Malesialais-kone ammuttu alas Ukrainan kriisialueella

Tämä uutinen on huhtikuulta, mutta laitetaan tähän ketjuun omalaatuisuutensa vuoksi.

http://www.verkkouutiset.fi/ulkomaat/ukr_matkustajakoneen_kappale_museoon-34779

Venäläinen veteraanijärjestö "Taistelun veljeskunta" aikoo avata Neuvostoliiton toisen maailmansodan voittoa ihannoivan museon. Näytteille aiotaan myös asettaa kappale tuhoutuneesta MH17:sta.

Lentokoneen kappale on kuulemma saatu "Donetskin asukkailta kiitoksena järjestön antamasta avusta." Se myös kuulemma "todistaa", etteivät sepot ampuneet konetta alas !
 
Tekokuu-uutiset julistaa nyt suurena uutena tietona sitä, että ovat saaneet haltuunsa twitter-viestittelyä, joka todistaa, että Ukrainan armeijalle luovutettiin noin kuukautta ennen MH17 -turmaa Harkovassa korjattavana ollut Buk-ohjusvaunu.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150607/1023057320.html

On selvää, että tämän uutisen pitäisi nyt mukamas sitten antaa uskottavuutta tuolla Almazin versiolle.
 
Casus belli rakenteilla. Ei muuta.
 
Venäjällä on syytä olla varovainen; ensin syödään sana, sitten sanansyöjä!

"Only one thing can explain all this feverish activity: The Kremlin is very nervously awaiting the international commission's report on the cause of the Boeing crash. Moscow leaders know full well that they might soon become international pariahs — not just as supporters of insurgents fighting for the revival of Novorossia, but as the organizers of a military strike gone awry, an inadvertent terrorist attack that left 300 innocent people dead."

Kremlin Rushing to Cover Its Tracks on MH17 (Op-Ed)
5626-08-cartoon2108.jpg

Real experts take their time when conducting an investigation. They begin their work as quickly as possible, and then methodically gather and analyze the evidence — never allowing bias to influence their work — and wait until the time is right to announce their findings.

By contrast, the experts at Russian defense firm Almaz-Antey remained strangely silent when top Defense Ministry generals vehemently blamed Ukrainian attack aircraft for the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over the Donbass 11 months ago.

The Russian experts likewise held their tongues when state-controlled television teamed up with the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper to stir up a commotion over clearly doctored "evidence" showing that air-launched missiles downed the Malaysian passenger plane.

And, of course, those experts held their peace when journalist Mikhail Leontyev began hollering that a previously undisclosed satellite photo documented an aerial attack against the Boeing airliner, pointing to an alleged military aircraft the size of an aircraft carrier.

But now the time for the real experts has come. The Almaz-Antey company that developed the Buk anti-aircraft missile implicated by Western investigators in the crash on July 17, 2014 presented its own findings at a recent news conference.

According to that "investigation," Flight MH17 was struck by a surface-to-air missile type 9M38M or 9M38M1 carrying a warhead type 9M314 or 9M314M1 and fired from a Buk-M1 launcher — a conclusion it claims was easy to prove based on the shape of the debris that bears no resemblance to air-launched anti-aircraft missiles.

Of course, they could have reached that conclusion immediately after the tragedy when the evidence was still fresh. However, the Almaz-Antey experts, having no vested interest and placing honesty above all else, kept quiet until just a few days ago when they suddenly decided to drop their bombshell on the public.

Almaz-Antey technical adviser Mikhail Malyshevsky told a press conference: "The most characteristic damage … suggests that the crash was caused by the impact of a surface-to-air missile."

However, Almaz-Antey made these slight "modifications" to the truth for two reasons. First, it wanted to show that it was not involved in the tragedy in any way, that the Buk-M1 was made by a factory that stopped producing that missile several years before it became part of Almaz-Antey, and that the European Union's sanctions against the company were therefore unfair.

But the main reason the company launched its own "investigation" was to argue that the missile that downed MH17 was fired from the Zaroshchenskoye township in the Donetsk region where, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, a Ukrainian battery of Buk surface-to-air missiles was stationed at the time.

However, that claim holds about as much water as the original assertion that a Ukrainian aircraft shot down the Boeing. After all, Almaz-Antey just as vehemently refuted earlier press reports that the missile was fired from the village of Snezhnoye in the Donetsk region where separatists were based last summer.

Coming on the heels of Russia's repeated falsifications over the past year, the recent "evidence" from Almaz-Antey is essentially worthless. In fact, it is more of an authorization of "research" carried out by unnamed "defense industry experts" and published in Novaya Gazeta several weeks ago.

In order to add credibility to the idea, Almaz-Antey CEO Yan Novikov announced that the company is prepared to conduct an experiment to prove that MH17 was shot down by a missile fired from the Zaroshchenskoye region. "If necessary, we are prepared to carry out a full-scale field experiment with the participation of independent observers and experts. That is, we are ready to fire a 9M38M1 missile at the angle we indicated in our presentation at a decommissioned aircraft of the same manufacturer and design," Novikov said.

Never mind that it would be next to impossible — if not just plain absurd — for Russia to station such a weapons system on Ukrainian territory, fly an old Boeing into Ukrainian airspace and then shoot it down, together with its pilot.

The funniest part was that on the very next day, an Investigative Committee representative announced that the government had an eyewitness, a Ukrainian mechanic that allegedly saw a Ukrainian fighter taking off on a mission and later returning to the airport without its missiles.

I never cease to be amazed at the way the various government agencies in Russia's much-touted power vertical cannot even coordinate their activities well enough to at least present the same bald-faced lie to the public.

Only one thing can explain all this feverish activity: The Kremlin is very nervously awaiting the international commission's report on the cause of the Boeing crash. Moscow leaders know full well that they might soon become international pariahs — not just as supporters of insurgents fighting for the revival of Novorossia, but as the organizers of a military strike gone awry, an inadvertent terrorist attack that left 300 innocent people dead.

That is why they are unleashing every possible resource to create "white noise" — even enlisting the Almaz-Antey directors, who clearly wanted to steer clear of this vile business right from the start.

That way, when the international commission finally does announce its results, that tireless champion of justice Mikhail Leontyev can cry out: "Why didn't they agree to hold the full-scale field test that Almaz-Antey offered to carry out?" And, at least then, perhaps leaders will not be discredited in the eyes of the Russian people.
 
Venäjällä on syytä olla varovainen; ensin syödään sana, sitten sanansyöjä!

"Only one thing can explain all this feverish activity: The Kremlin is very nervously awaiting the international commission's report on the cause of the Boeing crash. Moscow leaders know full well that they might soon become international pariahs — not just as supporters of insurgents fighting for the revival of Novorossia, but as the organizers of a military strike gone awry, an inadvertent terrorist attack that left 300 innocent people dead."

Kremlin Rushing to Cover Its Tracks on MH17 (Op-Ed)
5626-08-cartoon2108.jpg

Real experts take their time when conducting an investigation. They begin their work as quickly as possible, and then methodically gather and analyze the evidence — never allowing bias to influence their work — and wait until the time is right to announce their findings.

By contrast, the experts at Russian defense firm Almaz-Antey remained strangely silent when top Defense Ministry generals vehemently blamed Ukrainian attack aircraft for the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over the Donbass 11 months ago.

The Russian experts likewise held their tongues when state-controlled television teamed up with the Komsomolskaya Pravda newspaper to stir up a commotion over clearly doctored "evidence" showing that air-launched missiles downed the Malaysian passenger plane.

And, of course, those experts held their peace when journalist Mikhail Leontyev began hollering that a previously undisclosed satellite photo documented an aerial attack against the Boeing airliner, pointing to an alleged military aircraft the size of an aircraft carrier.

But now the time for the real experts has come. The Almaz-Antey company that developed the Buk anti-aircraft missile implicated by Western investigators in the crash on July 17, 2014 presented its own findings at a recent news conference.

According to that "investigation," Flight MH17 was struck by a surface-to-air missile type 9M38M or 9M38M1 carrying a warhead type 9M314 or 9M314M1 and fired from a Buk-M1 launcher — a conclusion it claims was easy to prove based on the shape of the debris that bears no resemblance to air-launched anti-aircraft missiles.

Of course, they could have reached that conclusion immediately after the tragedy when the evidence was still fresh. However, the Almaz-Antey experts, having no vested interest and placing honesty above all else, kept quiet until just a few days ago when they suddenly decided to drop their bombshell on the public.

Almaz-Antey technical adviser Mikhail Malyshevsky told a press conference: "The most characteristic damage … suggests that the crash was caused by the impact of a surface-to-air missile."

However, Almaz-Antey made these slight "modifications" to the truth for two reasons. First, it wanted to show that it was not involved in the tragedy in any way, that the Buk-M1 was made by a factory that stopped producing that missile several years before it became part of Almaz-Antey, and that the European Union's sanctions against the company were therefore unfair.

But the main reason the company launched its own "investigation" was to argue that the missile that downed MH17 was fired from the Zaroshchenskoye township in the Donetsk region where, according to the Russian Defense Ministry, a Ukrainian battery of Buk surface-to-air missiles was stationed at the time.

However, that claim holds about as much water as the original assertion that a Ukrainian aircraft shot down the Boeing. After all, Almaz-Antey just as vehemently refuted earlier press reports that the missile was fired from the village of Snezhnoye in the Donetsk region where separatists were based last summer.

Coming on the heels of Russia's repeated falsifications over the past year, the recent "evidence" from Almaz-Antey is essentially worthless. In fact, it is more of an authorization of "research" carried out by unnamed "defense industry experts" and published in Novaya Gazeta several weeks ago.

In order to add credibility to the idea, Almaz-Antey CEO Yan Novikov announced that the company is prepared to conduct an experiment to prove that MH17 was shot down by a missile fired from the Zaroshchenskoye region. "If necessary, we are prepared to carry out a full-scale field experiment with the participation of independent observers and experts. That is, we are ready to fire a 9M38M1 missile at the angle we indicated in our presentation at a decommissioned aircraft of the same manufacturer and design," Novikov said.

Never mind that it would be next to impossible — if not just plain absurd — for Russia to station such a weapons system on Ukrainian territory, fly an old Boeing into Ukrainian airspace and then shoot it down, together with its pilot.

The funniest part was that on the very next day, an Investigative Committee representative announced that the government had an eyewitness, a Ukrainian mechanic that allegedly saw a Ukrainian fighter taking off on a mission and later returning to the airport without its missiles.

I never cease to be amazed at the way the various government agencies in Russia's much-touted power vertical cannot even coordinate their activities well enough to at least present the same bald-faced lie to the public.

Only one thing can explain all this feverish activity: The Kremlin is very nervously awaiting the international commission's report on the cause of the Boeing crash. Moscow leaders know full well that they might soon become international pariahs — not just as supporters of insurgents fighting for the revival of Novorossia, but as the organizers of a military strike gone awry, an inadvertent terrorist attack that left 300 innocent people dead.

That is why they are unleashing every possible resource to create "white noise" — even enlisting the Almaz-Antey directors, who clearly wanted to steer clear of this vile business right from the start.

That way, when the international commission finally does announce its results, that tireless champion of justice Mikhail Leontyev can cry out: "Why didn't they agree to hold the full-scale field test that Almaz-Antey offered to carry out?" And, at least then, perhaps leaders will not be discredited in the eyes of the Russian people.

Tuossa jutussa kyllä tiivistetään hyvin tuo venäläisten harjoittama sumutus ja kusetus. Ja esitetään hyvä pointti, jos kerran tuo ohjusvalmistaja Almaz on varma, että Buk sen koneen pudotti, niin miksi tämän julkituomisessa kesti melkein kokonainen vuosi ? Ja sitä ennen Venäjän propagandakoneisto jaksoi rummuttaa sitä onnetonta Suhoj Su-25 valhetta.
 
kansainväliseen oikeuteen saisi tehdä joukko kanteen tuosta alasampumisesta uhrien omaisten puolesta, missä vaadittaisiin venäjältä kovia korvauksia uhrien omaisille.
En usko että se niitä maksaisi mutta kuuluisi jo perjaatteen puolesta hakea kuolleille oikeutta ja heidän omaisilleen.
 
Novajagazetta kööri laittoi haastattelijat liikkeelle. Ja vahvistavat ettei Almaz-Antey väitteen suunnassa todellakaan ajellut eikä lennellyt bugeja.
Mutta Mh17 mahan alus kuulemma oli täynnään piilottelevia hävittäjiä. Ainakin kolme tai neljä väitti eräs.... LOLlahdin!
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/inquests/68728.html

Karseeta shaissea 50%!

Jo kesällä Venäjä julkisti niitä surkean huonosti piirrettyjä satelliittikuvia läheltä zaporitzhemikälie kylää. Joten höpötys ammuttiin alas jo viime heinäkuussa, kuten about kaikki muukin venäjän keksimä valhe.
 
Tässä muutama uutispoiminta Venäjän propagandauutistoimistolta:

24.6. julkaistu juttu: Hollanti esittää YK:n turvallisuusneuvoston tukeman kansainvälisen tuomioistuimen perustamista. Sen tehtävänä olisi syyteharkinta tapauksen tiimoilta.

http://sputniknews.com/europe/20150624/1023773354.html


26.6. julkaistu uutinen: Venäjä vastustaa tällaisen elimen muodostamista. Varaulkoministerin mukaan "ajankohta ei ole sopiva eikä muutenkaan kovin miellyttävää." Siis Venäjän kannalta tietenkin (mikä "yllätys").

http://sputniknews.com/world/20150626/1023880707.html


1.7. eli tänään ilmestynyt juttu: Hollantilaiset tutkijat ovat saaneet hiljattain valmiiksi loppuraportin luonnoksen ja se on lähtenyt lausuntokierrokselle, mm. Venäjällekin.

http://sputniknews.com/world/20150701/1024095872.html
 
Tutkijat ovat tunnistaneet useita kiinnostavia henkilöitä, jotka liittyvät malesialaiskoneen alas ampumiseen Ukrainassa viime vuoden heinäkuussa, hollantilaiset syyttäjät kertovat.

– Meillä on iso ryhmä ihmisiä, joista olemme tällä hetkellä kiinnostuneita, joita kohtaan meillä on keskimääräistä suurempi kiinnostus, pääsyyttäjä Fred Westerbeke kertoi Rotterdamissa tiistaina pidetyssä lehdistötilaisuudessa.

– Mutta emme ole vielä valmiita ottamaan virallista askelta, joka tekisi heistä epäiltyjä.

Hollanti johtaa kansainvälistä tutkimusta onnettomuuden syistä. Se on myös vastuussa rikossyytteiden nostamisesta niitä vastaan, jotka ovat vastuussa onnettomuudesta. Tutkimukseen osallistuvat Hollannin lisäksi Belgia, Ukraina, Malesia ja Australia.

Tutkinta kestää ainakin vuoden loppuun
Tutkijat ovat haastatelleet sataa silminnäkijää ja tarkastelleet valtavan määrän materiaalia, videoita ja sosiaalisessa mediassa levinneitä tietoja. Pääsyyttäjän mukaan tutkimuksessa on otettu merkittäviä edistysaskeleita, mutta jutun asiakirjojen kokoaminen oikeudenkäyntiä varten kestää ainakin vuoden loppuun.

Tutkijat pitävät todennäköisimpänä, että kone ammuttiin alas maasta ilmaan laukaistulla ohjuksella. Pääsyyttäjä Fred Westerbeken mukaan muita teorioita ei kuitenkaan voida vielä sulkea pois.

Sekä Ukrainan hallituksen joukot että Venäjä-mieliset separatistit ovat kieltäneet osallisuutensa onnettomuuteen. Malesialaiskoneessa kuoli 298 ihmistä, joista suurin osa oli hollantilaisia.

Kahden uhrin jäänteitä ei ole löydetty
Kahden malesialaiskoneessa kuolleen ihmisen ruumiita ei ole vieläkään löydetty. Hollannin oikeusministerin Ard van der Steurin mukaan jäänteiden löytäminen on epätodennäköistä. Niitä on etsitty onnettomuuspaikalta useita kertoja.

Viimeiset kaksi kadoksissa olevaa kuolonuhria ovat hollantilaisia, ja heidän henkilöllisyytensä on tiedossa. Van der Steur sanoo toivovansa, että kaikki ruumiit voitaisiin palauttaa omaisille heinäkuun 17. päivään mennessä.

Hollanti on ehdottanut, että YK:n turvallisuusneuvosto voisi perustaa kansainvälisen tuomioistuimen, jossa ampumisesta vastuussa olevat tuomittaisiin. Venäjä on ilmoittanut vastustavansa tuomioistuimen perustamista.

Hollannin ulkoministeri Bert Koenders kertoikin eilen maanantaina, että hän keskustelee useiden eri maiden kanssa tehokkaimmasta vaihtoehdosta syyllisten tuomitsemiseen.

http://yle.fi/uutiset/tutkijat_tunn...ialaiskoneen_alas_ampumiseen_liittyen/8116875
 
Novajagazetta kööri laittoi haastattelijat liikkeelle. Ja vahvistavat ettei Almaz-Antey väitteen suunnassa todellakaan ajellut eikä lennellyt bugeja.
Mutta Mh17 mahan alus kuulemma oli täynnään piilottelevia hävittäjiä. Ainakin kolme tai neljä väitti eräs.... LOLlahdin!
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/inquests/68728.html

Karseeta shaissea 50%!

Jo kesällä Venäjä julkisti niitä surkean huonosti piirrettyjä satelliittikuvia läheltä zaporitzhemikälie kylää. Joten höpötys ammuttiin alas jo viime heinäkuussa, kuten about kaikki muukin venäjän keksimä valhe.

On ryssä taas kerran ihmeissään, kun tavallisesti kotimaassaan kaikki selitykset missä tahansa asiassa menee läpi, mutta lännessä ei usko kukaan.
 
Eiköhän Venäjä luovuta oikeuden eteen joitakin elinkautisvangeistaan. Omaisille luvataan dealissä hieman rahaa.
Lisään vielä että esimerkiksi Suomen vankila voisi hieman enemmän motivoida kuin Siperian takana oleva vastineensa.
 
Tämä katastrofi oli monen asian summa.
A) Venäjä luovutti Bukin sepoille.
B) Sepot ampuivat sokkona luullen konetta viholliseksi.
C) Ukraina ahneuksissaan ei sulkenut ilmatilaansa, vaikka maassa sodittiin.
D) Lentoyhtiö samaten ahneuksissaan käytti lyhintä reittiä määränpäähän eikä koukannut ulkopuolelta.
 
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