Dassault Rafale

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The partnership with Germany leads to much less comment since the surprise of its creation is proportional to the weakness of its content. Litigation is very likely to be industrial insofar as industrial co-operation with Berlin is highly complicated, as the German industrial share and the apprenticeship of these industries in co-operation may be Berlin's main strategic objective. all cases higher than the question of sovereignty. What about the difficulties encountered on the Eurofighter and A400M programs (willingness to develop MTU's aero capabilities)? Disputes of the German company OHB-System for the constellation of navigation satellites Galileo? And even more, let us not have the short memory, what about the German-French 80% German-speaking tank in the distribution of the industrial load? Of the Tiger without fenestron because otherwise the helicopter would have looked too French? TKMS of which Berlin preferred to see the UAE become a shareholder rather than DCNS goes up to the capital in order to launch a "Naval Airbus" as claimed by Paris? The successive reorganizations of EADS 'defense activities, which became Airbus, to Germany? What does Paris have to gain from a partnership with Berlin that plays its interest in the F-35 against the imperatives of political sovereignty of France, if not to get the maximum of Paris when it there is nothing to gain from Washington?

And yet, surprisingly, it would be the Franco-French internal political context that would invite very serious future political decisions on this option. The President of the Republic - Mr Macron - does not carry the industrial group Dassault in high esteem and even split to imply publicly but by a virtually ad nominem exit towards the owner of the Figaro, Serge Dassault. It is possible that, in addition to Alexis Kholer, the Elysee counts in its most august representative another person very unhappy with the financial victories of the Hotel de Brienne sur Bercy under the previous legislature. Then, Minister Macron was able to observe that the sacralization of orders of 11 Rafale per year for the French armies (before they found buyers abroad) linked the entire military budget to the Dassault Aviation group , forcing the Hotel de Brienne to enter into several branches of iron with Bercy, and to carry out elsewhere the budget cuts imposed, even if this is done to the detriment of the MCO of other materials or the preparation of forces. In fact, rather than Minister Le Drian, it was a victory of the DGA Jean-Yves Helmer (1996-2001) that had managed to impose on Bercy the contractualization of the multi-year command of Rafale combat aircraft. Hence the shackles of 14 and 11 Rafale to be ordered every year in order to make the production line viable. Just like the command of FTI frigates, chosen by Minister Le Drian to the detriment of a lengthening of the FREMM series in order to satisfy the national defense industrialists rather than the equipment of the forces, the constant fidelity brought to Dassault Aviation was significant priority given to national industrial issues rather than to the operational effectiveness of French and European forces.

This is why the Franco-German project could benefit from all presidential favors since it involves Airbus as a central pivot, not Dassault Aviation, all in a dynamic grouping of European industrial powers that is not without echoes of the recent rapprochement between the French and Italian naval industries, or between Siemens and Alstom in the rail sector. Such a redistribution of maps in the field of combat aircraft would de facto defeat the organization of principle enacted by Germany and France: to Dassault Aviation the UCAV, and to EADS then Airbus the MALE UAV. This could of course be seen as a way of bypassing, even twisting, the sole designer and builder of Franco-French combat aircraft, according to presidential desires. Another approach, more pragmatic, would be to see it as a way of turning the traditional dynamic between Dassault Aviation and the Air Force, which seems to show some limitations lately. Indeed, while Dassault Aviation is used to approaching the direct needs of pilots and airmen in the broad sense before obtaining the funds necessary to develop the object of the desire of the military, sometimes to the detriment of the political or economic ambitions of the " There could be some doubt about the strategic direction of the company in such a context. Thus, the way in which Dassault Aviation systematically rests on the Quai d'Orsay for the conduct of exports of military equipment seems to be of a different age, and the commercial failures of the Rafale seem hardly to have called into question the highly politicized decision-making structures of the company. Similarly, while the nEURO program has been beneficial both for European design offices and for demonstrating the manufacturer's excellent industrial organization, it must be noted that UCAVs of the "flying wing" type, do not represent a large market, as we highlighted above in relation to SCAF / FCAS, particularly in Europe, where the replacement of combat aircraft and the development of MALE drones seem to be a high priority.

If there is no reason to condemn Dassault, these are all elements that make it possible to put into perspective the idea that the French aircraft manufacturer represents the only possible way for the development and industrialization of the and that it would be free from defects, unlike Airbus' multi-national companies such as the A400M (whose delays and additional costs are just as much, if not more, of industrialists, let us recall). What would open doors to Airbus and, therefore, to a Franco-German plane, which Dassault Aviation would not necessarily be totally ousted.

Contrary to what was originally planned with the SCAF program, the vector would undoubtedly be piloted, or at least optionally piloted, and the target of the program more comfortable with a potential of 170 to 200 machines at 120-150 to replace Tornado and about fifty for the replacement of the Mirage 2000D at first, perhaps more if it is also a question of replacing the first Rafales delivered in the early 2000s. In terms of industrial organization, imagine that the project management would go to Germany, the main customer, while the prime contractor could return to the French, more experienced in the field of combat aircraft. Obviously, this would include strong subcontracting in Germany, as our neighbors in the Outre-Rhine region are not used to accepting a work share that is less than their share of investment, to say the least. An industrial assembly which would then be accompanied by all the risks involved in this kind of industrial adventure with regard to the geopolitical situation of France in Europe and its comparative advantage in the field of combat aircraft.

In addition, Germany, through a department of its Ministry of Defense, sent a letter requesting information from Boeing, concerning the F-15, in an unspecified version, and F / A-18E / F Super Hornet. A request that follows a similar letter already sent to Lockheed-Martin requesting a precise briefing on the F-35, which had already made a lot of ink on both sides of the Rhine. On the other hand, while it is surprising that there is no demand for the F-16, whose latest development - the Viper - is more than credible, it is clear that Berlin is definitely not committed to reviving the development of the Eurofighter to integrate all the air-to-ground capabilities (thus demonstrating the correctness of French choices in the 1980s by assuming the solitary adventure of the Rafale?), the letters requesting German information have still not arrived to the offices of the DGA and Dassault aviation for the Rafale.

Nevertheless, the demands made by American aircraft manufacturers seem to direct the choice of Berlin towards a multi-purpose heavy fighter.

RAFALE XL?

A Rafale XL for the European air superiority of the future?

Moreover, and this shows that the context is not conducive to the stimulation of strategic thinking, the timetable described above invites us to point out that there is no political definition of the aircraft sought. The Eurofighter and Rafale are, first of all, aircraft superiority aircraft before being attacking aircraft, although the French plane is more balanced than its European counterpart on this issue. What will be the qualities of the future apparatus: increased discretion or search for an integral stealth? Supersonic speed, hypersonic? Interception or penetration at high or low altitude? Piloted, optionally piloted or unmanned aircraft? Would the mission of air superiority fall to him, at least as part of a chain of vectors of detection / decision / intervention? The questions are very numerous and the debate so little cleared up.

One of them may appear as a technique, but it remains essential for France as it was when the future EAP (Experimental Aircraft Program) was defined: the navalization of the future aircraft, either SCAF or SCAE.

The Air Force does not seem to significantly change its choices regarding air superiority, preferring to devote itself to the continuous and incremental modernization of the well-born Rafale. The study, which has been evoked between the walls for a few years, but more openly displayed in recent months, could be launched in order to satisfy the Air Force's strategic penetration needs, even if such a device could provide an excellent basis for a European competitor of the F-35.

The angle of attack retained by the Air Force in order to bring the idea of a more radical development of the Rafale by a rather important modification of its cell is the maintenance of the credibility of the FAS (Strategic Air Forces ). In order to sustain its ability to penetrate less and less permissive enemy airspaces, combining the ever-more sophisticated interceptors and air defense systems - the S-400 regularly increases its customer list - significantly increased discretion of the cell is sought. In addition, in order to bring the successor to ASMP-A, which is a much longer hypersonic and / or stealth device, which could be much longer than the current ASMP-A and SCALP-EGs, an enlargement of the Rafale cell is evoked in the corridors.

A solution that would obviously have the support of Dassault, who would see a continuity between the Rafale and probably a means of developing certain subsystems that could be integrated in retrofit to the current fleet of Rafale, but also that of a part of the Air Force cadres, who are particularly pleased with their privileged relationship with the national aircraft manufacturer for half a century. Despite the delays caused by the end of the Cold War, the National Rafalepurement program has always been able to meet its deadlines and to show full satisfaction to the Air Force, which has a short and reactive line of communication with the aircraft manufacturer. This is far from the case with regard to European aeronautical programs, notably the A400M, which has accumulated delays, technical limitations and additional costs, as well as the ALAT and the Navy's NH-90 Cayman helicopter , whose industrial disappointments are well known to aviators.

Almost no information is circulating on this possible proposal of Rafale XL, which would be driven by the need to strengthen the FAS, but that the aircraft manufacturer would probably see as a replacement base for the oldest Air Force Rafale , or even the Navy. We nevertheless lent ourselves to the play of conjunctures, taking into account the previous communications that had been made concerning possible developments for the Rafale, but also with regard to the technical possibilities and the operational constraints.

In order to reduce development costs, the Rafale XL could probably be equipped, at least initially, with an enlarged and more powerful version of the M88 reactor capable of pushing 9t or 10t with post-combustion. An engine whose development is already partly advanced, studies have been carried out in this direction by Safran for a possible contract Rafale in the United Arab Emirates. The aircraft's cell would then increase, probably between 0.8 and 1.2 meters longer and at least 40 to 60 cm wider, which would add two heavy the sail, like the Japanese F-2, enlarged version of the F-16. Increased discretion would be achieved by conforming tanks and antennas, all or part of the armament contained in releasable cocoons and probably one or two internal bunkers of modest dimensions but capable of carrying a minimum air-to-ground charge and a pair of missiles air-air for example. It is not impossible that the bunker is removable and semi-compliant, such as the ventral reservoir that was envisaged for the Mirage 4000 for example. The refueling boom would be retractable, and the aircraft would have a new fuselage-air inlet junction, and therefore new air intakes, perhaps a DSI model comparable to what one finds on the F-35, the Chinese J-10 or the Pakistani JF-17. The apparatus would doubtless be equipped with a double slope. In this case, we would head towards a Mach 2 class hunter, probably a little less. The ability to quickly reach a speed between Mach 1.5 and Mach 1.8 at high altitude (speed and acceleration), and to maintain this speed without post-computation (super cruising) obtaining a high peak speed. The maximum mass of the aircraft would probably be on the order of 30-32 tons - 25% more mass than the Rafale under full load. This means that the Mirage IV and Mirage 4000 take off in a much more compact plane.

While some prophesied through the Rafale the "last fighter designed in France", it would be very difficult to reduce the horizon of this "Rafale XL" to the only France Archipelago. And even so, it will be a question of granting the violins between the Air Force and the French Navy, which is asking for the size of the future combat aircraft in order to be able to dimension the New Aircraft Carrier (NPA). The European horizon for this successive Rafale - much like the Super Hornet succeeded to the Hornet - seems to be unsurpassed in the French political class. And this, despite all the pangs of multinational cooperation and its long list of well-identified extra costs. We have suggested (see above) a "wise prudence" to be observed with regard to the British and German partners, who do not forget as much as we do their national interests, especially industrial interests.

That is why it remains the lessons of the nEUROn program. The return to a sound method - advocated by Dassault aviation for nearly 35 years - consisting of unique owners and works and the removal of geographical return on investment replaced by the contribution of each partner based on its technological capabilities and industrial sectors. France, strong with the demonstrators nEUROn and SCAF, would propose to all its European partners to join it in the development of a demonstrator of a future piloted combat aircraft. This would, of course, be the "Rafale XL", although there is no point in bringing this fact forward. It would be more judicious to find a consensual name for the European sounds in the demonstrator. In this vein, Celtic, Gaulish, etc. mythologies provide a more than consistent pantheon. In the same way as nEUROn, European partners, excluded from major aeronautical maneuvers, would be very likely to be embarked on the adventure in order to preserve their achievements. The Swedes (what is the succession for the Gripen E / T), the Swiss (now a military industrial ambition), the Swedes (the succession for the Gripen E / F?), The Belgians (what benefits for the industrialists with the F-35?) Or the Portuguese? The integration of these small aeronautical nations would be all the easier in a model based on that of the nEUROn, since it would not require the political and financial involvement of the governments concerned and would allow these national industries to constitute a genuine European network of defense aeronautics independently of state controls.

Were we to forget that when the Rafale and Eurofighter programs split up on irreconcilable demands (unladen mass and thus motorisation, navalization, versatility, etc.), Spain had seriously interested in joining France on the Rafale program? A Spain that could easily be integrated with Airbus' German industrial ambitions, and thus with the Franco-German project.
 
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A demonstrator centered around the French political strategy (autonomous capacities of appreciation, decision and action) but offering a certain variable geometry in the participations of partners would represent as much an ambition for the defense of Europe as we are would avoid the double quagmire of the risky and expensive Franco-British and Franco-German partnerships, while the latter still look towards a maritime and continental horizon to which we do not have the role of our ambitions. Moreover, such a program would fit perfectly into President Macron's European vision, which takes note of a multi-speed Europe, where goodwill nations must join together in ambitious programs hoping to attract rather than wait for the unanimous consensus that never arrives and seems to slow down and complicate all the initiatives already launched so far.

France should choose one or several partners in order to support its claims to an autonomous capacity for action in the trinity guiding the French military strategy (autonomous capacities of appreciation, decision and action), which implies, for the capacity to theater and penetration capabilities of the airborne component, than the format adopted by the latest white paper (225 aircraft for the Air Force and Naval Aviation) Rafale F4) be supported. The risk is that, between new options and / or new export contracts (Indian Navy, Egyptian or Qatari options), the fifth tranche of production is not guaranteed to see the light of day, leaving France with the 180 aircraft delivered at the end of the fourth installment, and about fifty Mirage 2000D renovated that will not be eternal, far from it.

Eli Ranskan oma pesä pitäisi saada ensiksi kuntoon. Sekä politiikka, että ilmavoimien ja laivaston tavoitteet. Pitäisi esimerkiksi mahtua uudelle lentotukialukselle, josta on oma projektinsa vireessä.

Espanjalla oli halua Rafale-hankkeeseen, joten ehkä myös tähän mahdollisuuksia.

Uskottavuus lyhyellä tähtäimellä on siis vahvasti kiinni siitä miten F4-standardin saavuttaminen etenee.
Jos taas nämä yllä kuvatut hankkeet etenevät niin voi olla, että 2021 tullen Rafalea ei välttämättä tarvitse enää harkita. Koska pitkän aikavälin suunnitelmat vaikuttavat olevan nämä. Tai siis oikeastaan vain toinen, kun kirjoittajat arvioi ettei kahteen ristiriitaiseen kehityshankkeseen riitä kivekset. Eli UCAV tai Rafale+ on näillä näkymin homman nimi.

Asetan pienen panoksen G2G-koplaukselle, muuten on vaikea luvata ruutulippua HX-hankkeessa. Jos tuon Ranskan kokonaismäärän kannalta tärkeän tranche 5:n toteuttamiseen nähdään edellytys Suomen hankinnassa niin ehkä joku paketti syntyy. Sillä ilmeisesti 180 ei ole riittävä vaan 225 on saatava. Jos saavat riittävän lisätilauksen Intiasta niin ei ole luvassa samanlaista painetta vaan 5. tuotantoerä toteutuu ja Ranska saa lopullisen haluamansa määrän.
 
Viimeksi muokattu:
Air Force Monthlyssa oli Rafale-liite, jossa DGA:n hankejohtaja kommentoi F4-version sisältöä. Otteita:

“Standard F4 will be even more ambitious than F3R,” explained the programme director. “While F3R is mainly restricted to software upgrades, new hardware will be required for the far-reaching F4, even though the airframe will remain unchanged. In practice, F4 will be split into F4.1, for older, in-service aircraft, and F4.2, for new-build airframes. F4.1 will be limited to a number of improvements only in order to avoid complex hardware changes, but F4.1 will accept the new Rafale weapons now being developed. F4.2 will include the whole package of upgrades for the radar, the electronic warfare suite, the Front Sector Optronics and the cockpit to accommodate a helmet-mounted display (HMD).

“All Tranche 4 aircraft – the 28 airframes to be delivered in 2021-23, and all Tranche 5 Rafales will be delivered as F4.2 aircraft. Standard F4 development will take about six years, with service entry due in 2025, but some systems will find their way into the inventory earlier, as soon as they are ready, using a building-block approach thanks to software upgrades.”

With the advent of the F4 Standard, the Rafale will be equipped with the new Thales Contact software radios that will be widely fielded across the French Armed Forces in the next couple of years. These new-generation radios will remain fully compatible with legacy radio waves and should be tested on the Rafale as early as 2020.

The Rafale will also be fitted with a new point-to-point, directional, discreet, high-speed fighter data link to be used exclusively for communications and data exchange within a Rafale patrol. This will use a new three-dimensional waveform (FO3D, or Forme d’Onde 3 Dimensions) generated by digital signal processing using dedicated antennas for the required bandwidths and the expected data flow.

The current Thales RBE2 AESA radar will be further improved. It will benefit from the introduction of two new air-to- surface modes: a ground moving target indicator (GMTI), to detect and track moving targets over land, and a UHR (ultra high resolution) mode, to replace the current HR functionality for synthetic aperture radar (SAR) imagery, offering superior radar image quality at very long distances. The ability to interleave radar modes will be enhanced, thus helping provide aircrews with even better situational awareness.

Over the coming months, Spectra will be improved, with bandwidth extensions for the detectors and jammers to cover lower and higher frequency bands, thus providing an instantaneous reaction against any type of pop-up threat.

“Our objective here is to obtain extremely accurate RF emitter geolocation and 3D tracking, including of airborne radars,” said the programme director. “The capabilities of a single Rafale to locate and track a threat without resorting to traditional, but time- consuming, methods of triangulation or of bearing measurements along the aircraft’s flight path will be significantly improved. It is a very important step forward, and the recent progresses made by Spectra will boost the capabilities of the Rafale in that field.”

Thales and the DGA are actively preparing the future radar developments that will be introduced on Standard F4.2, incorporating cutting-edge Gallium Nitride (GaN) technology for the radar and jammer antennas.

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“Even though we are entirely satisfied with the current RBE2 AESA, we are already working on the next generation scheduled to appear on new-build aircraft in 2025. For the same volume, GaN technology will offer an expanded bandwidth, more radiated power and an even easier ability to switch from one mode to another, or from one functionality to another. With the same antenna, we will be capable of generating combined, interleaved radar, jamming and electronic warfare modes as part of an electronic attack mission.

“GaN emitters will not be restricted to the radar and they will also equip the Spectra suite. For example, for the antennas in the wing apexes, ahead of the canard foreplanes, we could obtain a very quick emission/reception cycle, either saving some volume or augmenting radiated power.

On Tranche 5 Rafales, we will have at our disposal twice the amount of transmitted power for the radar and jamming antennas. Thales has already produced and tested in laboratories a series of GaN module prototypes for the new radar and initial testing results look extremely promising."

“It is not just an improvement; it is a real technological breakthrough in the field of detection. Jamming modes will not be left untouched and will push the Rafale’s electronic warfare capabilities to unprecedented levels thanks to the introduction of what we call ‘smart jamming’, with a wider band coverage and GaN emitters from 2025. These capabilities will be further expanded thanks to the adoption of MFAs [Multi-Function Arrays].”

Although the Rafale’s man-machine interface is lauded by pilots, its cockpit will not be left untouched, with new, larger, lateral touchscreens to be adopted. Because the existing working environment is well balanced, with ergonomics that have proved to be highly successful, the DGA and the industry will introduce only minor adjustments in the cockpit’s design, as part of an evolutionary process.

More importantly, a Helmet-Mounted Display (HMD) will find its way onto the Rafale, filling an operational gap: “The DGA has formally expressed a need in order for the industry to study our requirements."
 
https://www.airrecognition.com/inde...nch-proposal-rejected-by-the-belgian-mod.html
The Belgian Defense Minister today confirmed that France did not correctly answered the tender launched by the Belgian government for the purchase of 34 new fighter jets to replace an ageing fleet of F-16s, the Belgian press agency Belga said.

"I do not see element that would not have allowed France to submit a detailed governmental proposal in accordance with what was requested in the RfGP," the Minister stated to the Chamber of Representatives' Defense Commission.

Referinf to internal and external legal advices requested by the Belgian Government, Vandeput added that "no price offer or reply was sent [by the french government] to the 164 questions the RfGP aske to the candidates and which should have constituted, in substance, the expected government proposal".

"We can only note that the French [government] don't want to bid as defined by the decision the Council of Ministers took on March 17," he continued.

On Sept. 7, France offered Belgium a broad government-to-government deal to purchase Dassault Aviation’s Rafale fighter jets.

The Defence minister, Florence Parly, has offered the Belgian Defence minister to setup an in-depth partnership between our two countries in order to respond to the need expressed by the Belgian air force,” the ministry said.

If the Dassault Rafale officially stays in the race, it has now little chance of being selected in February 2018, as the Belgian Government should most certainly follow Vandeput.

With the Rafale almost out, only two contenders remain in this US$4.3 billion competition.
 
Saaga jatkuu Belgiassa

http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...cabinet-says-rafale-still-in-competition.html
Replacement of the F-16: the French Rafale Still In the Race

BRUSSELS --- Belgium’s restricted Cabinet, known as “Kern,” decided on Friday to keep - at least temporarily - the French Rafale combat aircraft in the running for the replacement of the F-16 fighter-bombers, while continuing in parallel the tender procedure to which the United States and the United Kingdom have responded, respectively offering the F-35 Lightning II stealth fighter and the Eurofighter Typhoon.

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There is a debate on "all offers", Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Foreign Affairs Didier Reynders (MR) confirmed to RTBF on his arrival at the Council of Ministers.

"We are going to examine the legal aspects and see the contacts that are possible with each of the partners, including France. This is a sufficiently important area for the Belgian strategy for the government to discuss and still have contacts with the different partners, including France," he added.

"There is no urgency, we don’t have to decide this in a few days," he said. "It concerns European defense policy, it is worthwhile to look at what is being proposed, but it must be able to match market conditions…..If the legal obstacles are too great, then we will stay with the RfGP process," he however warned.

In Paris, Florence Parly, the armed forces minister, assured she still "had good hopes" of convincing Belgium to choose the Rafale, which its manufacturer, Dassault Aviation, presents as an "omnirole" combat aircraft.
 
sisällyttämällä siihen jotain sen ulkopuolelta, myös tarjouspyyntöihin liittyvää säätelyä voidaan kiertää. Tämä ei ole ihan tavatonta isoissa kaupoissa, mm. Norjan uudessa sukellusvenehankinnassa ja Intian MMRCA-koneiden kanssa kävi näin.
- ihan totta, ja intialaisethan saatelevat tarjouspyyntokilpailujaan ihan itse, niinkuin on saatu tuta. Mitahan tuolla Norjan kuviolla tarkoitetaan? Norjalaista aseistusta "vastakauppoina" saksan veneisiin ja koulutusyhteistyota?

ei ole välttämättä, tai edes todennäköisesti, täysin uuden koneen luomisesta, vaan jonkinlaisesta Super Typhoon tai Super Rafale-jatkokehityksestä yhdistettyinä muihin alustoihin
_ Saudi-Arabia on virallisesti mukana Eurofighter ohjausryhmassa, ja he pyysivat versiota, jossa olisi ranskisten SPECTRE mukana... en usko ranskalaiselta puolelta (joka ei istu ko. poydassa, sattuneesta syysta, kun sielta aikaisessa vaiheessa lahtivat) tulleen "rohkaisua"

kaksi konetta ilmatilan valvomassa ja kuusi sijoitettuna NATO-operaatioihin, kun tarve on tuollaista ja niin nivoutunutta kumppaneihin on strateginen kumppanuus valmistajamaan kanssa ratkaiseva osa suorituskykyä.
- lasketaanpas: meilla 2+2, 6 valmiudessa SEAD/ DEAD - juttuihin, jotta legacy-Hornetit paasevat ampumaan jasmiininsa... saisiko 18 koneen huoltosyklista pysyvalla pohjalla irti kymmenen:)?
- paljonko he laskivat koneita tuohon tarvittavan?

puolustusbudjetti on vain noin 0,9% bruttokansantuotteesta ja siitäkin kolmasosa menee eläkkeisiin.
"Armed Pensions:rolleyes:"
kuin piano kerrostalon porraskäytävässä!
- uutta tuokin, aikaisemmin oli puhe vain polakan heittamisesta kerrostalon rappukaytavaan; en tietysti tieda mista isot pojat:) puhuivat

Pitää kyetä omin voimin 1. päivän taisteluun eli avaamaan rintama.
- tuohon on mietitty se UCAV, mutta sen kyvythan ovat viela uskon asia
- USAF itse sanoo, etta 2040-luvulla F-35 ei enaa kykene counter air toimintaan (siis offensive air defence...suomennettuna)
 
Hauskoja purkauksia, mennaan lainauksien mukaan
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industrial share and the apprenticeship of these industries in co-operation may be Berlin's main strategic objective. all cases higher than the question of sovereignty."
- Saksalla ja Ranskalla eri tavoitteet

"Berlin preferred to see the UAE become a shareholder rather than DCNS goes up to the capital in order to launch a "Naval Airbus" as claimed by Paris?"
- sakemannit hakevat kaupallista menestysta (tuo yhteenliitymahan saa tilauksia Israelista, eli kay varmaan muillekin ); Ranska "poliittista itsenaisyytta ja riipumattomuutta"

"Just like the command of FTI frigates, chosen by Minister Le Drian to the detriment of a lengthening of the FREMM series in order to satisfy the national defense industrialists rather than the equipment of the forces, the constant fidelity brought to Dassault Aviation was significant priority given to national industrial issues rather than to the operational effectiveness of French and European forces."
- poliittinen johton kayttaa budjetin tyopaikkoihin, ei peuolustuskyvyn maksiointiin (per kaytetty euro)

"doubt about the strategic direction of the company in such a context. Thus, the way in which Dassault Aviation systematically rests on the Quai d'Orsay for the conduct of exports of military equipment seems to be of a different age"
- kritisoidaan "old school tie" tyyppisten henkilosuhteiden tehokasta kayttoa, ei vain oman budjetin suuntaamisessa, vaan myos vientikauppojen saamisessa (eli siis: mita kritisoitavaa siina on? Google kaannos ei ole "double negatiiveissa" ihan pysynyt karryilla, koko matkaa)

"a potential of 170 to 200 machines at 120-150 to replace Tornado and about fifty for the replacement of the Mirage 2000D at first"
- pitkan kantaman strike-koneita haetaan hankkeella

"French Navy, which is asking for the size of the future combat aircraft in order to be able to dimension the New Aircraft Carrier (NPA)"
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"Were we to forget that when the Rafale and Eurofighter programs split up on irreconcilable demands (unladen mass and thus motorisation, navalization,..."
- sellaistahan ei saatu, kun piti saada tukialukselle tarpeeksi kompakti versio (siis nykeinen Rafale)

"it is clear that Berlin is definitely not committed to reviving the development of the Eurofighter to integrate all the air-to-ground capabilities (thus demonstrating the correctness of French choices in the 1980s by assuming the solitary adventure of the Rafale?)"
- siina meni HX-Typhoon tonttiin, eli ainoa joka sen monitoimisuuteen oikeasti laittaa rahaa on UK (neljasta partnerista)

"a more radical development of the Rafale by a rather important modification of its cell [perusrakenne; runko] is the maintenance of the credibility of the FAS (Strategic Air Forces )"

Tosi hyva artikkeli, asiat sanotaan niinkuin ne on (Macron saa kovaa kritiikkia siita, etta antaisi - mahdollisesti - hankkeen johdon luistaa Dassault'in kasista)
 
- lasketaanpas: meilla 2+2, 6 valmiudessa SEAD/ DEAD - juttuihin, jotta legacy-Hornetit paasevat ampumaan jasmiininsa... saisiko 18 koneen huoltosyklista pysyvalla pohjalla irti kymmenen:)?
- paljonko he laskivat koneita tuohon tarvittavan?

Ja lasketaan Ranskan kautta (heidan minimistaan; tuo 50:han ei ole counter-air vaan ydinaseta tiputteleva elementti, heilla)
"180 aircraft delivered at the end of the fourth installment, and about fifty Mirage 2000D renovated that will not be eternal, far from it."
- kolme ja puol monitoimihavittajaa tunkeutuvaan strike - suorituskykyyn verrattuna
- otetaan taas se paperille kirjoitettu 18 minimiksi (meidan tapauksessa ne olis legacy Hornetteja)
=> ostetaan 63 uutta monitoimihavittajaa (m.o.t.;))

Ja aikaa muoten, kunhan naapurissa rauhoitutaan, laitetaan vastaava suorituskyky osalle noista uusista, ja paastetaan viimeisetkin Hornetit elakkeelle. Kustannustehokasta (vaikkakin kallista;))
 
Oho, onko tehneet niin hyvän tarjouksen Belgialle, että houkuttaa?

Jos tuohon UCAV vaihtoehtoon viittasit, niin tuskin Belgian murheita (vaikka heidan nykyisille koneille on osoitettu ydinpommitustehtavia), vaan UK/ FR/ GR haluavat varmistaa, ettei ole Trumpin myyntiluvista 1. paivan kyky kiinni.
 
tuo 50:han ei ole counter-air vaan ydinaseta tiputteleva elementti, heilla
Nyt on vahvistettu, etta ensi vuonna 55:lle tilataan modernisointi ensi vuonna.

Mutta oleellisempaa on, ett Rafaleille toimitetaan (vuoden kuluessa) 69 Meteor-ohjusta, eli siita taitaa tulla ensimmainen, jossa ohjus on "oikeasti" kaytossa.
 
Heh heh, onpa vitsikkäitä. Lupaavat belgeille 20 miljardin offsetit vaikka itse kauppa olisi 3,5 miljardin arvoinen. Tuotahan ei uskoisi edes Wincapita-Kustaa.

Belgian maneuvers in the dark with fighter planes

"It is clear that Prime Minister Michel is trying to exert influence to get the French Rafale fighter plane in the run for the F-16's succession," it says in government circles.

Nobody in the government escaped that Prime Minister Charles Michel merged into the purchase file for 34 new fighter aircraft for 3.5 billion euros.
"That history repeats me does not surprise me. I had only thought that the Mouvement Reformator Party (MR), now that she will deliver the prime minister, would be more cautious in her French-language aspirations. A new Agusta is born ', so in government circles, an allusion is made to the corruption affair surrounding the purchase of Agusta helicopters for the army.

And those maneuvers do not even happen so much. When Defense Minister Steven Vandeput (N-VA) in parliament said that the door was closed for the French , responded Deputy Prime Minister Didier Reynders (MR) the day after the television cameras that the French were not depreciated.
At the request of Michel are now new legal opinions requested the Rafale from Dassault bring still in the competition for the successor to the F-16s.

Vandeput, however, obtained the legal advice that the French did not act in accordance with the rules. While the Americans with the F-35 from Lockheed Martin and the British with the Eurofighter an offer submitted in accordance with the 'Request for Government Proposal (RFGP), Paris came on September 7, just hours before the deadline, with a letter in which the French Minister of Defense Florence Parly offers a far-reaching partnership.

It is also explicitly referred to Sabca , the Belgian company in which the French Dassault has a majority interest. But Paris does not answer the 164 questions from the RFGP, nor will the price of the devices be clarified. 'Continue negotiating with France would expose the Belgian state to criticism and prosecution', Vandeput decided.
The fact that Vandeput closed the door for Paris was just online, or there were already calls on the Vandeput, the French, but also the British - who are in the running with Eurofighter - for text and explanation to ask.

It is busy lobbying , but Vandeput adheres as far as possible. He knows how delicious everything is. When Boeing abandoned from this race with the F-18, because the Belgian tendering was tailored to Lockheed Martin's F-35, an inexperienced Michel was investigating that. Nothing found.

At the N-VA it is said that there is no preference for equal who, and that they do not have anything against the French.
The inner cabinet looks Deputy Prime Minister Jan Jambon (N-VA) 'benevolent' all proposals Michel to do so business with the French. Therefore he agreed to ask for new legal advice. But that benevolence goes to the point where Vandeput is embarrased . "We will not do it hard unless we get into trouble ourselves. Then it will hold on, "it says.

For the Prime Minister is uncomfortable shuffling in his seat. "Can you imagine Charles Michel, who is at the European Council, looks at his great friend Emmanuel Macron, saying," No, thanks for your proposal for a pro-European partnership, but I prefer it commercial proposal from the Americans. "

"I understand the malaise in government," said former minister of defense, André Flahaut (PS).
The entourage of Michel denies that there were contacts with the French president, but it is clear that the Prime Minister is bored with the whole thing.
And the French lobby machine running at full speed. The French ambassador walks along, Sabca explains, and even the Christian trade union ACV recently announced in a letter to the government that France promises an investment of 20 billion euros and 1,500 Belgian jobs, if our country chooses for the Rafale of Dassault.
The clock is ticking
One option is that the French would still introduce the Rafale , if on February 14 the "best and final offer" should be submitted. That may be legally possible, in fact, it's an unreadable card, it is said in military circles. With the British and Americans, discussions are taking place to properly evaluate the proposals for the Eurofighter and the F-35.

However, after submitting the best and final offer no longer can be spoken. It is therefore almost impossible to review a French offer, it says.

Another run is that the French rocked with another army contract. 'For the country's motorized vehicles is provided. It is a contract of EUR 1.1 billion, which is for the French, "is noted in government circles. Vandeput's Strategic Army Plan aims at far-reaching cooperation between Belgian and French land components. But whether that contract, which they are actually already on the verge of sprouting Paris, is still the question. "My grandmother always said: The Duvelszak is never filled," it sounds like in government circles.

The prime minister succeeded in getting rid of military investments for more than 9 billion euros , including the purchase of 34 new fighter aircraft for 3.5 billion euros.
Vandeput has long been aware that Michel, through his military adviser, reservoir leader Michel Peeters, looks over his shoulder and walks on the knobs. But postponing the purchase of fighter aircraft until after the parliamentary elections of 2019 is a risk.

As of 2023, the F-16's have to be replaced, because after 40 years of service , the 'metal power' devices can no longer be updated. Hence the plan states that the contract should be awarded in 2018 so that the first devices can be delivered in 2023.
But who will make it difficult if no agreement can be reached and the decision is postponed? When it comes to army purchases, the Socialists have little right to speak from the opposition, notes a government source. "They have collected the money for the party and then burned in their garden," cynically referred to the Agusta affair of the early 90's.
 
Dassault laittanut e100 milj. (=49%) turvavyohykkeistettyyn tehtaaseen Intiassa, jossa tehdaan osia Rafale-havittajiin:
the facility will manufacture several components of the offset obligation connected to the purchase of 36 Rafale Fighters from France, signed between the two Governments in September 2016.

DRAL will manufacture components for the Legacy Falcon 2000 Series of Civil Jets manufactured by Dassault Aviation and thus will become part of its Global Supply Chain. These first steps are expected to achieve in the coming years the possible setting up of final assembly of Rafale and Falcon Aircraft.

Eli kun tarpeeksi monta projektia menee pieleen:
- pohjaton PAK_FA kaivo
- kotimainen havittaja Mig-21 seuraajaksi
- saman laivastoversio
- ed. rivin paikkaamiseksi modattu Mig-29K, joka ei kesta tukialuslaskeutumisia ja kaytettavyysaste on siksi olematon
... niin johan rupeaa kukkaron nyorit aukeamaan.

Eli eivat jaa Ranskassa tehtavat ensimmaiset 36 ilmeisesti ainoiksi Intian ilmavoimissa, jonka laivueiden lkm on katoamassa silmissa (vai sanoisko: kuin pyy maailmanlopun edella)

EDIT: Venaja ilmoittaa, mita haluaa koneidensa hinnaksi, mutta Intian (2-paikkaisen) PAK-FA version hinta kipusi jo yli $250 milj./ kpl ja vedettiin siina vaiheessa vessan pontosta alas
 
Eli kun tarpeeksi monta projektia menee pieleen...

... niin johan rupeaa kukkaron nyorit aukeamaan.

Kiina on pelannut Maosta lähtien voimapolitiikkaa.

Deng siirsi voimapolitiikan ytimen muutamaksi vuosikymmeneksi tuotantotalouden, poliittisen toimintakyvyn, koulutuksen ja nykyaikaistumisen suuntaan.

Voima lisääntyi valtavasti. Samalla suuri määrä erilaisia hyväuskoisia hölmöjä lakkasi näkemästä kiinalaista voimapolitiikkaa voimapolitiikkana.

Pohjois-Korean, Taiwanin, Japanin, Etelä-Kiinanmeren, Tiibetin... kohdalla harjoitetun politiikan + Kiinan sisäpolitiikan olisi pitänyt varoittaa ketä tahansa aivoilla ja silmillä varustettua siitä, että kyse on voimapolitiikan transformaatiosta, ei sen poistumisesta.

Jyrääminen ja laajeneminen on alkanut. Se jatkuu siihen asti kun Kiina katsoo saavansa sillä suhteellista etua.

Länsimaat etsivät usein absoluuttista etua. Monet muut kansat/kulttuurit keskittyvät enemmän suhteelliseen etuun. Tästä seuraavat tavoitteenasettelun ja logiikan erot pitäisi tajuta.

Kiinan toimintapa lienee tuttu RISKin tapaisten strategiapelien pelaajille. Joku pelaaja pitää puolustukseen riittävät joukot alusta loppuun, kerää itselleen resursseja korttien yms. ainakin osin muilta piilossa olevien juttujen muodossa. Poimii välillä muutamia tärkeitä ruutuja joiden kautta massiivinen eteneminen mahdollistuu. Antaa muiden kuluttaa resurssejaan kähinöihin. Ja viimeisellä kierroksella sitten aivan helvetillinen rynnäkkö jolla hankitaan hegemoninen dominanssi laudalla.

Kaikki ne rauhalliset, leppoisat ja muita uhkaamattomat alkukierrokset ovat oleellinen osa viimeisen kierroksen voimapolitiikkaa. Sitä ei saa unohtaa eikä jättää huomioimatta.
 
rauhalliset, leppoisat ja muita uhkaamattomat alkukierrokset ovat oleellinen osa viimeisen kierroksen voimapolitiikkaa. Sitä ei saa unohtaa eikä jättää huomioimatta.
Olen sanonut monella foorumilla, etta maailmanrauhan paras tae on Kiinan yhden lapsen politiikka. Edes autoritaarisen maan poliittinen tilanne ei kesta massatappioita, kun jokaisen yksittaisen osalta sukulinja sammuu
- ko. politiikka on juuri kumottu (rikkailtahan se kumottiin jo kauan sitten)
 
Miten Intian laivaston hanke uuden tukialushävittäjän hankkimiseksi mahtaa edetä?

Onko tämä uutta? Noh, ei vanhempaa kuin joitakin kuukausia...

Indian Navy Gets Cracking on Jet Trials for $15 Billion Fighter Deal
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The Indian Navy has rushed into the trial of four jets that had responded to its request for information (RFI) as part of a $15 billion deal. The decision to start trial indicates the urgency of the Navy to procure a fighter jet for its aircraft carrier.

An Indian Air Force (IAF) MIG-21 passes near Sukhoi-30 fighter jets before a drill for Air Force Day celebrations in Kalikunda IAF airbase around 170 km west of Kolkata.
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India Plans Next Generation Bombproof Shelter for 108 Fighter Jets
New Delhi (Sputnik) – In the first phase of trials, the French Rafale of Dassault Aviation and American F-18 from Boeing had taken part in trials on the western coast of Karwar on the Russian-made aircraft carrier Vikramaditya, formerly Admiral Gorshkov.

SAAB and Rosoboronexport will also show their capabilities during the trial to the Indian Navy which has detailed its requirement for the naval fighter in a 55-page RFI, sources said. The four manufacturers had responded to the global RFI issued by the Indian Navy in January this year.

Multi-role fighters are intended as day-night capable, all-weather deck-based combat aircraft which can be used for air defense, air-to-surface operations, buddy refueling, reconnaissance, and EW missions from Indian aircraft carriers. The Indian Navy is keen to get the aircraft manufactured via license production after acquiring transfer of technology in the case.

Selected aircraft will operate from indigenously developed IAC-1 aircraft carrier which will be conventional ski jump-based short take-off but arrested recovery (STOBAR) layout and INS Vikramaditya. The IAC 1 which is under construction is expected to go for trial in 2019. Indian Navy chief Admiral Sunil Lanba said in May this year that all the companies to whom RFI had been issued had replied.

The Swedish SAAB is pitching its single engine Sea Gripen while Russia’s upgraded MiG 29K is another contender of the tender. The Indian Navy is expected to issue tender soon following the go-ahead from the government. “Hopefully, we will select and shall have deck-based carrier airborne fighter in next 4-5 years,” Admiral Lanba had told reporters.

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201707311056040072-indian-navy-fighter-jets/
 
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