Ukrainan konflikti/sota

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Voisi sanoa oikeastaan, että voisi yleistää koskemaan koko Venäjän nykyistä valtiojohtoa.
 
Defensie-overleg over vliegramp ("Puolustus palaveri lentokoneonnettomuudesta")
zaterdag 19 jul 2014, 22:05 (Update: 19-07-14, 22:14)

Ministers Hennis en Hagel begin juni bij een NAVO-vergaderingEPA
De Amerikaanse minister Hagel van Defensie heeft met zijn Nederlandse collega Hennis overlegd over de vliegramp in Oekraïne. Ze zijn het erover eens dat er een "sterke en verenigde reactie op de tragedie" moet komen, meldde het Pentagon na het telefoongesprek.

http://nos.nl/artikel/676982-defensieoverleg-over-vliegramp.html

Kuvateksti: "Ministerit Hennis ja Hagel keskäkuun alussa NAVO-kokouksessa"

"Amerikkalaisella puolustusministeri Hagelilla oli palaveri kollegansa Henniksen kanssa lentokoneonnettomuudesta Ukrainassa. He olivat siitä asiasta yhtämieltä, että tarvitaan "vahva ja yhtenäinen reaktio tähän tragediaan", ilmoitti Pentagon puhelinkeskustelun jälkeen.

edit: kumpa nyt vain oikeasti jotain saisivat aikaan, eikä jäisi vain sanahelinäksi
 
Ukrainalaiset ovat saaneet haltuunsa alueen Luhanskin länsi-lounaispuolelta ja siten lähes katkaisseet aseiden tuontireitin Venäjältä Donetskiin ja muualle lännemmäs.
Tilannekartta alla.

Myös Donetskin lentokentälle on päästy apuun saarretuille joukoille.

Lugansk News Today:

Force # ATO took control of track # Lugansk - Krasnyi Luch/Красный Луч (Red Ray), virtually cutting off the supply of weapons from [terrorists] Terry, manpower and ammunition

Valery Geletey:

Tonight, as a result of action of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are involved in anti-terrorist operations unlocked Donetsk airport and airfield and put more power. Thus was extended control zone around this strategic facility. To consolidate the results at key points Ukrainian military put up more checkpoints. Terrorists do not risk approach reinforced rayon defense Ukrainian military rifle fire at a distance of insidiously lead contact and long range fire from mortars and artillery, hiding in the peaceful suburbs quarters mining capital. Particular the town and district of Donetsk Sands "Spartacus."

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Katsotaan löytyisikö tästä jotain tarkempaa. Ties vaikka sota päättyisi siihen, että Venäjä kuskaa vaivihkaa omalle puolelleen kaiken muunkin alueelle viedyn aseistuksen ja mukana miehet. Taitaa kuitenkin olla toiveajattelua.


WSJ: Venäjä toimittanut BUK-ohjuksia Itä-Ukrainaan

Malaysia Airlinesin Boeing 777-lentokone uskotaan ammutun alas kuvan mukaisella Buk-ilmatorjuntajärjestelmällä.
YURI KOCHETKOV
Julkaistu: 20.7.2014 4:20
MH17 USA:n tiedustelulähteiden mukaan on todennäköistä, että Venäjä on toimittanut Itä-Ukrainan separatisteille kehittyneitä ilmatorjuntajärjestelmiä vain joitakin päiviä sitten.

Asiasta kertoo Wall Street Journal. Lehden mukaan USA:n viranomaiset uskovat, että Venäjä on toimittanut separatisteille useita BUK-ohjusjärjestelmiä.

Viranomaiset uskovat myös, että ohjusjärjestelmät salakuljetettiin takaisin Venäjän puolelle sen jälkeen, kun Malaysia Airlinesin matkustajakone ammuttiin alas.

STT

U.S. Points to Russian Missile Connection in Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 Crash
Russia Cited As Likely Supplier of Deadly Antiaircraft Missile

By
Margaret Coker,
Adam Entous,
Robert Wall and
Alan Cullison
connect
Updated July 19, 2014 9:07 p.m. ET
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U.S. officials say they now suspect that Russia supplied the rebels with multiple SA-11 antiaircraft systems, like the one shown above in this file photo from May. Associated Press

New U.S. intelligence assessments indicate that Moscow likely provided pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine with sophisticated antiaircraft systems in recent days, matching evidence put forward by Ukraine and bolstering charges that Russia was the source of the weapon that shot down Malaysia Airlines 3786.KU -11.11% Flight 17 this week, killing 298.


Days after Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 crashed, killing 298 people, concerns are growing that rebel fighters are blocking access to the site and tampering with evidence. Photo: AP

U.S. officials say they now suspect that Russia supplied the rebels with multiple SA-11 antiaircraft systems by smuggling them into eastern Ukraine with other military equipment, including tanks.

Further, U.S. officials believe the systems were moved back across the border into Russia following the shoot down of the jetliner, buttressing what Ukraine charges is an attempt by the rebels and their Russian advisers to cover up their involvement in the crash.

"The assumption is they're trying to remove evidence of what they did," said a senior U.S. official briefed on the latest intelligence.

The expanding case against the Ukrainian separatists and the Kremlin comes as U.S. and Western leaders have swapped rounds of phone calls since Friday, calling for greater pressure against Moscow and a renewed effort to secure the chaotic crash site in eastern Ukraine and ensure that human remains receive proper attention. Secretary of State John Kerry phoned his Russian counterpart on the issue Saturday. (Follow the latest updates on the Malaysia Airlines crash in Ukraine.)
 
Britannian mukaan liian moni EU-maa jarruttelee Venäjän vastaisissa toimissa

Sunnuntai 20.7.2014 klo 02.07



Liian moni EU-maa jarruttaa Venäjän-vastaisia toimia ja tätä on tapahtunut liian pitkään, sanoo Britannian pääministeri David Cameron.

Cameronin mukaan EU:n ja länsimaiden pitää nyt käyttää voimaa, vaikutusvaltaa ja resursseja muuttaakseen suhtautumista Venäjään.

Britannian puolustusministeri sanoo, että malesialaiskoneen tapauksesta voi koitua Venäjälle lisää pakotteita.

STT

EDIT:Non niin... EU:n isot pojat ärähti, mitäs me nyt tehdään??
 
Ei kai enää ole syytä tuhlata ruutia tutkimalla paikan päällä sitä, mikä pudotti koneen. Kaikki järjissään olevat osapuolet tuntuvat olevan yhtä mieltä siitä, että kyseessä oli BUK-ohjus. Nyt pitäisi selvittää kuka ohjuksen ampui. Kaksi päälinjaa, kapinalliset yksin vai kapinalliset venäläisten avustamina. Tämäkään ei ole oleellisinta, oleellisinta on, että Venäjä ylläpitää alueen kapinaa ja epäjärjestystä toimittamalla sinne aseita ja miehiä sekä tukemalla kapinallisia poliittisesti. Putinin viimeiakaiset lausumat eivät osoita mitään muutosta maan linjassa. Kolleegan sanoin; kapinalliset ryöstävät ruumiita, Venäjä yrittää ryöstää koko Ukrainan.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/07/19/world/europe/ukraine-malaysia-airlines-crash/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Observers: Who's moving bodies at Malaysia Airlines crash site?
By Ralph Ellis, Tom Cohen and Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
July 20, 2014 -- Updated 0443 GMT (1243 HKT)



http://time.com/3008016/ukraine-crash-bodies-separatists/
Rebels Haul Victims Away
Whatever hopes remained of a thorough and professional investigation of the Malaysia Airlines crash ebbed away on Saturday evening as pro-Russian separatists loaded bodies of the dead onto trucks to be taken away, TIME's Simon Shuster reports from Ukraine

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28388136

MH17 crash: Pressure grows on Russia over crash inquiry
 
Olisiko syytä lopettaa Venäjä-vastainen kirjoittelu ennenkuin Putin ja Bäckmann todella hermostuvat :cool: ?

Pro-Kremlin Media Accuses West of Propaganda War Against Russia
  • Reuters
  • Jul. 19 2014 14:57
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David Gray / ReutersMembers of the Australian Ukrainian community hold placards as they hold a rally in Sydney July 19, 2014, demanding that Russian President Vladimir Putin not be allowed to attend the G20 Leaders Summit in November.
Some said Ukrainian jet fighters tailed the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight MH-17; others speculated that Kiev's forces mistook it for Vladimir Putin's Russian presidential jet.

But while Russia's pro-Kremlin media offered varying accounts of how the Boeing 777 may have been brought down, they agreed on who was responsible: the Ukrainian government.

For Moscow, Kiev and pro-Russian separatist rebels alike, the information war to sway public opinion over who is to blame for Thursday's disaster will be crucial to how the crisis in eastern Ukraine develops.

Hours after the crash that killed 298 people, Putin pointed the finger of blame at his Ukrainian counterpart Petro Poroshenko, saying it would not have happened if Kiev had not ended a ceasefire with the separatists.

Since then, reporting from Russia's tightly-controlled media, which has favored the rebels throughout the conflict, has largely supported Putin's conclusions, sharply diverging from Western coverage of the tragedy.

Russian media drew parallels with a Russian passenger jet carrying 78 people which was mistakenly shot down by the Ukrainian military in 2001 as it flew over the Black Sea.

An aviation source cited by Kremlin-owned news outlet RT also pushed the idea that Ukrainian forces may have fired a rocket at the Malaysian Boeing, mistaking it for Putin's jet returning from a summit in Brazil.

"The contours of the airplanes are in general similar, the linear dimensions are also very similar and regarding the coloring, from a sufficiently long distance, they are practically identical," the source said.

As is often the case with pro-Kremlin news outlets, the narrative could not be more different from the one reported by Western media, which RT television criticized for "unleashing a post-crash factless blame game against Russia."

Any indication that the rebels shot down the plane with weapons seized either from Russian or Ukrainian stockpiles could raise pressure for stronger action against Russia.

The day before the crash, the U.S. had slapped its toughest sanctions yet on Russia for its role in the separatist conflict that has brought Moscow's ties with the West to their lowest since the Cold War.

Russia's LifeNews online outlet carried a slightly different account, saying witnesses had seen a Ukrainian fighter jet behind the Malaysian airliner, which was flying at an altitude of 10 kilometers — so high it would be barely visible from the ground.

Russian news reports supported their arguments with the alleged Twitter feed of a Spaniard believed to work as an aviation dispatcher at Kiev's Borisypil airport.

"Two Ukrainian jet fighters were noticed next to the airplane before it disappeared from the radar, all of three minutes beforehand," the alleged dispatcher was quoted as saying by Interfax and pro-Russian Twitter accounts.

On Thursday the cited account @Spainbuca had been deleted.

Information Counterattack
Kiev is staging an information counterattack. Officials accused the rebels of using a Soviet-era SA-11 missile system acquired from Russia — offering evidence that they may have believed they were firing on a Ukrainian military aircraft.

The government released recordings it said were of Russian intelligence officers discussing the shooting down of an aircraft by rebels they were supporting.

"Hell," says one of those being recorded. "It's almost 100 percent certain that it's a civilian plane. Bits were falling in the streets ... Bits of seat, bodies."

The separatists in Donetsk, near where the plane went down, boasted to Russian newswire ITAR-Tass last month of having gained an SA-11 Buk, which is believed to have shot down the Boeing. Hours after the crash, however, the premier of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Alexander Borodai, denied the claim, telling RIA news agency the fighters had no Buk systems that could have brought down the plane.

"We didn't have Buks and don't have them now. Some other kinds of air defense systems were seized," he said.

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said in an interview on state television that Kiev was spinning the facts and trying to deceive the international community over what was happening in eastern Ukraine.

"A stream of falsehoods is flowing out of Kiev regarding what is happening," said Lavrov, "They are accusing everyone and everything except for themselves."

A Western diplomatic source in Moscow said it would be "very difficult" to convince the international opinion that the separatists were not behind the crash.

Russia has already found some unofficial support from China, where the state news agency said in a commentary that officials from the U.S., Australia and other Western countries had jumped to conclusions in pointing their fingers at the rebels in eastern Ukraine or blaming Russia.
 
YK:ssa yritetään saada läpi julkilausuma, jolla taattaisiin tutkijoiden työskentelymahdollisuudet koneen pudotusalueella. Jos julkilausumasta äänestetään vasta maanantaina, ruumiit kävelevät kohta itsestään!


Exclusive: U.N. Security Council mulls resolution on Ukraine crash site access
By Michelle Nichols

UNITED NATIONS Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:48am EDT

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Russian Ambassador to the United Nations Vitaly Churkin listens during a U.N. Security Council meeting regarding the situation in Ukraine and the recent downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 at the United Nations headquarters in New York July 18, 2014.

Credit: Reuters/Lucas Jackson

(Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council is considering a draft resolution to condemn the "shooting down" of a Malaysian passenger plane in Ukraine, demand armed groups allow access to the crash site, and call on states in the region to cooperate with an international investigation.

Australia - which lost 28 citizens - circulated a draft text, seen by Reuters, to the 15-member Security Council late on Saturday and diplomats, speaking on condition of anonymity, said it could be put to a vote as early as Monday.

The draft resolution "demands that those responsible for this incident be held to account and that all states cooperate fully with efforts to establish accountability."

It "condemns in the strongest terms the shooting down Malaysia Airlines flight MH17 ... resulting in the tragic loss of 298 lives" and "demands that all states and other actors in the region refrain from acts of violence directed against civilian aircraft."

The United States and other powers have said the plane was likely brought down on Thursday by a surface-to-air missile fired from rebel territory.

U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Samantha Power said on Friday that Washington could not rule out Russian help in firing the missile.

Russian President Vladimir Putin urged the pro-Moscow rebels in eastern Ukraine to cooperate and insisted that an international investigation must not leap to conclusions. Moscow denies involvement and has pointed a finger at Kiev's military.

Ukraine and its Western allies accuse Moscow of fueling a pro-Russian uprising that threatens to break up the former Soviet republic of 46 million people. Russia denies orchestrating the unrest and says Ukraine's attempts to end it by military force are making the situation worse.

The draft U.N. resolution "calls on all states and actors in the region to cooperate fully in relation to the international investigation of the incident, including with respect to immediate access to the crash site."

It "demands that the armed groups in control of the crash site and the surrounding area refrain from any actions that may compromise the integrity of the crash site and immediately provide safe, secure, full and unfettered access to the site and surrounding area."

International monitors the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe said on Saturday they had been allowed to see more of the crash site, though gunmen still stopped them approaching some of the wreckage.

Russia's U.N. mission declined to comment on the draft Security Council resolution.

The Security Council issued an statement on Friday calling for a "full, thorough and independent international investigation," access to the site and appropriate accountability. Britain drafted the short text and hoped the council could issue it on Thursday but Russia requested more time to review it.

The Australian-drafted resolution "supports efforts to establish a full, thorough and independent international investigation into the incident in accordance with international civil aviation guidelines."

It also "insists that the bodies of the victims are treated in a dignified, respectful and professional manner."
 
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/18/us-ukraine-crisis-imf-loans-idUSKBN0FN0S120140718

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2014/new043014a.htm

Moghadam: Energy prices in Ukraine are exceptionally low. Currently, the gas price for households in Ukraine is $85 for one thousand cubic meter. In Russia—a gas producing and exporting economy—the price is $158 for one thousand cubic meter. The regional differences are even larger with prices in Ukraine being 4 to 9 times lower than in neighboring gas-importing economies. In January 2014, Romania’s citizens paid about $ 414, Moldova’s $ 432, and Poland’s $ 687 for one thousand cubic meter.

Ukrainanalla tulee vaikeuksia samalla tasapainottaa taloutta ja rakentaa uutta infraa tuhotun tilalle.

edit1 Onko tuolla pikavalinta painiketta lainauksille?
 
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