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Eiköhän siellä ole tarpeeksi ilmaa että kopterin saa ilmaan, jos Marsissa pahimmillaan on koko planeetan peittävä hiekkamyrsky. Mielenkiintoisempaa on miten tuo selviää Marssin talvesta (-125 C pahimmillaan) ja noista hiekkamyrskyistä. Itse kannatan roverin kaltaista mothership ajatusta kuin antaa dronen pörrätä paikasta toiseen ilman toista. Jos roverille saa vielä robotti manipulaattorit niin ajatus kauko-ohjelmoidusta huoltotoimenpiteistä ei ole kaukana.
 
Aika mielenkiintoista, miten ne saavat pikkuruisenkaan kopterin "ilmaan", kun ilmanpaine on korkeintaan parin prosentin luokkaa Maan merenpinnan ilmanpaineesta (Wikipedian mukaan 0.6%, mutta vaihtelee suuresti vuodenajan ja sijainnin mukaan). Jospa vain höpöttelevät, mitä sylki suuhun tuo?

Tiede lehden foorumin palstalta kopioitua "Tuulivoima marssissa":
https://www.tiede.fi/comment/2460308#comment-2460308

Marsin kaasukehän hiilidioksidipitoisuuden (yli 95%) ja pienen tiheyden takia kaasun kinemaattinen viskositeetti ja siksi fReynoldsin luku on Marsissa noin 30 kertaa pienempi kuin maan ilmakehässä. Tämä tarkoittaa, että toimivan myllyn pitäisi olla dimensioiltaan 30-kertainen pienimpään maan pinnalla toimivaan myllyyn nähden.

Kunnolla hiljaisessa tuulessa toimiakseen pitää maan ilmakehässä siiven leveys olla, kärkinopeussuhteesta riippuen, viisi-kymmenen senttiä. Jos on vähemmän, pitää siipi muotoilla teräväreunaiseksi kourulevyksi, eikä sillä päästä enää hyvään hyötysuhteeseen.

Tämän mukaan pitäisi marsin ilmakehässä siiven kärjen minimileveys olla vähintään 3 m, mikä tekee pienimmästä mahdollisesta kunnolla toimivasta myllystä aika suuren, ainakin melko lailla erilaisen. Toisaalta toimivantehoiset tuulennopeudet marsissa ovat kolme kertaa suuremmat, joten tuo minimisiivenleveys saturoituu noin metrin luokkaan. Aika paljon joka tapauksessa.

Teollisen myllyn virtaustekniseen tilanteeseen päästäkseen pitäisi myllyn siiven leveys kertoa kymmenellä ja muut mitat tuolla kuutiojuuri 40 = 3,4.

Lopputuloksena olisi turbiini, joka muistuttaisi muodoltaan nykyturbiinia, jonka siipien kärjistä on katkaistu pois ulompi puolikas tai kaksi kolmasosaa, mutta turbiinin koko olisi sama kuin maassa. Tätä voisi sitten käyttää tuulennopeusalueella 15 - 50 m/s tuulissa. Tuon kovemmilla tuulilla siiven kärjissa ylittyisi äänennopeus.

50 m/s tuulennopeudella tuo mylly antaisi tehoa hitusen vähemmnän kuin saman pyyhkäisyalan mylly maassa 15 m/s tuulessa.

Ei siis madotonta lainkaan, jos kyetään rakentamaan riittävän suuria turbiineja ja tuulta riittää.
 
Mount Everestin huipulla on muistaakseni n. 30% merenpinnan ilmanpaineesta (happipitoisuushan on sama kuin alempanakin, eli tämä ole hengittelyvaikeuksien aiheuttaja). Yksi helikopterimalli pystyy rankasti riisuttuna nippa nappa käväisemään siellä huipulla, jos puikoissa on korkeustesteillä taidot hankkinut ekspertti ja ilmavirtaukset juuri sopivat. Tuota korkeammallahan on todella suuria suihkuvirtausten nopeuksia, eli ilmantiheys ja tuulennopeus eivät sikäli liity toisiinsa (se tiheämpi ilma alempana hidastaa hieman ylempänä olevia tuulia jne., joten nopeimmat tuulet ovat siellä ylhäällä, Maassa ainakin selvästi yli 10 km korkeudelle asti). Sitä en tiedä tosin, johtuvatko Marsin tuulet suihkuvirtausten tapaisista tekijöistä (coriolis-ilmiön sekä soluihin tai vyöhykkeisiin jakautumisen vaikutus), vaiko vain eri alueiden lämpötilaerojen aiheuttamien ilmanpaine-erojen välillä tapahtuvista tasoitusvirtauksista.

No pitänee jossain vaiheessa kaivella, millaisesta kopterista on kysymys. Kaipa ne ovat sen tieteellisesti todistaneet mahdolliseksi. :D

(Toimisivatkohan jonkinlaiset palkeet Himalajalla antamaan hengittäjälle ilmanpainetta? Näitä sijoittelisi vähän matkan välein yli 8 km korkeudelle. Sherpat sitten polkisivat niihin painetta turisteille niin, että hiki roiskuu otsasta... - Tai hei, tuulimyllyllä toimivat palkeet! Leveät lavat, niin kyllä lähtee.)
 
Viimeksi muokattu:
No pitänee jossain vaiheessa kaivella, millaisesta kopterista on kysymys. Kaipa ne ovat sen tieteellisesti todistaneet mahdolliseksi. :D
Sori. Varsin epätieteellisesti koelennolla tyhjiökammiossa. Jos se kerran toimii Maassa, niin toimii se Marsissakin missä painovoima on noin kolmasosan täkäläisestä. Isompi ongelma on saada se ehjänä perille.

Ja se pöly. Mitenköhän Mars-pölyn ongelmallisuutta kopterille olisi helpointa testata? Voisikohan sinne lähettää pienen prototyypin ja kokeilla vähän... :unsure:
 
Chinese volunteers have completed a one-year test living in a simulated space lab in Beijing, setting a new record for the longest stay in a self-contained cabin.

Four students, two males and two females, emerged from the Yuegong-1, or Lunar Palace 1, at Beihang University to the applause of academicians, researchers and fellow students Tuesday.

The total length of the test, which started on May 10th last year, reached 370 days, with the third stage accounting for 110 days.

Liu Hong, chief designer of Yuegong-1, said the test marks the longest stay in a bioregenerative life support system (BLSS), in which humans, animals, plants and microorganisms co-exist in a closed environment, simulating a lunar base. Oxygen, water and food are recycled within the BLSS, creating an Earth-like environment.

"The system is 98 percent self-sufficient. It has been stable and effective in providing life support for its passengers," she said.

A total of eight volunteers, all of whom are students at Beihang University, took turns living in the cabin, which measures around 150 square meters.

The BLSS is a critical piece of technology required for long-term human stays on the moon or other extraterrestrial bodies, Liu said.

Researchers will evaluate the physical and mental conditions of volunteers, study test results, and explore smaller BLSS equipment which could be loaded onto space labs, moon and Mars probes in the future.

"The test has important implications for human endeavors to achieve long-term stays outside the Earth. The experience, technology and findings will be conducive for future space exploration efforts," said Wang Jun, an academician from the Chinese Academy of Engineering, as he welcomed the volunteers out of the cabin.

The BLSS can also be applied in areas where water is scarce and oxygen levels are low, he said.

The previous record was set in the former Soviet Union, where three people stayed for 180 days in a similar closed ecosystem in the early 1970s.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/C..._370_days_in_self_contained_moon_lab_999.html
 
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Scottish boffins, along with colleagues in Ukraine, have developed a "self-eating" rocket engine that could affordably fling a cubesat into orbit.

The solid-fuel rocket does away with heavy tanks, with the propellant itself forming much of the launcher's structure. As the engine burns its way through that structure, the rocket itself becomes correspondingly lighter, meaning more payload can be carried. An additional benefit is a reduction in debris left in orbit.

The propellant of the "autophage" engine comes in the form of a rod, which has solid fuel (in this case, a strong plastic such as polyethylene) on the outside and oxidiser within. The rod is pushed into a hot engine and vaporised, generating thrust and enough heat to vaporise the next section of rod.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/25/boffins_unveil_a_rocket_that_will_eat_itself/
 


Space exploration today is hindered by the size and mass of the hardware and equipment human beings are capable of launching to space, the frequency of those launches and the human safety factors involved in transferring and integrating hardware components during astronaut extravehicular activities, or EVAs.

Now, building on the latest robotic technologies available, NASA and its commercial partners seek to transform the way we manufacture, assemble and repair large structures in space, leading us closer to a robust space infrastructure freed from launch window scheduling, launch vehicle mass limitations and astronaut safety concerns. Ultimately, NASA’s new In-space Robotic Manufacturing and Assembly (IRMA) project will enable more frequent science and discovery missions in Earth orbit, across the solar system and beyond.
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/tdm/irma/index.html
 
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Venäjällä ei tunnu olevan naaraita olenkaan avaruusohjelmassa. Kaikki nämäkin kuvassa olevat on äijiä.
 
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In a national survey of 2,541 U.S. adults conducted March 27-April 9, 2018, roughly seven-in-ten Americans (72%) say it is essential for the U.S. to continue to be a world leader in space exploration.

Strong public support is widely shared across gender, generational, educational and political groups. Also, some 80% of Americans say the International Space Station has been a good investment for the country.

In the decades since the U.S. landed astronauts on the moon, the landscape of space exploration has changed dramatically as other countries have expanded their capabilities and private companies have taken on larger roles.

Some 65% of Americans believe that NASA's role in space exploration is essential, with 33% saying that private companies will ensure that enough progress is made in space exploration without NASA's involvement.

When asked to rate the importance of nine specific missions found in NASA's diverse portfolio, majorities say monitoring key parts of the Earth's climate system or monitoring asteroids and other objects that could hit Earth should be top priorities for NASA (63% and 62% respectively).

By comparison, fewer Americans say crewed space missions should be top priorities, with 18% saying that sending astronauts to Mars should be a top priority and only 13% saying the same about the moon.

However, if NASA were to send expeditions into space, a majority of Americans say they consider it essential that humans, not solely robots, make the trip. Overall, 58% of U.S. adults believe it is essential to include the use of human astronauts in the future U.S. space program, while 41% say astronauts are not essential.

Also, half of Americans (50%) believe people will routinely travel to space as tourists within the next 50 years. But more anticipate that they would not want to orbit the Earth than say they would (58% to 42%). Interest in orbiting the Earth is greater among younger generations.

Other findings include:

Many Americans are confident private space companies will be profitable, but are more skeptical they will keep space clean.

+ Some 44% have a great deal of confidence that private companies will make a profit in space-related ventures and 36% say they are fairly confident they will be profitable.

+ A majority of Americans also express confidence that these private companies will build safe and reliable rockets and spacecraft, with 26% expressing a great deal of confidence and 51% having at least a fair amount of confidence.

+ Americans are more skeptical that private companies will minimize human-made space debris, with only 13% saying they have a great deal of confidence; 35% saying they have a fair amount of confidence; and 51% saying they have not too much or no confidence at all.

+ The 7% of the public that is highly attentive to news about NASA and private space companies tends to express more confidence in these companies to handle key aspects of space exploration. For example, 95% of those who are most attentive to news about space have at least a fair amount of confidence that private companies will build safe and reliable rockets and spacecraft; 58% of this group has a great deal of confidence that companies will do this.

More than half of Americans say they would not be interested in going into space, citing cost, fear, and age or health concerns.

+ The 58% of U.S. adults who say they wouldn't want to orbit the Earth aboard a spacecraft believe that such a trip would be either "too expensive" (28% of those asked) or "too scary" (28%), or that their age or health wouldn't allow it (28%).

+ Among the 42% of Americans who would be interested in traveling into space, 45% of them say the main reason for their interest would be to "experience something unique." Some 29% of this group says they would go so that they can see the view of Earth from space, while 20% want to "learn more about the world."

+ Interest in orbiting the Earth is greater among younger generations and among men. Some 63% of Millennials (born 1981 to 1996) say they are definitely or probably interested in space tourism, compared with 39% of Gen Xers (born 1965 to 1980) and 27% of those in the Baby Boomer or older generations. Across all generations, men are more likely than women (51% vs. 33%) to say they are interested in traveling into space as tourists.

Compared with ratings of other NASA programs, fewer Americans say crewed space exploration should be a top priority. Potential priorities:

+ Monitoring key parts of Earth's climate system: 63% said it should be a top NASA priority; 25% said it should be an important but lower priority; and 11% said it is not too important or should not be done.

+ Monitoring asteroids or other objects that could hit Earth: 62% top priority.

+ Conducting basic scientific research to increase knowledge and understanding of space: 47% top priority.

+ Developing technologies that could be adapted for other uses: 41% top priority.

+ Conducting research on how space travel affects human health: 38% top priority.

+ Searching for raw materials and natural resources for use on Earth: 34% top priority.

+ Searching for life and planets that could support life: 31% top priority.

+ Sending astronauts to Mars: 18% top priority, 45% important but lower priority, 37% not too important or should not be done.

+ Sending astronauts to the moon: 13% top priority, 42% important but lower priority, 44% not too important or should not be done.
http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/M...e_US_remain_a_global_leader_in_space_999.html

http://www.pewinternet.org/2018/06/...-that-the-u-s-remain-a-global-leader-in-space
 
Kuinka hommat Mars simulaatorissa voi mennä vituilleen. Onneksi oli maassa eikä siellä jossain.

The drive to the little white dome on the northern slope of Mauna Loa is a bumpy one. Mauna Loa, the “Long Mountain,” is a colossal volcano that covers half of the island of Hawaii. The rocky terrain, rusty brown and deep red, crunches beneath car tires and jostles passengers. Up there, more than 8,000 feet above sea level and many miles away from the sounds of civilization, it doesn’t feel like Earth. It feels like another planet. Like Mars.

For the last five years, small groups of people have made this drive and moved into the dome, known as a habitat. Their job is to pretend that they really are on Mars, and then spend months living like it. The goal, for the researchers who send them there, is to figure out how human beings would do on a mission to the real thing.

In February of this year, the latest batch of pioneers, a crew of four, made the journey up the mountain. They settled in for an eight-month stay. Four days later, one of them was taken away on a stretcher and hospitalized.

The remaining crew members were evacuated by mission support. All four eventually returned to the habitat, not to continue their mission, but to pack up their stuff. Their simulation was over for good. The little white dome has remained empty since, and the University of Hawaii, which runs the program, and NASA, which funds it, are investigating the incident that derailed the mission.
https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/06/mars-simulation-hi-seas-nasa-hawaii/553532/
 
https://www.surrey.ac.uk/surrey-space-centre/missions/removedebris

"The mission will comprise of a main satellite platform (~100kg) that once in orbit will deploy two CubeSats as artificial debris targets to demonstrate some of the technologies (net capture, harpoon capture, vision-based navigation, dragsail de-orbitation). The project is co-funded by the European Commission and the project partners, and is led by the Surrey Space Centre (SSC), University of Surrey, UK. The research leading to these results has received funding from the European Union Seventh Framework Programme (FP7/2007-2013) under grant agreement No. 607099. "

Tässä EU pilotoi näppärästi myös tekniikkoja, joiden avulla voidaan vaurioittaa tai tuhota satelliitteja hyvinkin täsmällisesti...
 
Millaisille satelliiteille meillä olisi suurin tarve? Tai siis missä olisi paras kustannus-hyöty-suhde.

Äkkiseltään veikkaisin viestintäsatelliitteja, jotka ovat suhteellisen edullisia ja joilla voitaisiin luoda nopeasti ja helposti yhteyksiä isossa maassa, vaikka runkoyhteydet olisikin katkottu. Kuvaus- ja kartoitussatelliitit olisivat varmaankin liian kalliita, ainakin jos haluttaisiin tiedustella merkityksellisen kokoisia alueita.

Viestintäsatelliiteille en näkisi tarvetta Suomen etäisyyksillä. Erilaiset linkkiratkaisut ja kovassa kehitysvaiheessa oleva kehittynyt HF-tiedonsiirto toimivat halvemmin ja hajautetummin - Suomen tapauksessa kun viestisatelliitti olisi joko Molniya-radalla tai geostationäärisellä radalla eli harvalukuinen, kallis ja haavoittuva.

Tutkasatelliitit tulivat esille. Rauhan aikana käytössä voisi olla vähemmän, kriisiaikana enemmän. Pienlaukaisukapasiteetit halventuvat koko ajan.

Kuvaussatelliitteja tuskin rauhan aikana tarvisi, kriisiaikanakin muutama riittäisi.

ELINT-satelliitit olisivat erittäin hyödyllisiä. Nykyäänkin esim. Suomen ilmapuolustus nojannee käytännössä viestitiedustelutietoon jolla saadaan tieto koneiden liikkeistä ja tutkahorisontin takana. ELINT-satelliitit laajentaisivat tilannekuvan muodostamista mikä tulee entistä tärkeämmäksi aseiden kantamien kasvaessa.

IP-ennakkovaroitussatelliitit molniya-radalla, ehkä yhdistettynä ELINT-satelliittiin, olisivat hyödyllisiä lentokoneiden liikkeellelähdön sekä raketti/ohjusyksiköiden paikantamisessa ja ennakkovaroituksen antajana.

Ihannetapauksessahan nämä voisi tehdä kv-yhteistyönä. esim. EU:n kautta mutta hankkeesta tulisi varmasti tuolloin äärimmäisen hintava. Pohjoismainen yhteistyö, ehkä Baltian maat ja Puola vahvistuksena, voisi olla ehkä realistisempi kuvio.

Kallista? No, halvempia kuin tunkeutumiskykyiset MALE/HALE -lennokit... Haasteena olisi jonkinlaisen mobilisaatiokapasiteetin luominen järkevästi - rauhan aikana tarve olisi lähinnä ELINT-satelliiteille, ehkä kaksi riittäisi, sen sijaan kriisiaikana tarve olisi suurempi. Teknologia tällaiseen tulee kuitenkin jatkuvasti halvemmaksi. Mobilisaatiomallissa satelliitin kestoiän ei tarvitsisi olla niin pitkä kuin perinteisessä pitkän käyttöiän mallissa.
 
Viimeksi muokattu:
testifying at the House Committee hearing was the NASA Inspector General Paul Martin. Martin listed in his report (pdf) four underlying causes of NASA project cost and schedule problems that have plagued the agency for years. First was the issue of NASA project managers’ culture of optimism, aka the “Hubble Syndrome.”

NASA managers have come to believe―usually correctly, Martin said―that “projects that fail to meet initial cost and schedule goals will receive additional funding and subsequent scientific and technological success will overshadow budgetary and schedule problems.” So, while a project may experience a cost overrun or schedule delay, it is of little real consequence to NASA managers other than perhaps a scolding or two by the GAO, the Inspector General, and Congress.
https://spectrum.ieee.org/riskfacto...nd-schedules-in-nasas-major-project-portfolio

This “too big to fail” attitude is coupled with a recurring failure to anticipate the technical complexity involved in projects. This is somewhat understandable, given that NASA projects are often trying to accomplish unprecedented feats, but the complexity involved in integration and testing seem to be systematically underestimated by project managers and their technical teams. This behavior worries the GAO, especially since many of NASA’s current major projects that are already driving cost overruns and schedule delays have not yet entered integration, which is where most projects experience trouble.

Another reason NASA management plays down a project’s technical complexity and risk is to get the project sold, Martin noted. Once sold, a project almost immediately becomes too big to fail. So, as former NASA Administrator Michael Griffin (and now Under Secretary of Defense for Research and Engineering) once confessed, the goal of a NASA project manager “becomes that of getting [a project] started, no matter what has to be said or done to accomplish it.” The same approach is true at the U.S. Department of Defense, so Griffin is probably feeling right at home.

A third issue raised by the NASA Inspector General is funding instability, which is caused by decisions made by both Congress and NASA. NASA appropriations have been a political football since 1959; only seven times has the agency ever received its annual appropriation at the start of a fiscal year. However, the IG also noted that NASA hasn’t helped itself by its over-optimistic planning and decision making, either.

The last issue the report raised was a problem with developing and retaining experienced project managers. Engineers complained that they had few “hands-on” opportunities to learn engineering management skills as they spent too much time performing contractor oversight. Going into private industry looks more attractive than working for NASA and being contract monitors for many young engineers, the Inspector General observed.

Both the GAO and the Inspector General Martin, however, recounted that NASA has taken numerous steps to improve how it manages its projects, and that cost overruns are not nearly as bad as in the past. For instance, Martin stated that NASA began instituting a Joint Cost and Schedule Confidence Level in 2006 that provides “a percentage likelihood the project will be developed at a particular cost and on a particular schedule, but also identifies associated cost and schedule reserves needed to back-up the plan.”

The availability of reserves has helped NASA to address risks early, rather than letting them turn into costly problems. The Joint Cost and Schedule Confidence Level, which was fully implemented in 2009, has helped rein in some of the drivers of project cost and schedule.

That said, both the GAO and IG reports make it very clear that if project costs continue to climb, NASA should not be surprised to see Congress pass legislation capping its funding.
 
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