Gripen E/F
- Viestiketjun aloittaja Huhta
- Aloitus PVM
Okei, no sitten hassu kysymys - onko mitään merkitystä seuraavilla seikoilla: toimittajamaan (A) ydinase (B) lentotukialus?
Ranskalaisten Charles de Gaulle on tehnyt keikkoja Intian suuntaan, ja tämä liittynee jotenkin siihen että Intia on Dassaultin asiakas. CDG on ollut mukana Intialaisissa sotaharjoituksissa.
Jenkeillä, Briteillä ja Ranskalla on molemmat edellämainitut. Jos kunnon geimit alkavat, on luonnollista että jenkkien tukialuksia ilmestyy pohjoiselle Antlantille. Brittien tukialuksille se olisi looginen asema, sitten kun ne joskus valmistuvat. Ei myöskään ole ihan mahdoton ajatus että Charles de Gaulle operoisi Atlantilta pohjoismaiden yllä.
Mutta Ruotsalaisilla ei tietenkään ole tukialuksia, eikä ydinpelotetta.
-Tämä menee nyt ristiin ketjun "Mikä konetyyppi korvaa Hornetit" kanssa...
Edit 2: Gyllis vastasi jo toiseen ketjuun "Mikä konetyyppi korvaa Hornetit"
Ranskalaisten Charles de Gaulle on tehnyt keikkoja Intian suuntaan, ja tämä liittynee jotenkin siihen että Intia on Dassaultin asiakas. CDG on ollut mukana Intialaisissa sotaharjoituksissa.
Jenkeillä, Briteillä ja Ranskalla on molemmat edellämainitut. Jos kunnon geimit alkavat, on luonnollista että jenkkien tukialuksia ilmestyy pohjoiselle Antlantille. Brittien tukialuksille se olisi looginen asema, sitten kun ne joskus valmistuvat. Ei myöskään ole ihan mahdoton ajatus että Charles de Gaulle operoisi Atlantilta pohjoismaiden yllä.
Mutta Ruotsalaisilla ei tietenkään ole tukialuksia, eikä ydinpelotetta.
-Tämä menee nyt ristiin ketjun "Mikä konetyyppi korvaa Hornetit" kanssa...
Edit 2: Gyllis vastasi jo toiseen ketjuun "Mikä konetyyppi korvaa Hornetit"
Viimeksi muokattu:
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com...p-fighter-jets-acquisition/article9768706.ece
Intiassa painetaan kaasua pohjaan, eri asia tapahtuuko konehuoneessa mitään.
"Competition between the Swedish Gripen E and American F-16 is likely to heat up soon with the Ministry of Defence planning to expedite the acquisition of warplanes for the Indian Air Force under a $25-billion deal to buy 200 aircraft."
“Gripen E may be more attractive price wise. But the selection should be done based on which aircraft gives us more strategic reach,” said Former Air Chief Marshall AY Tipnis.
Intiassa painetaan kaasua pohjaan, eri asia tapahtuuko konehuoneessa mitään.
"Competition between the Swedish Gripen E and American F-16 is likely to heat up soon with the Ministry of Defence planning to expedite the acquisition of warplanes for the Indian Air Force under a $25-billion deal to buy 200 aircraft."
“Gripen E may be more attractive price wise. But the selection should be done based on which aircraft gives us more strategic reach,” said Former Air Chief Marshall AY Tipnis.
Sarek1
Ylipäällikkö
Puppadumeilta tulee paljon puhetta ja aiotaan "vaiks mitä", mutta tekoihin saakka niistä voi olla toivottoman pitkä matka. Se on varmaa, että yrittävät vedättää ja tingata vaikka ja mitä. Ans kattoo ny.
Brassilaivaston osalta lisää taas jännää.
http://www.janes.com/article/72490/...owards-potential-new-gripen-maritime-fighters
http://www.janes.com/article/72490/...owards-potential-new-gripen-maritime-fighters
Mistähän ne meinaa noilla lentää? Ainoa tukialus meni ainakin lehtitietojen mukaan poistoon tämän vuoden alussa. Onko brasseilla joku tukialusprojekti käynnissä?
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Toivovat että saavat joskus jostain lisää fyffeä jolla rakennella tukialuksia. Jos haluaa ennakkotapauksen miten asiassa käy niin kts. Argentiina. Tukialus poistui käytöstä 80-luvulla mutta tukialuslaivue on edelleen olemassa. Tosin sillä ei ole rahaa lentää koneillaan.
Niin se varmaan on. Jos ei ole hävittäjiä niin ei ole perusteita huudella tukialustakaan. Ja uushankinta pitää saada käyntiin ennen kuin edeltäjä poistuu. Taisi Etelä-Amerikan laivastojen kulta-aika kuitenkin mennä jo.
Järjetön kalustokirjo, kuvastaa koko maan kaaottisuutta.
Tämä kanukki (britti) on sitä mieltä, että Gripen ja F-35 olisivat oikea valinta Kanadalle.
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Hieman ihmetystä herättäviä nuo maksimikantamat.
Gripen C:hen menee ~ 2200kg polttoainetta + 3 x 300 gallonan lisäsäiliötä = ~ 5000kg polttoainetta.
Gripen E:hen menee 3400kg polttoainetta + 2 x 450 gallon lisäsäiliötä + 1 x 300 gallonan säiliö = ~ 7000kg polttoainetta.
Eli kahden lisätonnin avulla raskaammalla koneella olisi melkein kaksinkertainen kantama edeltäjäänsä verrattuna? Haiskahtaisi siltä että tuossa C:n ilmoitetussa kantamassa ei koneessa ole lisäsäiliötä lainkaan, tai korkeintaan yksi, kun taas E:n luvussa sillä on kaikki kolme lisäsäiliötä kyydissä. Tejasin osalta veikkaisin samaa koska sen polttoainekapasiteetti on Gripen C:tä suurempi (~2500kg). Joka tapauksessa voidaan melkoisella varmuudella sanoa että luvut eivät ole vertailukelpoiset.
Viimeksi muokattu:
^ vastattu alkuperäisessä keskustelussa: https://maanpuolustus.net/threads/f-16-falcon.5503/page-7#post-513620
Huhta
Greatest Leader
Gripen on saanut Etelä-Afrikassa sympaattisen ja ruotsalaiseen luonteenlaatuun sopivan tehtävän! 
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...gripen-fighter-jets-will-stalk-rhino-poachers
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...gripen-fighter-jets-will-stalk-rhino-poachers
South Africa's Gripen Fighter Jets Will Stalk Rhino Poachers
Gripen pilots will use their targeting pods to hunt down the illegal hunters.
By Joseph TrevithickJune 22, 2017
- The War Zone
- animals
- fighter jets
- Gripen
- Gripen E
- Litening III
- NTISR
- rhinos
- saab
- South Africa
- Surveillance
- Swedish Air Force Fan Club
- targeting pods
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Rhino poachers operating in South Africa, especially along the country’s border with Zimbabwe, will soon face a new opponent, the Gripen fighter jet, according to a report from FlightGlobal. The revelation followed another announcement that the South African Air Force (SAAF) had finally gotten nearly all of its Swedish-made aircraft out of storage and back onto the flightline.
On June 18, 2017, Lieutenant Colonel Josias Mashaba, head of the SAAF’s 2 Squadron gave details about the state of his country’s Gripen fleet during an annual meeting of the Swedish Air Force Fan Club – yes, fan club – in Paris, France. The event was tertiary to the Paris Air Show at Le Bourget, but did bring together officials from the Swedish Air Force, Gripen manufacturer Saab, representatives from world-wide operators of the fighter jet such as Mashaba, and members of the press, all eager to chat about the aircraft.
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“They are smart, those guys, they are not stupid, but we find them,” Mashaba said of the poachers. 2 Squadron flies nearly all of the SAAF’s remaining fleet of approximately 19 single-seat Gripen C and two-seater Gripen D aircraft at Waterkloof Air Base in country’s administrative capital Pretoria.
The fighter jet’s main tool in its new surveillance role will be the Litening III targeting pod. Israeli defense company Rafael designed the system, which it continues to produce for the country’s air arm, as well as export customers like South Africa. American defense contractor Northrop Grumman makes additional variants in partnership with the firm for the U.S. military and foreign buyers.
Saab
Intended for spotting and then pointing precision guided munitions at enemy targets on the ground, the unit has a sensor turret with day- and night-vision cameras, as well as a combination laser range finder and target designator. The Litening III variant has additional surveillance capabilities in that a pilot can capture still images for further analysis. South Africa’s Gripens have a domestically produced data link, called Link ZA, which could potentially share this information with command centers on the ground or even groups of wildlife rangers, as long as they have the appropriate equipment. Regardless, it's not unusual for air forces to use targeting equipment for surveillance and reconnaissance purposes, with the U.S. military referring to such missions formally as "Non-Traditional Intelligence, Surveillance, and Reconnaissance," or NTISR.
Mashaba conceded that the mission might not be the best use of the fighter jet’s capabilities, but pointed out that the anti-poaching sorties would just be one part of his squadron’s duties. It’s also not the first time a country has sent high performance aircraft to help with domestic law enforcement functions. As late as 1994, the California and Nevada Air National Guards were flying RF-4C reconnaissance aircraft, based on the F-4C Phantom II fighter jet, looking for illicit drug crops within the United States. Eventually, the Air National Guard as a whole transitioned primarily to the less expensive RC-26 twin-engine turboprop for counter-narcotics missions. In and outside of the United States, however, military surveillance aircraft, radar planes, fighter jets, drones, and even bombers have supported interdiction missions for America's so-called "War On Drugs." With little threat to the aircraft from the drug smugglers in most cases, these operations essentially offer low-risk training opportunities against real world targets. Other countries have executed similar operations, and have used their fighters for tertiary domestic surveillance roles. In South Africa, looking for rhino poachers would be a good way to keep pilot flying proficiency up and maintaining critical skill sets while providing a valuable service.
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The AHRLAC prototype.
South Africa could ultimately transition to an aircraft better suited to this unique role, such as the long-in-development AHRLAC, standing for Advanced High Performance Reconnaissance Light Aircraft. American plane maker Boeing and South African designer Paramount Group have now teamed up to continue flight testing on a militarized version they’re calling the Mwari. The push-prop aircraft will be able to carry light weapons and sensors while also providing the crew with good visual visibility of the ground during low-level flight.
“And if we do nothing, the rhinos will all be gone,” Mashaba said. Poachers and other illegal hunters killed more than 1,000 of the endangered animals in both 2015 and 2016, primarily for their horns, which end up as black market luxury items, ingredients for holistic medicines, or just plain old trophies. South Africa is reportedly home to approximately 75 percent of Africa’s total rhino population, including 2,000 of the critically endangered black rhinos.
In addition, any new missions might add additional impetus to an ongoing push to revitalize the SAAF in general. In 2013, the service had to send at least a dozen jets into what amounted to long-term storage because it simply could not afford to fly them. This was the case even though the cost to fly the jets was relatively modest, between $6,000 and $8,000 per flight hour, according to Mashaba. Though we don’t know what the officer’s figure actually includes, the U.S. Air Force spends tens of thousands of dollars per flight hour to operate the F-16C Viper when one takes into account a variety of secondary and tertiary supporting costs.
"Every country has its ups and downs and has budget cuts," Mashaba told the gathering in Paris. "We have overcome them and we basically have all our Gripens up and running."
According to FlightGlobal, South Africa is has a goal of eventually spending two percent of its gross domestic product on defense, but has yet to break the one percent mark. However, the existing budget increases were enough to not only get the Gripens back in action, but also add Link ZA to the country’s BAE Hawk 120 advanced trainers. This means trainees will know how to use the system before transitioning to the Gripen and that pilots can exchange information between the two platforms, if necessary.
“We 'Gripenised' the Hawk,” Mashaba explained. “When you are flying the Hawk, you are able to see the Gripens around you.”
Saab
The Gripen E prototype at a roll-out event in May 2016.
On top of that, Saab is likely to see South Africa’s expanding military budget and active Gripen fleet as a good reason to pitch the country on its new Gripen E variant, at least one day. Derived from the earlier Gripen Next Generation demonstrator, the E model has a new engine and improved avionics and mission systems, among other upgrades, making it significantly more capable than earlier versions. On June 15, 2017, the prototype made its first flight, flying for 40 minutes before returning to the company's airfield at Linköping.
In particular, its Italian-built ES-05 Raven radar is a fast-scanning active, electronically-scanned array (AESA) unit that can track multiple targets at once. Installed on a moving mount, pilots can also focus the beam independent of the aircraft’s flight path, letting them maneuver without necessarily losing their radar picture. In order to make the jets more attractive to potential buyers, Saab says the plane’s physical and software architecture are inherently flexible, allowing countries to install their own gear, which could include indigenous systems such as the Link ZA.
Saab
As it stands now, unfortunately, South Africa doesn’t appear to be in the market for a new fighter jet. In addition, Saab continues to support the older C and D models, so there might not be a need for the country to upgrade immediately. The Swedish firm has already secured a deal with Brazil for the new E model, and has submitted formal offers for Gripens of various types as part of ongoing fighter competitions in Finland, India, and Indonesia, among others.
In the meantime, Mashaba’s pilots will fly their existing Gripens to help protect South Africa’s embattled rhino herds.
Contact the author: [email protected]
Sarek1
Ylipäällikkö
Gripen on saanut Etelä-Afrikassa sympaattisen ja ruotsalaiseen luonteenlaatuun sopivan tehtävän!
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...gripen-fighter-jets-will-stalk-rhino-poachers
Hyvä uutinen ja hyötykäyttöä hankituille koneille, nyt kun ei taida oikein sitä sotilaallista uhkaa olla huudeilla. Tykillä kärpäsiä? Tuleepahan sanoma selväksi; sarvikuonoille ei v*****lla! Podien käytöstä ja toimivuudesta saa kyllä kokemusta.
Pakko lohkaista: vihreä liike, eläinsuojelijat ja muu luontoväki saa tuosta uutisesta valtavasti buustia.
Lehtialan heebojen kannattaisi muuten (wink wink) tarttua välittömästi kynään ja alkaa julkaista "Luonnonsuojelujännitys" -lehteä, jossa sankaripilotit syöksyvät koneisiinsa ja nousevat jälkipoltto päällä ja tiedustelupodit kuumana kohti savannilla porsastavia rosvometsästäjiä. Samaan aikaan lentäjien kanssa yhteistoiminnassa olevat metsänvartijasissit siirtyvät sopiviin asemiin pussittamaan torjuntalennon mahdollisesti väistäneet konnat. Niinpä niin, oveluuteen tehoaa parhaiten vastaoveluus ja pian paha saa palkkansa.
Hävittäjät palaavat tukikohtaansa, lentäjät onnittelevat toisiaan tuloksekkaasta torjuntalennosta lentueenkomentajan odottaessa kentän laidalla ryhdikkäänä ja sissit palaavat tukikohtaansa tyytyväinen ja päättäväinen katse silmissään. Impotenttien sarviahmattien on tänäänkin tyydyttävä seisoppaan...
http://aviationweek.com/defense/opinion-how-tech-transfer-helped-saab-win-brazil
"The Gripen F is too expensive if thought of as a two-seat aircraft with the primary role of a trainer, but it is priceless if seen as a “battle-station concept” platform."
"The Gripen F is too expensive if thought of as a two-seat aircraft with the primary role of a trainer, but it is priceless if seen as a “battle-station concept” platform."
Gyllis1
Respected Leader
Korealaiset antavat Saabille sen omaa lääkettä:
South Korea’s Korea [Aerospace] Industries (KAI) is reportedly lobbying its government to help them secure the lucrative multi-billion jet fighter deal from Botswana, causing unease in Swedish Gripen fighter manufacturers Saab, secret documents passed to the Sunday Standard suggests.
Comparing their FA-50 T-50 to Swedish Gripen fighter jets, the South Koreans say the two fighter jets have same size, same engine similar performance but “competitor’s (Gripen) life cycle cost is estimated as three times to FA-50.” Citing a number of media articles, the reports from KAI state that leasing or buying and maintaining Gripens from Saab cost other countries billions of money as compared to South Korean fighter jets.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...ween-gripen-and-fa_50-for-botswana-order.html
South Korea’s Korea [Aerospace] Industries (KAI) is reportedly lobbying its government to help them secure the lucrative multi-billion jet fighter deal from Botswana, causing unease in Swedish Gripen fighter manufacturers Saab, secret documents passed to the Sunday Standard suggests.
Comparing their FA-50 T-50 to Swedish Gripen fighter jets, the South Koreans say the two fighter jets have same size, same engine similar performance but “competitor’s (Gripen) life cycle cost is estimated as three times to FA-50.” Citing a number of media articles, the reports from KAI state that leasing or buying and maintaining Gripens from Saab cost other countries billions of money as compared to South Korean fighter jets.
http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...ween-gripen-and-fa_50-for-botswana-order.html
Ylli
Majuri
Kertoo sen, että se olisi meille täydellinen lentolaite. Kukaan järkevä ihminen ei luule, että sodan sattuessa suomalaiset lentokoneet pommittelisivat syvällä vihollisalueella. Ilmavoimien hävittäjien primääritehtävä meidän oloissa on tunnistuslennot rauhan aikana, harmaassa vaiheessa tehdä torjuntalentoja ja varsinaisessa sodassa olemassaolollaan kiistää vihollisen ilmaherruus.
Hyvin kiteytetty.
