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Anatoly Khrapchinsky: on the state of Russian strategic aviation and attacks on Russian airfields
Alexander Matvienko, Yigal LevinSeptember 06, 2023 at 08:34
https://focus.ua/voennye-novosti/59...oy-aviacii-rf-i-ataki-na-rossiyskie-aerodromy
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After a series of successful attacks on Russian airfields, the number of aircraft in service in the Russian army has decreased. Focus talked to aviation expert Anatoly Khrapchinsky about how many of them are still left, whether they are capable of being produced and why they turned out to be so vulnerable .
In recent weeks, air strikes in the deep rear of the Russian Federation have become more frequent. In particular, thanks to special operations, it is possible to hit the strategic aviation of the Russian troops. The first attacks were back in December 2022, but in the summer their number and losses incurred by the enemy increased significantly.
Focus spoke with military expert and former Tu-134 flight engineer Anatoly Khrapchinsky to find out if the Russian Federation has the ability to produce strategic bombers, where to go to burn an entire plane, and also how the F-16 will affect the situation on the battlefield .
Anatoly Khrapchinsky's father was a military engineer on Tupolev series aircraft: Tu-16, Tu-160 and Tu-22M3. Therefore, his childhood passed at those air bases where enemy aircraft are now being destroyed. He knows the Russian bombers quite well.
Anatoly Khrapchinsky in front of the Tu-160 "White Swan"
“I myself flew for 8 years as part of the crew of the Minister of Defense on a Tu-134 aircraft. That is, the Tupolev model is very familiar to me, I personally worked on it, my father worked. -16 and Tu-160 instead of coloring.He also worked for some time at Motor Sich and studied at the Kharkiv Institute of Pilots ( now Kharkiv National University of the Air Force named after Ivan Kozhedub ) and at KhAI ( National Aerospace University named after N.E. Zhukovsky "Kharkiv Aviation institute " ). Therefore, I think that my background for this conversation is quite good," says Khrapchinsky about his childhood and education.
The Ukrainian Air Force often announces an air alert and reports that bombers are taking off. According to Analoty Khrapchinsky, the military learns about this with the help of radar stations that fix an object on the radar. The West also helps in this.
Let's talk about the events of August 19th. The Ukrainian media, citing sources in the GUR, said that two Tu-22M3 strategic bombers were destroyed. There were videos of one of them burning. Why were they so vulnerable that the drop of one copter burned the whole plane?
The Tu-22M3 aircraft, aka Backfire according to the NATO classifier, is actually not designed to operate in the air defense coverage area. Although its developers have announced such possibilities. He either launches missiles at a safe distance, or bombards under the escort of fighters and already when the air defense is destroyed.
But this does not mean that it can be easily destroyed in the air or on the ground. And if we talk about the case at the Soltsy military airfield, then we must understand that even with the aircraft fully refueled (and the aircraft is equipped with an inert gas system - this is filling the free space in the fuel tanks with nitrogen), you need to know where to get, how to get, and how the amount of charge, that is, to create the most impossible conditions. Actually, what we saw. Therefore, in fact, this is no longer about vulnerability, but about a well-planned operation. A very correct approach was chosen and there was a hit in the right places, which led to such consequences.
The destruction of the Tu-22M3 is not about the vulnerability of the aircraft, but about a well-planned operation
Photo: Telegram
And how did it happen that part of the nuclear triad of the Russian Federation at a strategic air base is unprotected in the open? Is it possible to somehow protect aircraft from such attacks?
The airfields on which Russian aviation is based were built in Soviet times and they were located deep in the rear, that is, behind the third line of air defense - and this did not provide for the construction of any shelters. We see that now they are already putting planes in caponiers - earthen embankments around the plane. If you remember, in the first cases they put tires between the planes.
Actually, one must understand that such airfields are not designed to be somewhere close to the combat line. However, they must be under heavy air defense cover, and we see that most of the air defense is located in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories. Therefore, they have large gaps, and secondly, attacks are made thanks to UAVs. Their detection is very complicated due to the fact that they have a small area, so radar stations do not see them.
As a result, aircraft have been based there since Soviet times. We know that after the signing of papers on the reduction of strategic aviation, Engels was supposed to be an airfield for storing strategic aviation, which could have nuclear missiles. The question of historical placement.
The Engels air base was a deep rear, so strategic bombers were in the open
Photo: Schemes
Today (the interview was recorded on August 30 - Ed.) we witnessed another missile attack from the Russian Federation. How much is the Russian ability to strike reduced after the loss of two Tu-22s?
Aviation cannibalism is a reality in which Russian aviation is located . If we talk about the loss of two aircraft, then this is an irretrievable loss, and if we take those that were damaged, then these are two new donors. Why is that? Given the photos we've seen, the planes are unrecoverable. At the very least, it will not be economically profitable to do so. Further: the Russian Federation does not build new Tu-22M3, that is, four new aircraft will not come to replace two destroyed and two damaged aircraft. All they have is the legacy of Soviet aircraft, which is gradually decreasing. This happens either due to the errors of the crew, or the friendlier. From open sources, we know that since 2016 they have lost about 5 Tu-22M3 aircraft due to the actions of the crews. And then there is the UAV hit.
As for the change in operations, most likely they will continue missile attacks, but will fly out in smaller groups and will continue to use the old Tu-95MS.
Tu-95MS is the oldest aircraft among the trio of strategic bombers?
Yes, for you to understand, he appeared back in the days of Stalin. They are approximately next to the American B-52.
Since we've touched on the B-52, we know that the US Air Force plans to operate the aircraft for 100 years. Does the Russian Federation have the opportunity to modernize its own line of aviation?
The United States not only modernizes and improves, but also builds new aircraft, such as the B-21. This is in addition to the B-52 upgrade, but it is very costly. They spend an average of $11 billion per aircraft. Is there any potential for modernization of the Tu-160 or Tu-22? Yes, there is, but will there be money, opportunities and technologies for this? I doubt it. Since the collapse of the USSR, Russia has not created a single new strategic aircraft. Here the question goes to the technicians. They have had engine problems since Soviet times. They are louder, they eat more fuel, so there are a lot of questions. We see that they have problems even with civil aviation. It is unlikely that they will be able to do something. Plus Western sanctions, but they are only now beginning to work, because in fact, only after a year and a half, we saw the refusal to operate Boeing or Aerobus and other aircraft. They are unable to repair them. But this must be watched, because, as in the Soviet Union, "guys with suitcases" flew, fly and will fly. It is very difficult to somehow limit.
It turns out "Frankenstein" ( laughs ). If you recall the A-50 attack in Belarus, then they actively told that nothing had happened. They showed an "absolutely whole" plane, but for some reason it took off along the runway with repainted antennas.
If we recall the Tu-22, then we saw quite a lot of photos with damaged tails. We saw that there was a hit, it was even recognized in the Russian Federation. But since that very incident, we have not heard a single statement about the restoration: "Well done, we did it." They just shut up. The information may be classified, but given that they do not say anything about it, then most likely they went to the conservation base and from there the most relevant and necessary details are drawn from them.
The problem with the Tu-22 is that they are in different series. Some parts from one aircraft may not fit another, despite the fact that this is a mass production. Here's another Lego constructor.
That is, just like with Russian tanks: there is one model, but a lot of versions and one part will not fit another ...
Absolutely. There were a lot of Tu-22 series. They were produced at different times, there were different improvements, as well as "drying" (auxiliary power unit) - it may also not be suitable for another aircraft. It's quite an interesting situation. The "geniuses of Kulibina" of Soviet engineering did very strange things, in some strange way they flew, worked. Therefore, it is necessary to understand this.
How many strategic aircraft does the Russian Federation have in service? Not on paper, but in fact.
If we talk about the Tu-22 and Tu-160, then the well-known Flight Global almanac gives the following figures: 2023 - 59 Tu-22M3 and 15 Tu-160. For 2022 - 66 Tu-22M3. According to the GUR, the Russian Federation has 27 Tu-22M3. In my opinion, there are no more than 12 Tu-22M3 or 5-6 Tu-160 aircraft that can fully perform a combat mission associated with long-range flight and missile launch, and not imitation launches. They hardly use the Tu-160 at all, it was used once or twice during all this time. The enemy hid them very far, because he understands that they cannot risk them. The Tu-95 will run out of resources, the Tu-22, but this one ( Tu-160 - ed .) they still cherish.
And what then is the point during massive shelling to use 5-6 aircraft and launch one missile from them?
The Tu-22M3 aircraft can simultaneously carry up to three Kh-22 or Kh-32 missiles. It would be quite logical to actually launch two aircraft: they fired back and returned. But there are accompanying needs in carrying out such a task: firstly, aircraft are needed to create a large strike group, and secondly, both combat and training sorties take place simultaneously. And most importantly, in order to prevent aviation incidents and the flight performance of the Tu-22M3, it is recommended to fly with only one missile - either under the fuselage or on the wing . For a certain period of operation of the aircraft, it was decided that this was the safest option for operation. You can even google it and see it.
And what can happen in the event of a maximum load of missiles?
There are management issues. If we go back a little further into the history of the Tu-22, and not the Tu-22M3, then he had big problems with control. The pilots among themselves called him "The Widowmaker", because many crews died. Therefore, those shortcomings that were before are now slowly starting to crawl out somewhere.
The Russian Federation has repeatedly written that the modernized and restored Tu-160 "White Swan" is being tested. Can the Russian Federation produce and modernize them, and is there such a possibility with the Tu-22 and Tu-95?
I do not believe in the resumption of production of Tu-160 aircraft. Most likely, we are talking about a partial modernization, but even then, rather, a major overhaul. There is already a need for this in terms of aircraft resources. By the way, all the Tu-160s that Russia has were transferred from Ukraine. At the time when they were handed over and when the documents for the destruction of some aircraft were signed, we know that the planes that had the most resource in reserve were cut. All the old ones were received by Russia. So, basically this is a repair and an attempt to catch up with time in terms of avionics. It all progresses and therefore it is necessary to work out.
Tu-22M3 - there is a modification of the Tu22-M3M. There is such a program, but here a completely logical question arises: the Tu-22 has gone through several stages of modernization since Soviet times - Tu-22M, Tu-22M0, Tu-22M1, Tu-22M2, M3 and even M4. They took place from the 1960s until the collapse of the USSR. Air intake engines changed, there were changes in control units, and so on, each time there was an almost new aircraft. This is what we have already talked about, each model is different from the other. Now the Russian Federation is declaring a deep modernization of the Tu-22M3M, but forgetting about the rather promising M4 for the 1990s. He had a better engine and a better airframe. However, this sample is only in one copy, and that one is in the Diaghilev Museum. Therefore, the expression "we have what we have" suits them.They modernize what they have, they don’t know how to release new ones, but they try to do something with the old ones . The same thing happened with the Tu-95, which was upgraded to the Tu-95MS version so that it could carry Kh-101, Kh-555 missiles. All this is an attempt to keep up with the times.
Why were the Russian Federation able to maintain the production of "Sushki" and "MiGs", but could not maintain the production of strategic bombers?
Strategic aviation requires large budget expenditures. If I'm not mistaken, the maintenance of one Tu-160 aircraft costs about $3 billion a year, something like that. Around that number. Actually, this is one of the reasons why Ukraine refused them, because it is a big pile of money. Although the Tu-160 could be used as our "Mriya" - to launch satellites or space planes. In general, Russian long-range aviation fell into decay after the collapse of the USSR. I had the opportunity to visit Vladivostok. I saw these abandoned airfields, these abandoned planes. At some point, they began to destroy them, and then they lost a lot of time. Although they have a plant in Kazan that repairs and builds the Tu-160, they still just have a cash flow gap, as accountants say, plus they lost a lot of time.
F-16 will allow us to equalize the chances in the air and close some issues. We will protect ourselves from guided bombs, the planes will not be able to fly so close. Further, helicopters will also not be able to. If the Americans provide us with missiles similar to the Storm Shadow, then we will be able to work hard. We already have American missiles on the Su-24 AIM-120. They rebuilt our planes for this, and on the F-16 they will be installed like this. If we talk about assistance with aircraft in general, it would be cool if, in addition to the F-16, we were given several more types of aircraft.
Gripen, for example?
I am all for the Griffin, because in Sweden there is such a cool thing in the doctrine that the aircraft must be military. He should be able to land anywhere. The issue of infrastructure disappears, although the F-16 is not whimsical in essence. They say that they need an ideal runway without a single pothole, but there the only question is that the air intake is very low, you just need to blow the runway in time.
If we talk about the SAAB product, then we already have agreements to receive the Storm Shadow. If we have several planes that can launch these missiles, then if we have 10-15 Gripen that can launch them too, then, excuse me, there will be a "bavovna" in Crimea every 24 hours. Only there would be rockets.
Anatoly Khrapchinsky: on the state of Russian strategic aviation and attacks on Russian airfields
Alexander Matvienko, Yigal LevinSeptember 06, 2023 at 08:34
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After a series of successful attacks on Russian airfields, the number of aircraft in service in the Russian army has decreased. Focus talked to aviation expert Anatoly Khrapchinsky about how many of them are still left, whether they are capable of being produced and why they turned out to be so vulnerable .
In recent weeks, air strikes in the deep rear of the Russian Federation have become more frequent. In particular, thanks to special operations, it is possible to hit the strategic aviation of the Russian troops. The first attacks were back in December 2022, but in the summer their number and losses incurred by the enemy increased significantly.
Focus spoke with military expert and former Tu-134 flight engineer Anatoly Khrapchinsky to find out if the Russian Federation has the ability to produce strategic bombers, where to go to burn an entire plane, and also how the F-16 will affect the situation on the battlefield .
Anatoly Khrapchinsky's father was a military engineer on Tupolev series aircraft: Tu-16, Tu-160 and Tu-22M3. Therefore, his childhood passed at those air bases where enemy aircraft are now being destroyed. He knows the Russian bombers quite well.
Anatoly Khrapchinsky in front of the Tu-160 "White Swan"
“I myself flew for 8 years as part of the crew of the Minister of Defense on a Tu-134 aircraft. That is, the Tupolev model is very familiar to me, I personally worked on it, my father worked. -16 and Tu-160 instead of coloring.He also worked for some time at Motor Sich and studied at the Kharkiv Institute of Pilots ( now Kharkiv National University of the Air Force named after Ivan Kozhedub ) and at KhAI ( National Aerospace University named after N.E. Zhukovsky "Kharkiv Aviation institute " ). Therefore, I think that my background for this conversation is quite good," says Khrapchinsky about his childhood and education.
Attacks on strategic aviation of the Russian Federation - how they hit the Tu-22M3 and can the Russian Federation produce them
The Ukrainian Air Force often announces an air alert and reports that bombers are taking off. According to Analoty Khrapchinsky, the military learns about this with the help of radar stations that fix an object on the radar. The West also helps in this.
Let's talk about the events of August 19th. The Ukrainian media, citing sources in the GUR, said that two Tu-22M3 strategic bombers were destroyed. There were videos of one of them burning. Why were they so vulnerable that the drop of one copter burned the whole plane?
The Tu-22M3 aircraft, aka Backfire according to the NATO classifier, is actually not designed to operate in the air defense coverage area. Although its developers have announced such possibilities. He either launches missiles at a safe distance, or bombards under the escort of fighters and already when the air defense is destroyed.
But this does not mean that it can be easily destroyed in the air or on the ground. And if we talk about the case at the Soltsy military airfield, then we must understand that even with the aircraft fully refueled (and the aircraft is equipped with an inert gas system - this is filling the free space in the fuel tanks with nitrogen), you need to know where to get, how to get, and how the amount of charge, that is, to create the most impossible conditions. Actually, what we saw. Therefore, in fact, this is no longer about vulnerability, but about a well-planned operation. A very correct approach was chosen and there was a hit in the right places, which led to such consequences.
The destruction of the Tu-22M3 is not about the vulnerability of the aircraft, but about a well-planned operation
Photo: Telegram
And how did it happen that part of the nuclear triad of the Russian Federation at a strategic air base is unprotected in the open? Is it possible to somehow protect aircraft from such attacks?
The airfields on which Russian aviation is based were built in Soviet times and they were located deep in the rear, that is, behind the third line of air defense - and this did not provide for the construction of any shelters. We see that now they are already putting planes in caponiers - earthen embankments around the plane. If you remember, in the first cases they put tires between the planes.
Actually, one must understand that such airfields are not designed to be somewhere close to the combat line. However, they must be under heavy air defense cover, and we see that most of the air defense is located in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories. Therefore, they have large gaps, and secondly, attacks are made thanks to UAVs. Their detection is very complicated due to the fact that they have a small area, so radar stations do not see them.
As a result, aircraft have been based there since Soviet times. We know that after the signing of papers on the reduction of strategic aviation, Engels was supposed to be an airfield for storing strategic aviation, which could have nuclear missiles. The question of historical placement.
The Engels air base was a deep rear, so strategic bombers were in the open
Photo: Schemes
Today (the interview was recorded on August 30 - Ed.) we witnessed another missile attack from the Russian Federation. How much is the Russian ability to strike reduced after the loss of two Tu-22s?
Aviation cannibalism is a reality in which Russian aviation is located . If we talk about the loss of two aircraft, then this is an irretrievable loss, and if we take those that were damaged, then these are two new donors. Why is that? Given the photos we've seen, the planes are unrecoverable. At the very least, it will not be economically profitable to do so. Further: the Russian Federation does not build new Tu-22M3, that is, four new aircraft will not come to replace two destroyed and two damaged aircraft. All they have is the legacy of Soviet aircraft, which is gradually decreasing. This happens either due to the errors of the crew, or the friendlier. From open sources, we know that since 2016 they have lost about 5 Tu-22M3 aircraft due to the actions of the crews. And then there is the UAV hit.
As for the change in operations, most likely they will continue missile attacks, but will fly out in smaller groups and will continue to use the old Tu-95MS.
Tu-95MS is the oldest aircraft among the trio of strategic bombers?
Yes, for you to understand, he appeared back in the days of Stalin. They are approximately next to the American B-52.
Since we've touched on the B-52, we know that the US Air Force plans to operate the aircraft for 100 years. Does the Russian Federation have the opportunity to modernize its own line of aviation?
The United States not only modernizes and improves, but also builds new aircraft, such as the B-21. This is in addition to the B-52 upgrade, but it is very costly. They spend an average of $11 billion per aircraft. Is there any potential for modernization of the Tu-160 or Tu-22? Yes, there is, but will there be money, opportunities and technologies for this? I doubt it. Since the collapse of the USSR, Russia has not created a single new strategic aircraft. Here the question goes to the technicians. They have had engine problems since Soviet times. They are louder, they eat more fuel, so there are a lot of questions. We see that they have problems even with civil aviation. It is unlikely that they will be able to do something. Plus Western sanctions, but they are only now beginning to work, because in fact, only after a year and a half, we saw the refusal to operate Boeing or Aerobus and other aircraft. They are unable to repair them. But this must be watched, because, as in the Soviet Union, "guys with suitcases" flew, fly and will fly. It is very difficult to somehow limit.
"Frankenstein planes" and "widowmakers" - what are the problems with the Tu-22M3
Is anything known about the condition of the Russian planes that were damaged by the UAV attack at the end of 2022? And how much does "cannibalism" affect the technical condition of the aircraft, what will happen if one is made up of three aircraft?It turns out "Frankenstein" ( laughs ). If you recall the A-50 attack in Belarus, then they actively told that nothing had happened. They showed an "absolutely whole" plane, but for some reason it took off along the runway with repainted antennas.
If we recall the Tu-22, then we saw quite a lot of photos with damaged tails. We saw that there was a hit, it was even recognized in the Russian Federation. But since that very incident, we have not heard a single statement about the restoration: "Well done, we did it." They just shut up. The information may be classified, but given that they do not say anything about it, then most likely they went to the conservation base and from there the most relevant and necessary details are drawn from them.
The problem with the Tu-22 is that they are in different series. Some parts from one aircraft may not fit another, despite the fact that this is a mass production. Here's another Lego constructor.
That is, just like with Russian tanks: there is one model, but a lot of versions and one part will not fit another ...
Absolutely. There were a lot of Tu-22 series. They were produced at different times, there were different improvements, as well as "drying" (auxiliary power unit) - it may also not be suitable for another aircraft. It's quite an interesting situation. The "geniuses of Kulibina" of Soviet engineering did very strange things, in some strange way they flew, worked. Therefore, it is necessary to understand this.
How many strategic aircraft does the Russian Federation have in service? Not on paper, but in fact.
If we talk about the Tu-22 and Tu-160, then the well-known Flight Global almanac gives the following figures: 2023 - 59 Tu-22M3 and 15 Tu-160. For 2022 - 66 Tu-22M3. According to the GUR, the Russian Federation has 27 Tu-22M3. In my opinion, there are no more than 12 Tu-22M3 or 5-6 Tu-160 aircraft that can fully perform a combat mission associated with long-range flight and missile launch, and not imitation launches. They hardly use the Tu-160 at all, it was used once or twice during all this time. The enemy hid them very far, because he understands that they cannot risk them. The Tu-95 will run out of resources, the Tu-22, but this one ( Tu-160 - ed .) they still cherish.
And what then is the point during massive shelling to use 5-6 aircraft and launch one missile from them?
The Tu-22M3 aircraft can simultaneously carry up to three Kh-22 or Kh-32 missiles. It would be quite logical to actually launch two aircraft: they fired back and returned. But there are accompanying needs in carrying out such a task: firstly, aircraft are needed to create a large strike group, and secondly, both combat and training sorties take place simultaneously. And most importantly, in order to prevent aviation incidents and the flight performance of the Tu-22M3, it is recommended to fly with only one missile - either under the fuselage or on the wing . For a certain period of operation of the aircraft, it was decided that this was the safest option for operation. You can even google it and see it.
And what can happen in the event of a maximum load of missiles?
There are management issues. If we go back a little further into the history of the Tu-22, and not the Tu-22M3, then he had big problems with control. The pilots among themselves called him "The Widowmaker", because many crews died. Therefore, those shortcomings that were before are now slowly starting to crawl out somewhere.
The Russian Federation has repeatedly written that the modernized and restored Tu-160 "White Swan" is being tested. Can the Russian Federation produce and modernize them, and is there such a possibility with the Tu-22 and Tu-95?
I do not believe in the resumption of production of Tu-160 aircraft. Most likely, we are talking about a partial modernization, but even then, rather, a major overhaul. There is already a need for this in terms of aircraft resources. By the way, all the Tu-160s that Russia has were transferred from Ukraine. At the time when they were handed over and when the documents for the destruction of some aircraft were signed, we know that the planes that had the most resource in reserve were cut. All the old ones were received by Russia. So, basically this is a repair and an attempt to catch up with time in terms of avionics. It all progresses and therefore it is necessary to work out.
Tu-22M3 - there is a modification of the Tu22-M3M. There is such a program, but here a completely logical question arises: the Tu-22 has gone through several stages of modernization since Soviet times - Tu-22M, Tu-22M0, Tu-22M1, Tu-22M2, M3 and even M4. They took place from the 1960s until the collapse of the USSR. Air intake engines changed, there were changes in control units, and so on, each time there was an almost new aircraft. This is what we have already talked about, each model is different from the other. Now the Russian Federation is declaring a deep modernization of the Tu-22M3M, but forgetting about the rather promising M4 for the 1990s. He had a better engine and a better airframe. However, this sample is only in one copy, and that one is in the Diaghilev Museum. Therefore, the expression "we have what we have" suits them.They modernize what they have, they don’t know how to release new ones, but they try to do something with the old ones . The same thing happened with the Tu-95, which was upgraded to the Tu-95MS version so that it could carry Kh-101, Kh-555 missiles. All this is an attempt to keep up with the times.
Why were the Russian Federation able to maintain the production of "Sushki" and "MiGs", but could not maintain the production of strategic bombers?
Strategic aviation requires large budget expenditures. If I'm not mistaken, the maintenance of one Tu-160 aircraft costs about $3 billion a year, something like that. Around that number. Actually, this is one of the reasons why Ukraine refused them, because it is a big pile of money. Although the Tu-160 could be used as our "Mriya" - to launch satellites or space planes. In general, Russian long-range aviation fell into decay after the collapse of the USSR. I had the opportunity to visit Vladivostok. I saw these abandoned airfields, these abandoned planes. At some point, they began to destroy them, and then they lost a lot of time. Although they have a plant in Kazan that repairs and builds the Tu-160, they still just have a cash flow gap, as accountants say, plus they lost a lot of time.
F-16 and more. How Western fighters will help
What will happen when we have F-16s - strategic aviation has not flown, and will not fly. And it is not worth expecting that the F-16 will shoot down some kind of "Carcass", because we have certain restrictions from our Western partners, unfortunately.F-16 will allow us to equalize the chances in the air and close some issues. We will protect ourselves from guided bombs, the planes will not be able to fly so close. Further, helicopters will also not be able to. If the Americans provide us with missiles similar to the Storm Shadow, then we will be able to work hard. We already have American missiles on the Su-24 AIM-120. They rebuilt our planes for this, and on the F-16 they will be installed like this. If we talk about assistance with aircraft in general, it would be cool if, in addition to the F-16, we were given several more types of aircraft.
Gripen, for example?
I am all for the Griffin, because in Sweden there is such a cool thing in the doctrine that the aircraft must be military. He should be able to land anywhere. The issue of infrastructure disappears, although the F-16 is not whimsical in essence. They say that they need an ideal runway without a single pothole, but there the only question is that the air intake is very low, you just need to blow the runway in time.
If we talk about the SAAB product, then we already have agreements to receive the Storm Shadow. If we have several planes that can launch these missiles, then if we have 10-15 Gripen that can launch them too, then, excuse me, there will be a "bavovna" in Crimea every 24 hours. Only there would be rockets.
Jos tuo summa pitää paikkansa niin missään tapauksessa Ukrainan ei pidä noita edes yrittää tuhota. Aiheuttavat enemmän vahinkoa Venäjälle rosterissa ollessaan kuin Ukrainalle.Kieltämättä 3 miljardia dollaria per pommikone on uskomattoman suurelta kuulostava summa. Oletan että tarkoitetaan ruplia. Toisaalta Tu-160 on heille harvinainen ja vähälukuinen pommikone, josta on kuultu aikaisemminkin että viettävät valtaosan ajasta huollettavina. Tämän sodan aikana niitä ei ole juurikaan nähty, ei ainakaan sotatoimissa.
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Anatoly Khrapchinsky: on the state of Russian strategic aviation and attacks on Russian airfields
Alexander Matvienko, Yigal Levin
September 06, 2023 at 08:34
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Anatoly Khrapchinsky: on the state of Russian strategic aviation and attacks on Russian airfields
Alexander Matvienko, Yigal Levin
September 06, 2023 at 08:34
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After a series of successful attacks on Russian airfields, the number of aircraft in service in the Russian army has decreased. Focus talked to aviation expert Anatoly Khrapchinsky about how many of them are still left, whether they are capable of being produced and why they turned out to be so vulnerable .
In recent weeks, air strikes in the deep rear of the Russian Federation have become more frequent. In particular, thanks to special operations, it is possible to hit the strategic aviation of the Russian troops. The first attacks were back in December 2022, but in the summer their number and losses incurred by the enemy increased significantly.
Focus spoke with military expert and former Tu-134 flight engineer Anatoly Khrapchinsky to find out if the Russian Federation has the ability to produce strategic bombers, where to go to burn an entire plane, and also how the F-16 will affect the situation on the battlefield .
Anatoly Khrapchinsky's father was a military engineer on Tupolev series aircraft: Tu-16, Tu-160 and Tu-22M3. Therefore, his childhood passed at those air bases where enemy aircraft are now being destroyed. He knows the Russian bombers quite well.
Anatoly Khrapchinsky in front of the Tu-160 "White Swan"
“I myself flew for 8 years as part of the crew of the Minister of Defense on a Tu-134 aircraft. That is, the Tupolev model is very familiar to me, I personally worked on it, my father worked. -16 and Tu-160 instead of coloring.He also worked for some time at Motor Sich and studied at the Kharkiv Institute of Pilots ( now Kharkiv National University of the Air Force named after Ivan Kozhedub ) and at KhAI ( National Aerospace University named after N.E. Zhukovsky "Kharkiv Aviation institute " ). Therefore, I think that my background for this conversation is quite good," says Khrapchinsky about his childhood and education.
Attacks on strategic aviation of the Russian Federation - how they hit the Tu-22M3 and can the Russian Federation produce them
The Ukrainian Air Force often announces an air alert and reports that bombers are taking off. According to Analoty Khrapchinsky, the military learns about this with the help of radar stations that fix an object on the radar. The West also helps in this.
Let's talk about the events of August 19th. The Ukrainian media, citing sources in the GUR, said that two Tu-22M3 strategic bombers were destroyed. There were videos of one of them burning. Why were they so vulnerable that the drop of one copter burned the whole plane?
The Tu-22M3 aircraft, aka Backfire according to the NATO classifier, is actually not designed to operate in the air defense coverage area. Although its developers have announced such possibilities. He either launches missiles at a safe distance, or bombards under the escort of fighters and already when the air defense is destroyed.
But this does not mean that it can be easily destroyed in the air or on the ground. And if we talk about the case at the Soltsy military airfield, then we must understand that even with the aircraft fully refueled (and the aircraft is equipped with an inert gas system - this is filling the free space in the fuel tanks with nitrogen), you need to know where to get, how to get, and how the amount of charge, that is, to create the most impossible conditions. Actually, what we saw. Therefore, in fact, this is no longer about vulnerability, but about a well-planned operation. A very correct approach was chosen and there was a hit in the right places, which led to such consequences.
The destruction of the Tu-22M3 is not about the vulnerability of the aircraft, but about a well-planned operation
Photo: Telegram
And how did it happen that part of the nuclear triad of the Russian Federation at a strategic air base is unprotected in the open? Is it possible to somehow protect aircraft from such attacks?
The airfields on which Russian aviation is based were built in Soviet times and they were located deep in the rear, that is, behind the third line of air defense - and this did not provide for the construction of any shelters. We see that now they are already putting planes in caponiers - earthen embankments around the plane. If you remember, in the first cases they put tires between the planes.
Actually, one must understand that such airfields are not designed to be somewhere close to the combat line. However, they must be under heavy air defense cover, and we see that most of the air defense is located in the temporarily occupied Ukrainian territories. Therefore, they have large gaps, and secondly, attacks are made thanks to UAVs. Their detection is very complicated due to the fact that they have a small area, so radar stations do not see them.
As a result, aircraft have been based there since Soviet times. We know that after the signing of papers on the reduction of strategic aviation, Engels was supposed to be an airfield for storing strategic aviation, which could have nuclear missiles. The question of historical placement.
The Engels air base was a deep rear, so strategic bombers were in the open
Photo: Schemes
Today (the interview was recorded on August 30 - Ed.) we witnessed another missile attack from the Russian Federation. How much is the Russian ability to strike reduced after the loss of two Tu-22s?
Aviation cannibalism is a reality in which Russian aviation is located . If we talk about the loss of two aircraft, then this is an irretrievable loss, and if we take those that were damaged, then these are two new donors. Why is that? Given the photos we've seen, the planes are unrecoverable. At the very least, it will not be economically profitable to do so. Further: the Russian Federation does not build new Tu-22M3, that is, four new aircraft will not come to replace two destroyed and two damaged aircraft. All they have is the legacy of Soviet aircraft, which is gradually decreasing. This happens either due to the errors of the crew, or the friendlier. From open sources, we know that since 2016 they have lost about 5 Tu-22M3 aircraft due to the actions of the crews. And then there is the UAV hit.
As for the change in operations, most likely they will continue missile attacks, but will fly out in smaller groups and will continue to use the old Tu-95MS.
Tu-95MS is the oldest aircraft among the trio of strategic bombers?
Yes, for you to understand, he appeared back in the days of Stalin. They are approximately next to the American B-52.
Since we've touched on the B-52, we know that the US Air Force plans to operate the aircraft for 100 years. Does the Russian Federation have the opportunity to modernize its own line of aviation?
The United States not only modernizes and improves, but also builds new aircraft, such as the B-21. This is in addition to the B-52 upgrade, but it is very costly. They spend an average of $11 billion per aircraft. Is there any potential for modernization of the Tu-160 or Tu-22? Yes, there is, but will there be money, opportunities and technologies for this? I doubt it. Since the collapse of the USSR, Russia has not created a single new strategic aircraft. Here the question goes to the technicians. They have had engine problems since Soviet times. They are louder, they eat more fuel, so there are a lot of questions. We see that they have problems even with civil aviation. It is unlikely that they will be able to do something. Plus Western sanctions, but they are only now beginning to work, because in fact, only after a year and a half, we saw the refusal to operate Boeing or Aerobus and other aircraft. They are unable to repair them. But this must be watched, because, as in the Soviet Union, "guys with suitcases" flew, fly and will fly. It is very difficult to somehow limit.
"Frankenstein planes" and "widowmakers" - what are the problems with the Tu-22M3
Is anything known about the condition of the Russian planes that were damaged by the UAV attack at the end of 2022? And how much does "cannibalism" affect the technical condition of the aircraft, what will happen if one is made up of three aircraft?
It turns out "Frankenstein" ( laughs ). If you recall the A-50 attack in Belarus, then they actively told that nothing had happened. They showed an "absolutely whole" plane, but for some reason it took off along the runway with repainted antennas.
If we recall the Tu-22, then we saw quite a lot of photos with damaged tails. We saw that there was a hit, it was even recognized in the Russian Federation. But since that very incident, we have not heard a single statement about the restoration: "Well done, we did it." They just shut up. The information may be classified, but given that they do not say anything about it, then most likely they went to the conservation base and from there the most relevant and necessary details are drawn from them.
The problem with the Tu-22 is that they are in different series. Some parts from one aircraft may not fit another, despite the fact that this is a mass production. Here's another Lego constructor.
That is, just like with Russian tanks: there is one model, but a lot of versions and one part will not fit another ...
Absolutely. There were a lot of Tu-22 series. They were produced at different times, there were different improvements, as well as "drying" (auxiliary power unit) - it may also not be suitable for another aircraft. It's quite an interesting situation. The "geniuses of Kulibina" of Soviet engineering did very strange things, in some strange way they flew, worked. Therefore, it is necessary to understand this.
How many strategic aircraft does the Russian Federation have in service? Not on paper, but in fact.
If we talk about the Tu-22 and Tu-160, then the well-known Flight Global almanac gives the following figures: 2023 - 59 Tu-22M3 and 15 Tu-160. For 2022 - 66 Tu-22M3. According to the GUR, the Russian Federation has 27 Tu-22M3. In my opinion, there are no more than 12 Tu-22M3 or 5-6 Tu-160 aircraft that can fully perform a combat mission associated with long-range flight and missile launch, and not imitation launches. They hardly use the Tu-160 at all, it was used once or twice during all this time. The enemy hid them very far, because he understands that they cannot risk them. The Tu-95 will run out of resources, the Tu-22, but this one ( Tu-160 - ed .) they still cherish.
And what then is the point during massive shelling to use 5-6 aircraft and launch one missile from them?
The Tu-22M3 aircraft can simultaneously carry up to three Kh-22 or Kh-32 missiles. It would be quite logical to actually launch two aircraft: they fired back and returned. But there are accompanying needs in carrying out such a task: firstly, aircraft are needed to create a large strike group, and secondly, both combat and training sorties take place simultaneously. And most importantly, in order to prevent aviation incidents and the flight performance of the Tu-22M3, it is recommended to fly with only one missile - either under the fuselage or on the wing . For a certain period of operation of the aircraft, it was decided that this was the safest option for operation. You can even google it and see it.
And what can happen in the event of a maximum load of missiles?
There are management issues. If we go back a little further into the history of the Tu-22, and not the Tu-22M3, then he had big problems with control. The pilots among themselves called him "The Widowmaker", because many crews died. Therefore, those shortcomings that were before are now slowly starting to crawl out somewhere.
The Russian Federation has repeatedly written that the modernized and restored Tu-160 "White Swan" is being tested. Can the Russian Federation produce and modernize them, and is there such a possibility with the Tu-22 and Tu-95?
I do not believe in the resumption of production of Tu-160 aircraft. Most likely, we are talking about a partial modernization, but even then, rather, a major overhaul. There is already a need for this in terms of aircraft resources. By the way, all the Tu-160s that Russia has were transferred from Ukraine. At the time when they were handed over and when the documents for the destruction of some aircraft were signed, we know that the planes that had the most resource in reserve were cut. All the old ones were received by Russia. So, basically this is a repair and an attempt to catch up with time in terms of avionics. It all progresses and therefore it is necessary to work out.
Tu-22M3 - there is a modification of the Tu22-M3M. There is such a program, but here a completely logical question arises: the Tu-22 has gone through several stages of modernization since Soviet times - Tu-22M, Tu-22M0, Tu-22M1, Tu-22M2, M3 and even M4. They took place from the 1960s until the collapse of the USSR. Air intake engines changed, there were changes in control units, and so on, each time there was an almost new aircraft. This is what we have already talked about, each model is different from the other. Now the Russian Federation is declaring a deep modernization of the Tu-22M3M, but forgetting about the rather promising M4 for the 1990s. He had a better engine and a better airframe. However, this sample is only in one copy, and that one is in the Diaghilev Museum. Therefore, the expression "we have what we have" suits them.They modernize what they have, they don’t know how to release new ones, but they try to do something with the old ones . The same thing happened with the Tu-95, which was upgraded to the Tu-95MS version so that it could carry Kh-101, Kh-555 missiles. All this is an attempt to keep up with the times.
Why were the Russian Federation able to maintain the production of "Sushki" and "MiGs", but could not maintain the production of strategic bombers?
Strategic aviation requires large budget expenditures. If I'm not mistaken, the maintenance of one Tu-160 aircraft costs about $3 billion a year, something like that. Around that number. Actually, this is one of the reasons why Ukraine refused them, because it is a big pile of money. Although the Tu-160 could be used as our "Mriya" - to launch satellites or space planes. In general, Russian long-range aviation fell into decay after the collapse of the USSR. I had the opportunity to visit Vladivostok. I saw these abandoned airfields, these abandoned planes. At some point, they began to destroy them, and then they lost a lot of time. Although they have a plant in Kazan that repairs and builds the Tu-160, they still just have a cash flow gap, as accountants say, plus they lost a lot of time.
F-16 and more. How Western fighters will help
What will happen when we have F-16s - strategic aviation has not flown, and will not fly. And it is not worth expecting that the F-16 will shoot down some kind of "Carcass", because we have certain restrictions from our Western partners, unfortunately.
F-16 will allow us to equalize the chances in the air and close some issues. We will protect ourselves from guided bombs, the planes will not be able to fly so close. Further, helicopters will also not be able to. If the Americans provide us with missiles similar to the Storm Shadow, then we will be able to work hard. We already have American missiles on the Su-24 AIM-120. They rebuilt our planes for this, and on the F-16 they will be installed like this. If we talk about assistance with aircraft in general, it would be cool if, in addition to the F-16, we were given several more types of aircraft.
Gripen, for example?
I am all for the Griffin, because in Sweden there is such a cool thing in the doctrine that the aircraft must be military. He should be able to land anywhere. The issue of infrastructure disappears, although the F-16 is not whimsical in essence. They say that they need an ideal runway without a single pothole, but there the only question is that the air intake is very low, you just need to blow the runway in time.
If we talk about the SAAB product, then we already have agreements to receive the Storm Shadow. If we have several planes that can launch these missiles, then if we have 10-15 Gripen that can launch them too, then, excuse me, there will be a "bavovna" in Crimea every 24 hours. Only there would be rockets.
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Ruplien vaihtaminen dollareiksi tai muuhun valuuttaan on tällä hetkellä hyvin epämääräinen salatiede, mutta 25.1.2018 allekirjoitetun sopimuksen mukaan tultaisiin valmistamaan 10 kpl "uusia" Tu-160M pommikoneita vuoteen 2027 mennessä ja sopimuksen hintalappu oli bmpd-blogin mukaan 160 miljardia ruplaa. Täten kun koko sopimus jyvitetään per pommikone, hintaa tulee 16 miljardia ruplaa per kone. LÄHDE
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
Toki siihen sisältyvät "kaikki kustannukset" joten ei kerro suoraan "yhden koneen hintaa". Näiden "uusien koneiden" (mitä se sitten tarkoittakaan) lisäksi modernisoivat samaan aikaan "vanhoja koneita" Tu-160M varianttia vastaaviksi.
Lainaan alle bmpd-blogin tilannekatsauksen vuoden 2022 lopusta (artikkeli julkaistu 30.12.2022):
The second Tu-160M bomber of new construction and the fourth modernized aircraft were rolled out
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
The second Tu-160M bomber of new construction and the fourth modernized aircraft were rolled out
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC) announced on December 30, 2022 that two regular Tu-160M strategic missile carriers developed by PJSC Tupolev (part of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation of Rostec State Corporation) were transferred for flight tests. This is the first aircraft mass-produced under the Tu-160M reproduction program and a combat aircraft that has undergone a deep modernization.
Rolled out at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov - a branch of Tupolev PJSC, the fourth sample of the Tu-160 strategic bomber that has been upgraded to the level of Tu-160M. The remnants of the image of the flag of the Russian Air Force are visible on the bow, which was previously part of the coloring of the Tu-160 combat bombers. Kazan, December 2022 (c) United Aircraft Corporation PJSC
The flight test station will carry out the necessary tests of aircraft systems and engines, as well as avionics. After that, the aircraft will be transferred to the operating organization.
“The Tu-160 is the most important part of the Russian nuclear triad, so the modernization of combat vehicles and the resumption of production of these strategic bombers is our priority task. The updated missile carriers surpass their predecessors in their characteristics, they received new on-board radio-electronic equipment, NK-32-02 engines and other systems. In the coming years, the production of these machines will increase,” said Sergey Chemezov, General Director of Rostec State Corporation.
From the bmpd side, we indicate that, thus, as can be understood, at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov, a branch of Tupolev PJSC in Kazan, the second Tu-160M strategic bomber of the new construction and the fourth model of the Tu-160 strategic bomber upgraded to the Tu-160M level were pumped out and transferred to the flight test station of the plant. Their first flights, apparently, have not yet taken place.
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
On December 30, 2022, the UAC issued a press release stating that in December the first newly manufactured prototype of the Tu-160M strategic missile carrier had flown again and that the factory test program had been completed on the aircraft. “As part of the flight, maneuvers were performed to check the stability and controllability of the aircraft in the air, the performance of aircraft systems and engines, as well as on-board radio-electronic equipment.” Judging by the photographs circulated at the same time, the first built Tu-160M has already received almost full color.
Now it has been announced that the second Tu-160M aircraft built at KAZ under the contract in 2018 will be rolled out. This aircraft is believed to have serial number 9-01.
As for the program of modernization of already manufactured Tu-160 bombers to the level of Tu-160M, the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M strategic bomber was converted from a combat bomber with serial number 4-05 and the name "Igor Sikorsky", which previously had tail number "14 " and registration number RF-94103. The aircraft made its first flight after the completion of the re-equipment at the Kazan Aviation Plant on February 2, 2020. Then, new engines NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) were installed on the aircraft for testing, the first flight with which at the KAZ airfield was made on November 3, 2020. After completing the flight test phase, this aircraft flew on March 10, 2021to continue testing from Kazan to the flight test and development base of Tupolev PJSC in Zhukovsky.
The second aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M, apparently, was a bomber with serial number 4-01 and the name "Boris Veremey" (previously had tail number "09"). This aircraft with the new registration number RF-94444, immediately equipped with new NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) engines, began flight tests in September 2021.
The third aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M (serial number unknown) made its first flightin Kazan in December 2022. Now the fourth aircraft, which has completed the modernization to the level of the Tu-160M, has been rolled out. It is unpainted and its serial number is also unknown, however, on the nose, the remnants of the image of the Russian Air Force flag, which previously adorned the Tu-160 combat bombers, are visible. It is possible that one of these aircraft is a plane with the name "Valentin Bliznyuk" (serial number 2-02, previously had tail number "19" and registration number RF-94113), which has been at KAZ since March 2016.
The first modernized strategic bomber Tu-160M (probable serial number 8-05) of the new construction of the Kazan Aviation Plant - a branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (as part of PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation") in the next flight. Kazan,
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC) announced on December 30, 2022 that two regular Tu-160M strategic missile carriers developed by PJSC Tupolev (part of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation of Rostec State Corporation) were transferred for flight tests. This is the first aircraft mass-produced under the Tu-160M reproduction program and a combat aircraft that has undergone a deep modernization.
Rolled out at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov - a branch of Tupolev PJSC, the fourth sample of the Tu-160 strategic bomber that has been upgraded to the level of Tu-160M. The remnants of the image of the flag of the Russian Air Force are visible on the bow, which was previously part of the coloring of the Tu-160 combat bombers. Kazan, December 2022 (c) United Aircraft Corporation PJSC
The flight test station will carry out the necessary tests of aircraft systems and engines, as well as avionics. After that, the aircraft will be transferred to the operating organization.
“The Tu-160 is the most important part of the Russian nuclear triad, so the modernization of combat vehicles and the resumption of production of these strategic bombers is our priority task. The updated missile carriers surpass their predecessors in their characteristics, they received new on-board radio-electronic equipment, NK-32-02 engines and other systems. In the coming years, the production of these machines will increase,” said Sergey Chemezov, General Director of Rostec State Corporation.
From the bmpd side, we indicate that, thus, as can be understood, at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov, a branch of Tupolev PJSC in Kazan, the second Tu-160M strategic bomber of the new construction and the fourth model of the Tu-160 strategic bomber upgraded to the Tu-160M level were pumped out and transferred to the flight test station of the plant. Their first flights, apparently, have not yet taken place.
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
On December 30, 2022, the UAC issued a press release stating that in December the first newly manufactured prototype of the Tu-160M strategic missile carrier had flown again and that the factory test program had been completed on the aircraft. “As part of the flight, maneuvers were performed to check the stability and controllability of the aircraft in the air, the performance of aircraft systems and engines, as well as on-board radio-electronic equipment.” Judging by the photographs circulated at the same time, the first built Tu-160M has already received almost full color.
Now it has been announced that the second Tu-160M aircraft built at KAZ under the contract in 2018 will be rolled out. This aircraft is believed to have serial number 9-01.
As for the program of modernization of already manufactured Tu-160 bombers to the level of Tu-160M, the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M strategic bomber was converted from a combat bomber with serial number 4-05 and the name "Igor Sikorsky", which previously had tail number "14 " and registration number RF-94103. The aircraft made its first flight after the completion of the re-equipment at the Kazan Aviation Plant on February 2, 2020. Then, new engines NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) were installed on the aircraft for testing, the first flight with which at the KAZ airfield was made on November 3, 2020. After completing the flight test phase, this aircraft flew on March 10, 2021to continue testing from Kazan to the flight test and development base of Tupolev PJSC in Zhukovsky.
The second aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M, apparently, was a bomber with serial number 4-01 and the name "Boris Veremey" (previously had tail number "09"). This aircraft with the new registration number RF-94444, immediately equipped with new NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) engines, began flight tests in September 2021.
The third aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M (serial number unknown) made its first flightin Kazan in December 2022. Now the fourth aircraft, which has completed the modernization to the level of the Tu-160M, has been rolled out. It is unpainted and its serial number is also unknown, however, on the nose, the remnants of the image of the Russian Air Force flag, which previously adorned the Tu-160 combat bombers, are visible. It is possible that one of these aircraft is a plane with the name "Valentin Bliznyuk" (serial number 2-02, previously had tail number "19" and registration number RF-94113), which has been at KAZ since March 2016.
The first modernized strategic bomber Tu-160M (probable serial number 8-05) of the new construction of the Kazan Aviation Plant - a branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (as part of PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation") in the next flight. Kazan,
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Bmpd-blogin ennuste vuodelle 2023 (alleviivaus minun, artikkeli julkaistu 11.1.2023): LÄHDE
According to our estimates, in 2023 the supply of combat aircraft to the Ministry of Defense may be increased, which is primarily due to the stabilization effect in the implementation of existing and signed contracts, as well as certain measures to intensify military production within the framework of the NMD. It is estimated that seven Su-57 aircraft, up to 12 Su-35S, up to 12 Su-34, up to 10 Su-30SM2 and up to 12 Yak-130, can be delivered, as well as one or two strategic bombers Tu-160M of new production ( already built boards 8-05 and 9-01). In military transport aviation, up to four Il-76MD-90A aircraft and the first serial tanker aircraft Il-78M-90A can be handed over.
Kuinkas sattuikaan tulemaan vastaan tämä, Shoigu lupaa 4 uutta TU-160M:ää tälle vuottaRuplien vaihtaminen dollareiksi tai muuhun valuuttaan on tällä hetkellä hyvin epämääräinen salatiede, mutta 25.1.2018 allekirjoitetun sopimuksen mukaan tultaisiin valmistamaan 10 kpl "uusia" Tu-160M pommikoneita vuoteen 2027 mennessä ja sopimuksen hintalappu oli bmpd-blogin mukaan 160 miljardia ruplaa. Täten kun koko sopimus jyvitetään per pommikone, hintaa tulee 16 miljardia ruplaa per kone. LÄHDE
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
Toki siihen sisältyvät "kaikki kustannukset" joten ei kerro suoraan "yhden koneen hintaa". Näiden "uusien koneiden" (mitä se sitten tarkoittakaan) lisäksi modernisoivat samaan aikaan "vanhoja koneita" Tu-160M varianttia vastaaviksi.
Lainaan alle bmpd-blogin tilannekatsauksen vuoden 2022 lopusta (artikkeli julkaistu 30.12.2022):
The second Tu-160M bomber of new construction and the fourth modernized aircraft were rolled out
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
The second Tu-160M bomber of new construction and the fourth modernized aircraft were rolled out
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC) announced on December 30, 2022 that two regular Tu-160M strategic missile carriers developed by PJSC Tupolev (part of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation of Rostec State Corporation) were transferred for flight tests. This is the first aircraft mass-produced under the Tu-160M reproduction program and a combat aircraft that has undergone a deep modernization.
Rolled out at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov - a branch of Tupolev PJSC, the fourth sample of the Tu-160 strategic bomber that has been upgraded to the level of Tu-160M. The remnants of the image of the flag of the Russian Air Force are visible on the bow, which was previously part of the coloring of the Tu-160 combat bombers. Kazan, December 2022 (c) United Aircraft Corporation PJSC
The flight test station will carry out the necessary tests of aircraft systems and engines, as well as avionics. After that, the aircraft will be transferred to the operating organization.
“The Tu-160 is the most important part of the Russian nuclear triad, so the modernization of combat vehicles and the resumption of production of these strategic bombers is our priority task. The updated missile carriers surpass their predecessors in their characteristics, they received new on-board radio-electronic equipment, NK-32-02 engines and other systems. In the coming years, the production of these machines will increase,” said Sergey Chemezov, General Director of Rostec State Corporation.
From the bmpd side, we indicate that, thus, as can be understood, at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov, a branch of Tupolev PJSC in Kazan, the second Tu-160M strategic bomber of the new construction and the fourth model of the Tu-160 strategic bomber upgraded to the Tu-160M level were pumped out and transferred to the flight test station of the plant. Their first flights, apparently, have not yet taken place.
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
On December 30, 2022, the UAC issued a press release stating that in December the first newly manufactured prototype of the Tu-160M strategic missile carrier had flown again and that the factory test program had been completed on the aircraft. “As part of the flight, maneuvers were performed to check the stability and controllability of the aircraft in the air, the performance of aircraft systems and engines, as well as on-board radio-electronic equipment.” Judging by the photographs circulated at the same time, the first built Tu-160M has already received almost full color.
Now it has been announced that the second Tu-160M aircraft built at KAZ under the contract in 2018 will be rolled out. This aircraft is believed to have serial number 9-01.
As for the program of modernization of already manufactured Tu-160 bombers to the level of Tu-160M, the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M strategic bomber was converted from a combat bomber with serial number 4-05 and the name "Igor Sikorsky", which previously had tail number "14 " and registration number RF-94103. The aircraft made its first flight after the completion of the re-equipment at the Kazan Aviation Plant on February 2, 2020. Then, new engines NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) were installed on the aircraft for testing, the first flight with which at the KAZ airfield was made on November 3, 2020. After completing the flight test phase, this aircraft flew on March 10, 2021to continue testing from Kazan to the flight test and development base of Tupolev PJSC in Zhukovsky.
The second aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M, apparently, was a bomber with serial number 4-01 and the name "Boris Veremey" (previously had tail number "09"). This aircraft with the new registration number RF-94444, immediately equipped with new NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) engines, began flight tests in September 2021.
The third aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M (serial number unknown) made its first flightin Kazan in December 2022. Now the fourth aircraft, which has completed the modernization to the level of the Tu-160M, has been rolled out. It is unpainted and its serial number is also unknown, however, on the nose, the remnants of the image of the Russian Air Force flag, which previously adorned the Tu-160 combat bombers, are visible. It is possible that one of these aircraft is a plane with the name "Valentin Bliznyuk" (serial number 2-02, previously had tail number "19" and registration number RF-94113), which has been at KAZ since March 2016.
The first modernized strategic bomber Tu-160M (probable serial number 8-05) of the new construction of the Kazan Aviation Plant - a branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (as part of PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation") in the next flight. Kazan,
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Bmpd-blogin ennuste vuodelle 2023 (alleviivaus minun, artikkeli julkaistu 11.1.2023): LÄHDE
According to our estimates, in 2023 the supply of combat aircraft to the Ministry of Defense may be increased, which is primarily due to the stabilization effect in the implementation of existing and signed contracts, as well as certain measures to intensify military production within the framework of the NMD. It is estimated that seven Su-57 aircraft, up to 12 Su-35S, up to 12 Su-34, up to 10 Su-30SM2 and up to 12 Yak-130, can be delivered, as well as one or two strategic bombers Tu-160M of new production ( already built boards 8-05 and 9-01). In military transport aviation, up to four Il-76MD-90A aircraft and the first serial tanker aircraft Il-78M-90A can be handed over.
Coffee Man
Respected Leader
Tämä on loistava idea ja näyttää toimivan myös ihan käytännössä 
Ukrainan puolelle loikannut Venäjän armeijan helikopterilentäjä Maksim Kuzminov saa palkkioksi teostaan noin 500 000 dollarin (n. 466 000 euron) summan. Asiasta kertoi Kyiv Independentille tiistaina Ukrainan sotilastiedustelun HUR:in tiedottaja Andri Jusov.
Puolta vaihtaessaan 28-vuotias Kuzminov toimitti Ukrainan armeijalle myös Venäjän armeijalle kuuluvan Mi-8-helikopterin. Hänen on kerrottu antaneen Ukrainalle lisäksi myös arvokasta tietoa Venäjän armeijan ilmailutoiminasta, viestiliikennejärjestelmistä sekä lentokenttäverkostosta.
Ukrainan parlamentti hyväksyi huhtikuussa 2022 lain, jonka myötä Venäjän armeijan kalustoa Ukrainan armeijalle luovuttaville venäläissotilaille voidaan maksaa jopa miljoona dollaria vastineeksi. Summan suuruus riippuu luovutetun kaluston tyypistä.
Ukrainan puolelle loikannut Venäjän armeijan helikopterilentäjä Maksim Kuzminov saa palkkioksi teostaan noin 500 000 dollarin (n. 466 000 euron) summan. Asiasta kertoi Kyiv Independentille tiistaina Ukrainan sotilastiedustelun HUR:in tiedottaja Andri Jusov.
Puolta vaihtaessaan 28-vuotias Kuzminov toimitti Ukrainan armeijalle myös Venäjän armeijalle kuuluvan Mi-8-helikopterin. Hänen on kerrottu antaneen Ukrainalle lisäksi myös arvokasta tietoa Venäjän armeijan ilmailutoiminasta, viestiliikennejärjestelmistä sekä lentokenttäverkostosta.
Ukrainan parlamentti hyväksyi huhtikuussa 2022 lain, jonka myötä Venäjän armeijan kalustoa Ukrainan armeijalle luovuttaville venäläissotilaille voidaan maksaa jopa miljoona dollaria vastineeksi. Summan suuruus riippuu luovutetun kaluston tyypistä.
Mikfin70
Ylipäällikkö
Niin 22 vuoden kokemus toiminnasta SA-komppanian päällikkönä PSV ja SuojK ei näköjään riitä siihen, että osaan arvoida oikeaa omaa tapaa johtaa vaikka Suomalaisessa maastossa.
Mietin miten se PsvKpääll hyödyntää dronea, kun pitää tuijottaa sitä kuvaruutua ja johtaa 4 joukkuetta? Ja onhan sillä komentoryhmällä myös radio millä tilanteen voi välittää samalla tavalla kuin kärkijoukkue tekee.
Kyllä käyn vanhaa sotaa missä tilannetta johdetaan myös management by perkele tavalla. Mennäänpä suon yli että heilahtaa..
Kuinka pitkä kokemus sinulla on komppanian johtamisesta ja millaisen komppanian?
PS. Mikään tekninen laite ei vielä pitkään aikaan korvaa omilla asteilla tehtyjä havaintoja taistelukentällä. Kuvaruudun kautta ei välity taistelijan pelko, vaan johtajan pitää näyttää välillä esimerkkiä ja vetää miehet mukaan.
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teknohippi
Ylipäällikkö
Näissä ryssän laskelmissa pitää otta huomioon se korruptiolisä kun jokainen porras haluaa sen 30% välistä itselleen. Kun noita lentokoneita on vähän niin noin pitkälle osaa laskea ylinkin ryssä joten ne koneet pitää oikeasti tehdä. Budjetti sitten sen mukaan että ne koneet syntyy ja korruptiorahat voi vetää välistä.Ruplien vaihtaminen dollareiksi tai muuhun valuuttaan on tällä hetkellä hyvin epämääräinen salatiede, mutta 25.1.2018 allekirjoitetun sopimuksen mukaan tultaisiin valmistamaan 10 kpl "uusia" Tu-160M pommikoneita vuoteen 2027 mennessä ja sopimuksen hintalappu oli bmpd-blogin mukaan 160 miljardia ruplaa. Täten kun koko sopimus jyvitetään per pommikone, hintaa tulee 16 miljardia ruplaa per kone. LÄHDE
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
Toki siihen sisältyvät "kaikki kustannukset" joten ei kerro suoraan "yhden koneen hintaa". Näiden "uusien koneiden" (mitä se sitten tarkoittakaan) lisäksi modernisoivat samaan aikaan "vanhoja koneita" Tu-160M varianttia vastaaviksi.
Lainaan alle bmpd-blogin tilannekatsauksen vuoden 2022 lopusta (artikkeli julkaistu 30.12.2022):
The second Tu-160M bomber of new construction and the fourth modernized aircraft were rolled out
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
The second Tu-160M bomber of new construction and the fourth modernized aircraft were rolled out
bmpd
December 30th, 2022
PJSC United Aircraft Corporation (PJSC UAC) announced on December 30, 2022 that two regular Tu-160M strategic missile carriers developed by PJSC Tupolev (part of PJSC United Aircraft Corporation of Rostec State Corporation) were transferred for flight tests. This is the first aircraft mass-produced under the Tu-160M reproduction program and a combat aircraft that has undergone a deep modernization.
Rolled out at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov - a branch of Tupolev PJSC, the fourth sample of the Tu-160 strategic bomber that has been upgraded to the level of Tu-160M. The remnants of the image of the flag of the Russian Air Force are visible on the bow, which was previously part of the coloring of the Tu-160 combat bombers. Kazan, December 2022 (c) United Aircraft Corporation PJSC
The flight test station will carry out the necessary tests of aircraft systems and engines, as well as avionics. After that, the aircraft will be transferred to the operating organization.
“The Tu-160 is the most important part of the Russian nuclear triad, so the modernization of combat vehicles and the resumption of production of these strategic bombers is our priority task. The updated missile carriers surpass their predecessors in their characteristics, they received new on-board radio-electronic equipment, NK-32-02 engines and other systems. In the coming years, the production of these machines will increase,” said Sergey Chemezov, General Director of Rostec State Corporation.
From the bmpd side, we indicate that, thus, as can be understood, at the Kazan Aviation Plant (KAZ) named after S.P. Gobunov, a branch of Tupolev PJSC in Kazan, the second Tu-160M strategic bomber of the new construction and the fourth model of the Tu-160 strategic bomber upgraded to the Tu-160M level were pumped out and transferred to the flight test station of the plant. Their first flights, apparently, have not yet taken place.
Recall that on January 25, 2018, the Ministry of Defense of Russia in the presence of the President of Russia V.V. Putin signed a contract with Tupolev PJSC in Kazanworth 160 billion rubles for the construction until 2027 of ten new Tu-160M bombers (also sometimes referred to as Tu-160M2). The first (experimental) Tu-160M bomber built under this contract (serial number 8-05) was made from a backlog left over from Soviet times and made its first flight in Kazan on January 12, 2022, still unpainted.
On December 30, 2022, the UAC issued a press release stating that in December the first newly manufactured prototype of the Tu-160M strategic missile carrier had flown again and that the factory test program had been completed on the aircraft. “As part of the flight, maneuvers were performed to check the stability and controllability of the aircraft in the air, the performance of aircraft systems and engines, as well as on-board radio-electronic equipment.” Judging by the photographs circulated at the same time, the first built Tu-160M has already received almost full color.
Now it has been announced that the second Tu-160M aircraft built at KAZ under the contract in 2018 will be rolled out. This aircraft is believed to have serial number 9-01.
As for the program of modernization of already manufactured Tu-160 bombers to the level of Tu-160M, the first prototype of the modernized Tu-160M strategic bomber was converted from a combat bomber with serial number 4-05 and the name "Igor Sikorsky", which previously had tail number "14 " and registration number RF-94103. The aircraft made its first flight after the completion of the re-equipment at the Kazan Aviation Plant on February 2, 2020. Then, new engines NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) were installed on the aircraft for testing, the first flight with which at the KAZ airfield was made on November 3, 2020. After completing the flight test phase, this aircraft flew on March 10, 2021to continue testing from Kazan to the flight test and development base of Tupolev PJSC in Zhukovsky.
The second aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M, apparently, was a bomber with serial number 4-01 and the name "Boris Veremey" (previously had tail number "09"). This aircraft with the new registration number RF-94444, immediately equipped with new NK-32 series 02 (NK-32-02) engines, began flight tests in September 2021.
The third aircraft upgraded to the level of Tu-160M (serial number unknown) made its first flightin Kazan in December 2022. Now the fourth aircraft, which has completed the modernization to the level of the Tu-160M, has been rolled out. It is unpainted and its serial number is also unknown, however, on the nose, the remnants of the image of the Russian Air Force flag, which previously adorned the Tu-160 combat bombers, are visible. It is possible that one of these aircraft is a plane with the name "Valentin Bliznyuk" (serial number 2-02, previously had tail number "19" and registration number RF-94113), which has been at KAZ since March 2016.
The first modernized strategic bomber Tu-160M (probable serial number 8-05) of the new construction of the Kazan Aviation Plant - a branch of PJSC "Tupolev" (as part of PJSC "United Aircraft Corporation") in the next flight. Kazan,
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Bmpd-blogin ennuste vuodelle 2023 (alleviivaus minun, artikkeli julkaistu 11.1.2023): LÄHDE
According to our estimates, in 2023 the supply of combat aircraft to the Ministry of Defense may be increased, which is primarily due to the stabilization effect in the implementation of existing and signed contracts, as well as certain measures to intensify military production within the framework of the NMD. It is estimated that seven Su-57 aircraft, up to 12 Su-35S, up to 12 Su-34, up to 10 Su-30SM2 and up to 12 Yak-130, can be delivered, as well as one or two strategic bombers Tu-160M of new production ( already built boards 8-05 and 9-01). In military transport aviation, up to four Il-76MD-90A aircraft and the first serial tanker aircraft Il-78M-90A can be handed over.
Mikfin70
Ylipäällikkö
Moderni kasapanos.
Rajajääkäri
Ylipäällikkö
Ehkä tuon kaverin ei kannata lähiaikoina sukuloida ryssän puolella.Tämä on loistava idea ja näyttää toimivan myös ihan käytännössä
Ukrainan puolelle loikannut Venäjän armeijan helikopterilentäjä Maksim Kuzminov saa palkkioksi teostaan noin 500 000 dollarin (n. 466 000 euron) summan. Asiasta kertoi Kyiv Independentille tiistaina Ukrainan sotilastiedustelun HUR:in tiedottaja Andri Jusov.
Puolta vaihtaessaan 28-vuotias Kuzminov toimitti Ukrainan armeijalle myös Venäjän armeijalle kuuluvan Mi-8-helikopterin. Hänen on kerrottu antaneen Ukrainalle lisäksi myös arvokasta tietoa Venäjän armeijan ilmailutoiminasta, viestiliikennejärjestelmistä sekä lentokenttäverkostosta.
Ukrainan parlamentti hyväksyi huhtikuussa 2022 lain, jonka myötä Venäjän armeijan kalustoa Ukrainan armeijalle luovuttaville venäläissotilaille voidaan maksaa jopa miljoona dollaria vastineeksi. Summan suuruus riippuu luovutetun kaluston tyypistä.
Rajajääkäri
Ylipäällikkö
Toivoa voin vain paljon kuolemaa ryssille.
Lahtinen
Kapteeni
Jep. Toistan itseäni, mutta Tu-160 on venäjä ilmavoimien oma Admiral Kuznetsov.