuluttaa kun ei tiedä milloin posahtaa.
Piti mennä Israel ketjuun.
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Myrskyhiiri
Respected Leader
Amnesty International on saanut kenttätutkimuksensa valmiiksi. Euroopan apulaispäällikkö ja Keski-Aasian johtaja Krivosheevin mukaan separatistit ovat kolmen kuukauden aikana sortuneet useisiin ihmisoikeusrikkomuksiin ja kidutukseen. Ihmisoikeusrikkomukset liittyvät kontrolliin ja vallan pitämiseen pelolla. Kiovan hallinnon joukkojen jäljiltä Amnesty löysi vain lieviä väärinkäytöksiä.
Ukraine: Report exposes 'stomach-turning' violence
"Amnesty International says that it has gathered "graphic and compelling evidence of savage beatings and other torture" by pro-Russian separatist groups in eastern Ukraine.
The human rights group says that protesters and journalists have been targeted over the last three months.
An Amnesty report, Abductions and Torture in Eastern Ukraine, says that hundreds of people have been abducted.
Pro-government forces also committed a smaller number of abuses, Amnesty says.
Ukraine's military has made significant gains in recent days.
'Abhorrent practice'
"The bulk of the abductions are being perpetrated by armed separatists, with the victims often subjected to stomach-turning beatings and torture. But there is also evidence of a smaller number of abuses by pro-Kiev forces," Amnesty's Deputy Europe and Central Asia Director Denis Krivosheev said.
Pro-Russian separatists are accused of carrying out most of the violence
"The time has come to take stock of what has happened, and stop this abhorrent practice."
Amnesty says that while there are no definitive figures on the number of abductions, the Ukrainian interior ministry has reported nearly 500 cases between April and June 2014.
It says that the UN Human Rights Monitoring Mission for Ukraine recorded 222 abduction cases over the last three months.
Amnesty International says that a fact-finding team has just returned from eastern Ukraine where they interviewed torture survivors on both sides of the conflict.
Amnesty report: Targeting of pro-Ukrainian activists
Hanna, a pro-Ukrainian activist, told Amnesty International how she was abducted by armed men in the eastern city of Donetsk on 27 May. She was held for six days before being released in a prisoner exchange.
Hanna has scars which she says were inflicted on her by armed men in Donetsk
"My face was smashed, he punched me in the face with his fist, he was trying to beat me everywhere, I was covering myself with my hands… I was huddled in the corner, curled up in a ball with my hands around my knees. He was angry that I was trying to protect myself. He went out and came back with a knife."
Hanna showed the Amnesty researchers scars on her neck, arms and legs where she said she had "sliced" with a knife.
It says that the researchers were provided with a list of more than 100 civilians who have been held captive and that allegations of torture have been made in most cases.
"Abductions have taken place across eastern Ukraine, in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions," Amnesty says.
"Those targeted include not only police, the military and local officials, but also journalists, politicians, activists, members of electoral commissions and businesspeople."
Amnesty says now that pro-Kiev forces are re-establishing control over areas of the east "new captives are being released almost daily with an increasing number of disturbing cases emerging".
Amnesty report: Abuses by pro-Kiev forces
Pro-Kiev forces, including self-defence groups, have also been implicated in the ill-treatment of captives, Amnesty says.
One local government official in the south-eastern port of Mariupol told Amnesty researchers how they heard a captive separatist fighter "wailing in pain" at the hands of pro-Kiev forces who were "seemingly trying to extract information about the separatists".
While most abductions appear to have a "political" motivation, Amnesty says, "there is clear evidence that abduction and torture is being used by armed groups to exert fear and control over local populations".
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28250981
Kyllä piip on piip vaikka voissa paistaisi. Tällä tarkoitan sitä että venäläisessä/slaavilaisessa tai tuoreemmin NL:n kulttuurissa on pitkät perinteet tällaiselle väkivallalle jo rauhankin aikana ja oman yhteiskunnan jäseniä kohtaan, saati sitten sodassa mallia Tshetsenia. VICE newsin reportteriakin potkivat muutaman yön aikana kellarissa aika ikävästi ja Nadja:n abduktoivat Venäjälle. Asiasta toiseen, Aleksander Dugin on kuulemma saanut kenkää Moskovan yliopistosta, olisiko niin että Putin on suuttunut herran kiihoituspuheista, jotka on aiheuttanut tämän ikävän tilanteen niin hienosti menneen Krimin kaappauksen jälkeen.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Kapinallisilla on huono omatunto eikä heidän aineksensa ole kaikin osin puhtoista. Ovat tehneet listan toimittajista, jotka tulee tappaa, koska ovat kirjoittaneet "länsivalheita".
Uskosakseni Venäjän tulee varoa näitä ääriaineksia.
Duginin erotti Moskovan yliopiston rehtori kesäkuussa, koska yliopiston kuuluu olla tieteen, ei politiikan paikka.
sirppimestari
Kersantti
Nyt lasahti kunnolla,
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288713127535.html
Joiden tietojen mukaan 60 - 70 KIA + noin 200 WIA ukrainan puolella lähellä venäjän rajaa, siis ukrainan sotilaita. Ei näistä ole sotimaan venäjän joukkoja vastaan.
RIP
http://www.unian.net/politics/93861...obscheniya-o-gibeli-ot-30-do-50-voennyih.html
"Päivitetty klo 14:00. Paavalin mukaan Chornoty, 24 ja osa 79 prikaatin olivat yhdessä. Armeija potkut "Castle" pitkän kantaman. "Noin 20 kilometriä, ei voinut edes nähdä avotulta. Caught in ammuksia samoin. Kuoli ainakin 25 ihmistä, haavoittaa yli 100" - käyttäjän sosiaalisessa mediassa.
Lue lisää UNIAN: http://www.unian.net/politics/93861...obscheniya-o-gibeli-ot-30-do-50-voennyih.html"
http://www.iltasanomat.fi/ulkomaat/art-1288713127535.html
Joiden tietojen mukaan 60 - 70 KIA + noin 200 WIA ukrainan puolella lähellä venäjän rajaa, siis ukrainan sotilaita. Ei näistä ole sotimaan venäjän joukkoja vastaan.
RIP
http://www.unian.net/politics/93861...obscheniya-o-gibeli-ot-30-do-50-voennyih.html
"Päivitetty klo 14:00. Paavalin mukaan Chornoty, 24 ja osa 79 prikaatin olivat yhdessä. Armeija potkut "Castle" pitkän kantaman. "Noin 20 kilometriä, ei voinut edes nähdä avotulta. Caught in ammuksia samoin. Kuoli ainakin 25 ihmistä, haavoittaa yli 100" - käyttäjän sosiaalisessa mediassa.
Lue lisää UNIAN: http://www.unian.net/politics/93861...obscheniya-o-gibeli-ot-30-do-50-voennyih.html"
Sama uutinen löytyy nyt eri lähteistä, joiden mukaan myös joukko kaivostyöntekijöitä sai surmansa. Kapinallisten käyttämät raskaat aseet johtanevat Ukrainan hallituksen joukkojen osalta samaan. Heillä on siis ainakin omasta mielestään oikeus jatkossa käyttää raskasta tykistöään kapinallisia vastaan. Tämä puolestaan johtaa myös siviiliuhreihin ja tilanteens kiristyiseen entisestään.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28261737
http://yle.fi/uutiset/ita-ukrainass...iskussa_kaivosmiesten_bussi_tuhottiin/7351554
Ukrainan "vastaus" tuolle Zelenopillyan verilöylylle
Military Luhansk region killed about 100 militants, two "Grad" and three "Kamaz"
Подробности читайте на УНИАН:http://www.unian.net/politics/93869...kolo-100-boevikov-dva-grada-i-tri-kamaza.html
http://www.unian.net/politics/93869...kolo-100-boevikov-dva-grada-i-tri-kamaza.html
Zelenopillyan taistelu jatkuu, tarvitsisivat apujoukkoja:
Under Zelenopolem battle continues, the military need urgent help
Подробности читайте на УНИАН:http://www.unian.net/politics/93870...sya-boy-voennyim-nujna-srochnaya-pomosch.html
Military Luhansk region killed about 100 militants, two "Grad" and three "Kamaz"
Подробности читайте на УНИАН:http://www.unian.net/politics/93869...kolo-100-boevikov-dva-grada-i-tri-kamaza.html
http://www.unian.net/politics/93869...kolo-100-boevikov-dva-grada-i-tri-kamaza.html
Zelenopillyan taistelu jatkuu, tarvitsisivat apujoukkoja:
Under Zelenopolem battle continues, the military need urgent help
Подробности читайте на УНИАН:http://www.unian.net/politics/93870...sya-boy-voennyim-nujna-srochnaya-pomosch.html
Vaikka ukrainalaiset saisivatkin viralliset rajanylityspaikat hallintaansa, mitä he eivät ilmeisestikään ole saaneet, niin muitakin reittejä pitkin aseistusta voi kuljettaa ja kuljetetaan
Ukrainaan, joten haastetta tuossa riittää:
Through the "leaky" Ukrainian border from Russia every day ride Russian tanks - residents of Sukhodilsk (Суходольска)
http://newsoboz.org/politika/cherez...-granitsu-iz-rossii-ezhednevno-11072014102242
"On the approach of Russian equipment in Ukraine. Pithy post resident of Sukhodolskoye (Krasnodonsky district, Luhansk region)." In our Sukhodolsk little support separatists, but people are just afraid to speak up, even though everyone knows that in our city, and every day riding tanks, armored personnel carriers, ranging from 1:00 to 3:00 am, "- said in a statement.
According to them, the border "leaky" and referred to specific places where Russian military equipment crosses the border: "Popovka, p.Severny, where mine-p.Belenkoe 2nd North (border posts there never was). All roads go to the mine Sukhodilska East (this is the only reference of the fields), the column can turn left past the mine through the Ural and Caucasus to Izvarino, the rest go right, enter the Sukhodilsk and on the street. Shosseinaya that goes into str. Mamaia run to track Krasnodon-Lugansk, where road bridge before winding Youth ".
In Luhansk joined convoy of heavy equipment from Russia
http://espreso.tv/news/2014/07/11/v_luhansk_uviyshla_kolona_vazhkoyi_tekhniky_z_rosiyi
(Kuva ei välttämättä esitä uutisen tapausta)
On the night of 10 to 11 July at the territory of Ukraine joined entered about 20 pieces of heavy equipment
The column, which were seen tractors, trucks and BRTy, joined by Krasnodonsky area and went to Lugansk.According to local residents, trucks came with the included headlights.One of the trucks was able to discern even number - "21 regions of the Russian Federation" (Chuvashia), wrote"The Informant."
Later in the morning the same way went to Lugansk tank column.Local residents were observed five T 72. Seen in the morning of the regional center, in the street.Karl Marx.
Ukrainaan, joten haastetta tuossa riittää:
Through the "leaky" Ukrainian border from Russia every day ride Russian tanks - residents of Sukhodilsk (Суходольска)
http://newsoboz.org/politika/cherez...-granitsu-iz-rossii-ezhednevno-11072014102242
"On the approach of Russian equipment in Ukraine. Pithy post resident of Sukhodolskoye (Krasnodonsky district, Luhansk region)." In our Sukhodolsk little support separatists, but people are just afraid to speak up, even though everyone knows that in our city, and every day riding tanks, armored personnel carriers, ranging from 1:00 to 3:00 am, "- said in a statement.
According to them, the border "leaky" and referred to specific places where Russian military equipment crosses the border: "Popovka, p.Severny, where mine-p.Belenkoe 2nd North (border posts there never was). All roads go to the mine Sukhodilska East (this is the only reference of the fields), the column can turn left past the mine through the Ural and Caucasus to Izvarino, the rest go right, enter the Sukhodilsk and on the street. Shosseinaya that goes into str. Mamaia run to track Krasnodon-Lugansk, where road bridge before winding Youth ".
In Luhansk joined convoy of heavy equipment from Russia
http://espreso.tv/news/2014/07/11/v_luhansk_uviyshla_kolona_vazhkoyi_tekhniky_z_rosiyi
(Kuva ei välttämättä esitä uutisen tapausta)
On the night of 10 to 11 July at the territory of Ukraine joined entered about 20 pieces of heavy equipment
The column, which were seen tractors, trucks and BRTy, joined by Krasnodonsky area and went to Lugansk.According to local residents, trucks came with the included headlights.One of the trucks was able to discern even number - "21 regions of the Russian Federation" (Chuvashia), wrote"The Informant."
Later in the morning the same way went to Lugansk tank column.Local residents were observed five T 72. Seen in the morning of the regional center, in the street.Karl Marx.
Virallinen luku 2 tuntia sitten näytti olevan 19 KIA ja 93 WIA:
"At 4.30 am on their side of the terrorists opened fire from multiple launch rocket systems fire BM-21 "Grad".As a result of the shelling killed 19 members of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, another 93 were injured."
http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2014/07/...rzhavnogo-kordonu-v-luganskij-oblasti-zaginul
http://www.mil.gov.ua/news/2014/07/...uli-vijskovosluzhbovczi-zbrojnih-sil-ukraini/
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Vonka
Supreme Leader
Eikö ollut 23 kaat 93 haav? Keskitys osui ryhmityksen yöllä, verraten lähekkäin varmaan majailivat.
Neljä kaatui muualla kuin tuolla, mistä tulee tuo 23 sen mukaan mitä luin.
Edit:
Tymchuk & ATO press service: #Ukraine ATO loses for last 24 hours: 23 killed (19 soldiers, 4 border guards), 93 received various injuries.
Samaa epäilin itse.
Edit: tällainen twiitti löytyi (eli muitakin epäilijöitä on)
lennutrajektoor
1st brigade 79th regiment camp was scouted by UAVs & shelled after, which all came fr #RUS side. This is 1st incident DIRECTLY by #RUS army.
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