Ukrainan konflikti/sota

Mielestäni se, joka tällaisella palstalla rupeaa metsästämään faktoja jokaisesta viestistä on kyllä toivottomassa suossa ;)

Itse luen viestiketjua yleiskuvan muodostamiseksi, joka tapahtuu molempien sodan osapuolien sekä kommentoijien uutisointia suodattaen. Pääsääntöisesti ensimmäisiä viestejä jostakin tapahtumasta ei kannata lähteä trollaamaan eteenpäin, totuus selviää yleensä viiveellä, jota ei voi aina ennustaa. Pidemmän seuraamisen perusteella muodostuu käsitys niistä, joiden kommenteille voi laittaa enemmän painoarvoa ja ketkä voi hypätä nopeammin yli.
 
Luin päivällä jonkun artikkelin Donbassista. Siinä joku ukrainalainen sotilas sanoi mielipiteenään, että merkittävä osa [taistelu]alueille jääneistä siviileistä on ryssämielisiä, ja osa heistä auttaa aktiivisesti vihollista. Heihin ei voi luottaa vaikka heitä autetaan jatkuvasti.

Näyttää Luhanskin kuvernööri kirjoittavan samasta. Osa siviileistä toimii "tulenkorjaajina", SBU paljastanut erilaisia verkostoja.

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In the liberated villages of Kherson, the locals ask for one thing - kill them all. Catch up and kill everyone. Details will be in the criminal cases on the fact of the genocide, but for now, the emotions of people liberated from the fascist occupation. From murder, violence, robbery, rape and other atrocities.
 
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Luin päivällä jonkun artikkelin Donbassista. Siinä joku ukrainalainen sotilas sanoi mielipiteenään, että merkittävä osa [taistelu]alueille jääneistä siviileistä on ryssämielisiä, ja osa heistä auttaa aktiivisesti vihollista. Heihin ei voi luottaa vaikka heitä autetaan jatkuvasti.

Näyttää Luhanskin kuvernööri kirjoittavan samasta. Osa siviileistä toimii "tulenkorjaajina", SBU paljastanut erilaisia verkostoja.

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Сергій Гайдай

Сергій Гайдай, Mukatševe. 66 794 tykkäystä · 717 puhuu tästä. Голова Мукачівської районної державної адміністрації
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Entinen yhdysvaltalainen Venäjän suurlähettiläs Michael McFaul toteaa televisiokanava MSNBC:n haastattelussa, että diplomatia tai taloudelliset takaiskut eivät saa Vladimir Putinia lopettamaan sotaa.

Hänen mukaansa sodan voi lopettaa pelkästään se, että Venäjän joukot eivät etene Ukrainassa. McFaul uskoo, että vain siinä tapauksessa Venäjän presidentti on valmis istumaan yhteiseen neuvottelupöytään.

McFaul viittaa väitteessään Ranskan presidentti Emmanuel Macronin taannoisiin puheisiin siitä, ettei Venäjää saisi nöyryyttää.

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Huh huh! Aika raju. Mikäköhän tuossa oli taustalla? Vedätys lopuksi, kun on tarpeeksi seuraajia?
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Eikös tämä ole omien puheidensa mukaan useamman henkilön tiimi, joku Kanadassa ja osa Ukrainassa? Mutta mielenkiintoista kuin vaivaa joitakin... Onhan toki välissä ollut hieman lennokasta juttua
 
By the time it was Olena’s turn for interrogation, she had already spent three weeks cold, hungry and sleeping on the floor. Even so, it was the male Russian officer ordering her to take off her blouse for an inspection that she found the worst indignity of the ordeal fleeing her home in Mariupol, Ukraine.

“Bruises on the shoulders could mean you’re a sniper,” Olena explains from a cafe in Tbilisi, Georgia. She was horrified. “I told him, I’m turning 60 years old this August. How could I be a sniper?” The officer didn’t seem to care. “I’m not wearing my glasses anyway,” he told her. “Take your top off now.”

Stories like Olena’s from a filtration camp in Nikolske, a town in the self-proclaimed Donetsk people’s republic (DNR), are common among the growing number of Ukrainian refugees now in Georgia. Since the start of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, an estimated 20,000 Ukrainians have entered Georgia, many arriving from Russia through Georgia’s northern Kazbegi mountain border.
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Ukrainians who fled to Georgia reveal details of Russia’s ‘filtration camps’

Refugees tell of being forced to strip or witnessing beatings as they seek to enter Russia
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During Olena’s interrogation, she recalled how a guard questioning a man at the next table found a keyring bearing the image of the Ukrainian coat of arms. Four guards then beat the man savagely with batons and kicks to the head before throwing him outside in sub-zero temperatures without a coat or hat.
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Filtration usually ends in one of two ways: either you “pass” the interrogation and are handed a small, stamped piece of paper with the date of your filtration and the signature of the supervising officer, or you will be detained for further questioning.
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Siviilien pahoinpitely, ryöstäminen jne kaikki viittaa sotarikoksiin. Filtterointi, keskitysleireihin, pakkotyöhön ja orjuuttamiseen. Vähimmistöjen tapattaminen, kansanmurha. Kaikki asioita joita muistetaan pitempään kuin niitä hyviä asioita. En saa yhtään hyvää asiaa päähäni naapurin asioista.
 
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Former McDonald’s restaurants in the Russian capital have reopened under a new name, Vkusno & tochka (“Tasty and that’s it”), in a rebranding intended to comfort Russians that they can continue to live western lifestyles – even if Big Macs are gone from the menu.

McDonald’s announced its exit from the Russian market in May, saying it would sell its 850 restaurants due to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine. It joined an exodus of western businesses from the Russian market amid sanctions and serious shortages in some sectors.

On Sunday, the new Russian fast-food chain that bought out McDonald’s, opened its first 15 restaurants in Moscow. Vkusno & tochka plans to eventually reopen all 850.
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McDonald’s restaurants in Russia reopen under new brand

Named Vkusno & tochka (‘Tasty and that’s it’), the fast-food chain appears to be a copy of the American original
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As the restaurant reopened on Sunday, one protestor held up a sign: “Bring back the Big Mac.” He was swiftly escorted out.
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Jos kaikki läntinen on hapatusta niin miksi ne seuraavat länsikulttuuria ja haluavat hampurilaisia?
 
The head of the Russian Committee for the Prevention of Torture announced on Sunday that he had disbanded the organization after Russian authorities labeled it as a “foreign agent.”

Calling the label an “insult,” Sergei Babinets said, “We don’t want to continue working by being labelled ‘foreign agents’. We consider this term an insult and slander,” Sergei Babinets said on Telegram.

“Despite the obvious importance of our mission, the authorities have been trying for many years to portray it as foreign and harmful,” he said.

“The authorities are sending a signal that torture is becoming (or has already become) a part of government policy,” he added.
The organization was founded 22 years ago and has launched multiple campaigns to urge authorities to investigate mistreatment by seurity forces and implement preventative measures.

Already branded a “foreign agent” in 2015 and again in 2016, the organisation decided to dissolve itself before reforming to try to shake off the designation.

“Foreign agents” are subject to numerous constraints and tedious procedures, or they face heavy penalties. They must indicate their status in all publications.
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Russia-Ukraine war: Russian military destroys Sievierodonetsk bridge, cutting possible escape route – live

Destruction of bridge over Siverskyi river linking city to Lysychansk; battles raging in key city in eastern Ukraine after Azot chemical plant hit
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The British defense company QinetiQ will supply Ukraine with 10 Talon sapper robots for demining purposes, Ukrainian authorities announced on Sunday.

In a statement on Facebook, the first deputy head of Ukraine’s patrol police, Oleksiy Biloshitsky, said:

Talon will be deployed to demine Ukraine. This is a sapper robot that not only locates ‘gifts’ but also neutralizes them. Before the war we had already had more than a dozen of them, now QinetiQ will deliver 10 more.
According to Ukrainian outlet Ukrinform, approximately 300,000 sq km in Ukraine require demining.
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The leader of the Russian-backed separatist Donetsk region of Ukraine has said there is no reason to pardon two British nationals who were sentenced to death last week after being captured while fighting for Ukraine.

A court in the self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic on Thursday found Aiden Aslin and Shaun Pinner - and Moroccan Brahim Saadoun - guilty of “mercenary activities” seeking to overthrow the republic.

Britain says Aslin and Pinner were regular soldiers and should be exempt under the Geneva Conventions from prosecution for participation in hostilities.

The pro-Russian separatists who control Donetsk say they committed grave crimes and have a month to appeal, Reuters reported

“I don’t see any grounds, prerequisites, for me to come out with such a decision on a pardon,” Denis Pushilin, the leader of the breakaway republic, was quoted as saying by Russian news agencies.
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Advanced Rocket Launcher System Heads to Ukraine

As part of the latest presidential drawdown package for Ukraine — this one worth $700 million dollars — the Defense Department has included four M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or
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The Defense Department has included four M142 High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS. "Right now, the howitzers we provided them have about a 30 km range; the HIMARS have more than twice that, which will allow them — even with fewer systems — greater standoff," ,,, To ensure the most rapid delivery of HIMARS systems to Ukraine, Kahl said DOD pre-positioned systems inside Europe in anticipation of the president's decision to approve their transfer to Ukraine.

"These, of course, are systems that the Ukrainians need to be trained on," he said. "We think that'll take around three weeks. They need to know not just how to use the systems, but, of course, how to maintain the system — so, think of logistics, maintenance, things like that. So, it'll be a number of weeks until that training is complete."
 
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Redditissä oli joskus viikkoja sitten jo kuva isommasta suomalaispoppoosta Ukrainassa. Mutta onko julkisesti mainittu, minkä suuremman organisaation alla pojat taistelevat? Norman?
 
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