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Mitenkähän usein tuota Maakotkaa edeltänyttä alkuperäistä kaukotähystysvärkkiä käytettiin yläkerta miehitettynä? Järjestelmä oli rakennettu niin että maston päässä oli tarvittaessa tila myös tähystäjälle. Todellinen huippuduuni :D
 
Tampellasta Patriaan-kirjassa kerrotaan joissain koeammunnoissa ampuneen yli 50km päähän joskus edellisellä vuosituhannella vai oliko tämäkin salaista tietoa?

Eipä ole tätä kirjaa hyllyssä. Eppäillä kuitenkin soppii. Pitää joskus kirjastossa tarkistaa...

Patria suoritti koeammuntoja Katajaluodossa loppukesällä 2001. Ne liittyivät Egyptin kanssa tehtyyn kauppaan, jossa piti valmistaa tykkitorni (ja tykki myös tietysti) T55 vaunun alustalle. Kauppoja ei tullut mutta
tämän tykin taulukkoammunnoissa pisin amet oli 46 km. Tehtaan edustajat ovat kertoneet, että tämä on pisin matka mitä tykillä on Suomessa ammuttu. On varmaan ollut runsaasti huviveneilijöiden hätistelyä, sillä takavaara-alue menee vielä huomattavasti pisintä ametia kauemmas. Varoitukset luetaan aina radiossa, mutta nettiaikana ei enää kaikki sitä kuuntele.
 
Tampellasta Patriaan-kirjassa kerrotaan joissain koeammunnoissa ampuneen yli 50km päähän joskus edellisellä vuosituhannella vai oliko tämäkin salaista tietoa?

Uskon. Kun Saddam palkkasi supertykin kehittäjän ennen persiansotaa II, hän oli putkia väsäämässä jossain päin Irakin aavikkoseutua, kun jenkkien ryhmä nappasi hänet ja ryhmän muita tiedemiehiä. Joten tuossa helvetin pitkässä M777ssa on käytetty hänen osaamistaan, samanlailla miten jenkit käyttivät Von Braunia edistämään NASAa.
 
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Eipä ole tätä kirjaa hyllyssä. Eppäillä kuitenkin soppii. Pitää joskus kirjastossa tarkistaa...

Patria suoritti koeammuntoja Katajaluodossa loppukesällä 2001. Ne liittyivät Egyptin kanssa tehtyyn kauppaan, jossa piti valmistaa tykkitorni (ja tykki myös tietysti) T55 vaunun alustalle. Kauppoja ei tullut mutta
tämän tykin taulukkoammunnoissa pisin amet oli 46 km. Tehtaan edustajat ovat kertoneet, että tämä on pisin matka mitä tykillä on Suomessa ammuttu. On varmaan ollut runsaasti huviveneilijöiden hätistelyä, sillä takavaara-alue menee vielä huomattavasti pisintä ametia kauemmas. Varoitukset luetaan aina radiossa, mutta nettiaikana ei enää kaikki sitä kuuntele.

Saatto olla just tuo 46km.
 
Eipä ole tätä kirjaa hyllyssä. Eppäillä kuitenkin soppii. Pitää joskus kirjastossa tarkistaa...

Patria suoritti koeammuntoja Katajaluodossa loppukesällä 2001. Ne liittyivät Egyptin kanssa tehtyyn kauppaan, jossa piti valmistaa tykkitorni (ja tykki myös tietysti) T55 vaunun alustalle. Kauppoja ei tullut mutta
tämän tykin taulukkoammunnoissa pisin amet oli 46 km. Tehtaan edustajat ovat kertoneet, että tämä on pisin matka mitä tykillä on Suomessa ammuttu. On varmaan ollut runsaasti huviveneilijöiden hätistelyä, sillä takavaara-alue menee vielä huomattavasti pisintä ametia kauemmas. Varoitukset luetaan aina radiossa, mutta nettiaikana ei enää kaikki sitä kuuntele.
Suomen Sotilaassa oli silloin juttua tuosta. Muistaakseni piti olla kova vientituote.
 
Aikamoinen viritelmä tuo. Siinä on yhdistetty TSTPSV, kenttätykki ja kuorma-auto.
Ovat hoksanneet, että miksi vetää, kun voi kantaa. Lavetti on neuvostoliittolainen "artillery tractor", tykinvetäjä. AT-T, AT-L, ATT-25, ATS-59 tai vastaava. TSTPSV + kuorma-auto on hyvä luonnehdinta, esim. AT-T (kuvassa) perustui t-54:aan.

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Uskon. Kun Saddam palkkasi supertykin kehittäjän ennen persiansotaa II, hän oli putkiä väsäämässä jossain Irakin aavikkoseutua, kun jenkkien ryhmä nappasi hänet ja ryhmän muita tiedemiehiä. Joten tuossa helvetin pitkässä M777ssa on käytetty hänen osaamistaan, samanlailla miten jenkit käyttivät Von Braunia edistämään NASAa.

Jos Gerald Bullia tarkoitat niin en usko ukon vaikuttaneen paljoakaan uusimman M777 version kehittelyyn.
Bull concurrently worked on the Scud project, making calculations for the new nose-cone needed for the higher re-entry speeds and temperatures the missile would face. Over a period of a few months following, his apartment suffered several non-robbery break-ins, apparently as a threat or a warning, but he continued to work on the project. In March 1990 he was assassinated, allegedly by Iranian or Israeli intelligence services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull
 
Oliko jo täällä?
TARGETING AMMO
DND'S NEED FOR MUNITIONS
By David Pugliese

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Canadian Armed Forces Ammunition Technicians in Kuwait assemble 500-pound guided bombs that will be mounted on CF-188 Fighter jets flying combat missions over Iraq during Operation IMPACT on October 31, 2014 . The RCAF would like to acquire low-collateral damage weapons (LCDW) for use in targeted missions over cities and "politically sensitive operations" to cut down on the likelihood of collateral damage. (DND)

Ammunition and weapon systems are the backbone of militaries everywhere. With that in mind, the Canadian Armed Forces has outlined a number of key projects that will see the acquisition of everything from new bombs for the RCAF to the replacement of existing anti-tank weapons for the Canadian Army.

Several billion-dollars worth of contacts will be awarded over the next decade. The various programs have already attracted interest from industry leaders ranging from General Dynamics and Raytheon to Nammo.

For the RCAF, precision weapons are seen as key for the future battlefield.

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Munitions are the backbone of armies worldwide. The Canadian Armed Forces is embarking on a plan to acquire new weapons and munitions over the next decade. (david pugliese)

This requirement was initially highlighted in 2011 and 2012 by then Lt.-Gen. Charles Bouchard, who is now with Lockheed Martin Canada. Bouchard helped coordinate the NATO air campaign over Libya, an operation driven by the need to limit civilian casualties.

That same concern is now at the forefront of Operation Impact, the mission to Iraq. CF-18s have struck enemy targets ranging from vehicles to buildings to fighting positions 122 times so far. “Canada is quite confident that with all the strikes that we’ve executed, there is absolutely no evidence of civilian casualties associated with our strikes,” Royal Canadian Navy Capt. Paul Forget told journalists July 9 at an Operation Impact update.

To ensure that continues in the future, the RCAF has identified the need for what is being called a low-collateral damage weapon, or LCDW. Such a weapon could be used in cities and “politically sensitive operations” to cut down on the likelihood of civilian deaths, the service noted.

According to the RCAF, an LCDW must provide weapon effects “with a footprint less than a 500lb general-purpose bomb.”

The branch could spend up to $99 million on the purchase. Options analysis starts next year with a contract to be awarded in 2018. Deliveries are to start soon after and be completed by 2020.

In addition, the RCAF is looking at what it is calling the complex weapon (CW). That would provide the RCAF with an advanced air-to-ground/air-to-surface weapons capability for CF-18s in what the service is calling “operations in a network-enabled environment.”

Less bombs are being carried on today’s fighter jets so the RCAF is essentially looking for a weapon that can do more. “This weapon will deliver more precise, flexible, and efficient payloads from greater standoff distances and operate in anti-access scenarios in the face of advanced threats,” it has informed industry representatives. “It will be multi-mode, allowing guidance to the target through multiple methods, ensuring all-weather capability.”

While the weapon will be outfitted on the CF-18, it will also be capable of being used by the next fighter aircraft Canada chooses.

The project is valued at up to $99 million, with a request for proposals set for 2019, and a contract a year later.

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Gunners fire a C3 Howser during a nighttime exercise. This is a close support, field artillery weapon that is mobile, general purpose, light towed, and has the capability to fire extended range munitions up to 18 kilometres. The C3 is manually operated, single-loaded and air-cooled. The C3 is structurally similar to the C1 Howitzer, but is distinguished by its longer 33-calibre barrel and muzzle brake. The gun can fire all standard NATO 105mm Howitzer ammunition. (DND)

The acquisition of advanced short-range missiles to replace the current AIM-9M is also along the same timeline. The RCAF says this acquisition, which could be worth up to $499 million, is for the CF-18.

But final delivery of the missiles would take place in 2025, the year the CF-18 is supposed to be removed from service to make way for the next generation Canadian fighter. In other words, the missile would need to be compatible with whatever future aircraft is selected.

The RCAF is also conducting an options analysis this year on what it is calling medium range air-to-air missile sustainment. This project will maintain sufficient stocks of advanced medium range air-to-air missiles (AMRAAM). The cost will be anywhere from $250 million to $499 million.

Over the longer term, the service also wants to acquire a new long range air-to-air missile, which could cost up to $499 million. But work won’t start until after 2026 so this will be a weapon to be outfitted on Canada’s next fighter aircraft.

If that next fighter aircraft is the F-35, Nammo is standing by to provide Canada with ammunition. The Nammo 25mm APEX ammunition is designed to counter a range of threats and is a next-generation armour-piercing, high explosive round.

The Canadian Army has its sights set on a new ground-based air munitions defence system that would be capable of destroying aircraft, mortar rounds, artillery shells and rockets, Col. Greg Ivey, director of land requirements, told industry representatives during a briefing in April. Identification is underway on potential systems that might fit the bill. The system would be designed to fill the air defence gap the Army now faces.

On a more immediate schedule is a makeover of sorts for the Canadian Army’s 84mm Carl Gustaf, a multi-role, man-portable shoulder-fired weapon. New ammunition will be purchased allowing the launcher to fire both smoke and illumination rounds. Up to $49 million is earmarked for the project. A contract would be awarded next year, noted Major Jonathan Herbert, who is with the Director of Land Requirements office. Deliveries would commence shortly after and the ammunition would be all delivered by 2019.

Over the longer term the Army will upgrade the Carl Gustaf by acquiring a lighter weight recoilless rifle and a new sighting and fire control system that is compatible with the family of existing and future 84mm ammunition. It will also allow for increased accuracy in various conditions, according to the Army.

The existing optical sighting system will be replaced with an advanced sighting system to improve the weapon’s accuracy, the Army has noted in the Defence Acquisition Guide (DAG). That upgrade may include a target range finder, and a system to compensate for weather conditions and the gunner’s movement. The new weapon will be compatible with the existing ammunition and weigh significantly less than the existing system, the DAG added.

But troops shouldn’t necessarily think they are getting a lighter weapon. The reduction in weight of the gun is expected to be offset with the additional weight of the advanced sighting system.

Options analysis on this project, which could see up to $99 million spent, is not expected to get underway until 2021. A contract award would come sometime after 2026.

At CANSEC 2015 Saab was highlighting its new Carl Gustaf M4, which is lighter and has improved ergonomics. It comes with various sight options: open sight, a red dot sight and a clip-on telescopic sight. The M4 is compatible with intelligent sights, allowing the user to choose from a range of systems, Saab has noted.

To deal with spending restrictions imposed by the Conservative government, the Army decided several years ago to get rid of its Tube-launched, Optically-tracked, Wire-guided (TOW2) missiles, which it spent $100 million on acquiring.

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The Canadian Army is seeking new ammunition for its Carl Gustaf weapon and in the future will also acquire a lighter recoilless rifle. In use since 1948, the Carl Gusaf has been supporting dismounted infantry around the world - including Canada - in dealing with a full range of battlefield challenges. The M4, the newest version of the Carl Gustaf and which Canada is considering, is the lightest model yet and is compatible with intelligent sight systems. (David Pugliese)

Now the Army wants to buy a new multi-purpose anti-armour and anti-structure portable and mounted weapon system to replace the legacy TOWs. The price range for this project is $500 million to $1.5 billion and it is not expected to start until after 2026, according to DAG. Deliveries will take place in the 2030s.

The Army also had decided in 2010 to dump its 60mm mortars. In their place, it awarded Rheinmetall Canada Inc. a $95 million contract for 304 Close Area Suppression Weapon (CASW) systems. Nammo has also delivered 40mm rounds for the Army’s CASW.

Now, the Army has a requirement for a Close Indirect Fire Modernization (CIFM) Project. This will see the purchase of new indirect fire systems “such as, but not limited to, a modern mortar system,” the Army has noted in the DAG.

The cost will be between $250 million to $499 million. But again it is farther off down the road. A request for proposals is expected in 2021 and a contract awarded two years later.

More immediate is the desire to sustaining the 155mm M777 howitzer. That is the aim of what is being called the Lightweight Towed Howitzer Project. This will initially involve an interim support contract for the 37 guns, followed by a long-term support contract running up to 20 years. The contract is expected to be awarded next year.

The Royal Canadian Navy also hasn’t been left out of the planning. (See separate article on the proposed Naval Remote Weapon Station.)

The RCN will also upgrade the MK 46 Mod 5A (shallow water) lightweight torpedo to improve fleet survivability against evolving near and medium-term underwater threats.

The upgraded lightweight torpedo would be capable of unrestricted employment in oceanic, shelf and littoral maritime environments, in water temperatures and salinity worldwide (across the range of polar, temperate and equatorial latitudes), as well in various sea states and water depths, according to the DAG.

It will also be expected to deliver effective performance in northern and Arctic waters, where the presence of sea ice, either in pack or broken form, is routinely expected. It is to be capable of attacking and destroying submarine contacts operating at the ice edge, the RCN also noted.

The cost estimates range between $250 million to $499 million, depending on numbers purchased. Request for proposals won’t come until after 2021 with deliveries to begin in 2026.

The RCN has already expressed interest in Raytheon’s MK 54, the next generation of the MK 46 torpedo. Raytheon points out that navies with MK 46 models in their inventory can easily convert them into MK 54 torpedoes using the low-cost upgrade kit. The kit, which is installed in-country, replaces older components with state-of-the-art digital technology, Raytheon officials have pointed out.

The RCN has also added a new project to the DAG: the torpedo countermeasure hard kill system. In other words, this weapon will destroy torpedoes before they can strike at RCN submarines and ships.

The system will be fielded until the end of life of the Halifax-class frigate, with a contract awarded in 2022. The weapon will be also used on Victoria-class submarines, the Joint Support Ships and the Canadian Surface Combatant. Cost estimates for that project range from $100 million to $249 mill
http://espritdecorps.ca/targeting-ammo-dnds-need-for-munitions/
 
Jos Gerald Bullia tarkoitat niin en usko ukon vaikuttaneen paljoakaan uusimman M777 version kehittelyyn.

Kun jenkit saivat haltuun irakin he löysivät Geraldin pitkiä putkia Saddamin vartioimasta paikasta. Saddam halusi saada pitkän matkan putkia, ja Mr Bull halusi käyttää noita putkia satelliitin pistämiselle kiertoradalla. Vaikka ukko kuoli, niin projekti pysyi koipalloista, kunnes jenkit löysivät ne ja sitten ne kummallisesti katosivat pentagonin kätköihin. Joten uskon, että he ovat käyttäneet hänen oppejaan m777 pitkän matkan modissa.
 
Kun jenkit saivat haltuun irakin he löysivät Geraldin pitkiä putkia Saddamin vartioimasta paikasta. Saddam halusi saada pitkän matkan putkia, ja Mr Bull halusi käyttää noita putkia satelliitin pistämiselle kiertoradalla. Vaikka ukko kuoli, niin projekti pysyi koipalloista, kunnes jenkit löysivät ne ja sitten ne kummallisesti katosivat pentagonin kätköihin. Joten uskon, että he ovat käyttäneet hänen oppejaan m777 pitkän matkan modissa.

Nyt on foliohatut kohdallaan! Tämä oli kyllä tämän vuoden paras salaliittoteoria tähän mennessä...
 
With the help of the CIA, Bull landed a contract to supply the South African government with 30,000 artillery shells, artillery barrels, and plans for an advanced Howitzer called the GC-45. His help was considered by some to be vital in South Africa’s ultimate victory over Angola in that war. But, after President Carter came to office in 1976 Bull was arrested by the UN in South Africa for illegal arms dealing and, as per the terms of his plea, served six months in a US penitentiary in 1980.

After his release, Bull continued to improve his Howitzer designs for the South African company Armscor. The end product was the G5 Howitzer that is capable of firing rounds over 30 miles. It was then—and remains today—one of the most advanced pieces of artillery in the world. But at home in Quebec, he was again sued and fined $55,000 for international arms dealing. After the suit he emigrated from Canada and set up shop in Brussels with a subsidiary of the SRC.

His success on the G5 won the attention of both Iraq and China. He built and sold advanced artillery to both nations through an Austrian outfit throughout the 1980s. Having developed something of a personal rapport with Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, Bull finally saw an opportunity to realize his ultimate goal. He convinced Hussein that, like Israel, Iraq needed the ability to launch satellites into orbit if it were ever to become a true regional power.

Work began on Project Babylon with a prototype of the supergun in the mid-1980s. This gun, named Baby Babylon, had a bore diameter of about 1 foot, and was approximately 100 feet long. It was mounted horizontally for test purposes, and was believed to have been constructed solely to develop the technology needed for Big Babylon. Nevertheless, Baby Babylon would have had a range of over 400 miles if properly mounted.

The appropriately named Big Babylon was so large that it had to be dug into a hillside for support. Its bore was 3 feet in diameter, and was over 500 feet long. Once completed it would have been capable of launching over 2 tons into orbit—about the size of a small reconnaissance satellite.

Bull was not entirely blind to the implications of Project Babylon, and according to some sources, he briefed several intelligence agencies including Britain’s MI5 and Israel’s Mossad on the ultimate aims of the project. Because it was completely immobile, slow to fire, and highly visible, Bull argued that Big Babylon was not a direct military threat to Israel or anyone else.

In 1990, the political winds shifted again; Iraq invaded Kuwait. Bull now found himself in the very difficult position of working for a dictator who was suddenly an enemy in the eyes of the entire world. Even worse, Bull had been working for years to improve Iraq’s Scud missile in exchange for Hussein’s funding of Project Babylon.

In early 1990, Bull’s apartment in Brussels was broken into several times over the course of a few months. Each time, items would be purposefully rearranged or carefully ransacked. In retrospect, these break-ins were probably a warning to Bull that went unheeded. In March 1990, Bull was shot five times in the back of the neck while entering his apartment. No one heard the shots, and no one saw the shooter.
http://www.damninteresting.com/project-babylon-gerald-bulls-downfall/

Gerald Bull’s story is a fascinating one full of intrigue and tragedy. Like very few others, his fate was tied to events on the world stage. Yet his ill luck owed much to his personality and insensitive pursuit of his dream. After the fall of Iraq in Operation Desert Storm, Project Babylon was dismantled entirely and shipped back to the UK where most of its parts had originated. Brilliant and cagey, Bull carried most of his expertise to the grave. Because of this loss of knowledge, along with his ultimate failure and spectacular downfall, supergun artillery may have forever perished with him.

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Kuva on irakin toisen sodan ajoilta. Joten CV, jos jenkit lopulta omi saddamin putken, niin miksi jenkit eivät reverse engineer kyseenomaista projektia, ja käytä siitä oppimiaan tietoja hyväksi aivan samanlailla kuin he tekivät Operation Paper Clipin ihmisille?
 
Mikä tuossa on foliohattuilua, arvon CV?
Sinä siis vakavasti väität että yhden inssin 80-luvulla kehittämät tekniset ratkaisut olivat niin aikansa edellä että ne 2004 sysäsivät koko Yhdysvaltojen tykistön kehitystä eteenpäin enemmän kun +20v kehitystyö kaikilla jenkkien omilla resursseilla? Ja väität että nämä 80-luvulla (jopa 70-luvun puolella) kehitetyt asejärjestelmien ominaisuudet säilyivät salaisuutena USA:n sotilas- ja siviilitiedustelulle samat yli 20v ja aukesivat vasta kun salaisuudet saatiin sotasaaliksi? Selvä...
 
Kuva on irakin toisen sodan ajoilta. Joten CV, jos jenkit lopulta omi saddamin putken, niin miksi jenkit eivät reverse engineer kyseenomaista projektia, ja käytä siitä oppimiaan tietoja hyväksi aivan samanlailla kuin he tekivät Operation Paper Clipin ihmisille?
Jep jep ja kaiken takana on NWO...
Näkemiin!
 
Sinä siis vakavasti väität että yhden inssin 80-luvulla kehittämät tekniset ratkaisut olivat niin aikansa edellä että ne 2004 sysäsivät koko Yhdysvaltojen tykistön kehitystä eteenpäin enemmän kun +20v kehitystyö kaikilla jenkkien omilla resursseilla?

Niin kävi Von Braunin kanssa. Jenkkien avaruusteollisuus oli V2sen isän harteilla. Ja Gerald Butler oli aikaansa edellä tykistössä.

Jep jep ja kaiken takana on NWO...
Näkemiin!

Mistä ihmeestä NWO tuli tähän mukaan?
 
CV sä asetat koko arvovaltasi esille, kun sä tyrmäät suoraan mitä toinen sanoo. Melkein samanlailla kuin ihmiset jotka uskoivat silmittömästi siihen, että maailma on litteä. Jos mä olen väärässä, niin osoita, elä väitä, please. Eläkä tuo mitään vitun nwo hattuilua tähän mukaan.
 
CV sä asetat koko arvovaltasi esille, kun sä tyrmäät suoraan mitä toinen sanoo. Melkein samanlailla kuin ihmiset jotka uskoivat silmittömästi siihen, että maailma on litteä. Jos mä olen väärässä, niin osoita, elä väitä, please. Eläkä tuo mitään vitun nwo hattuilua tähän mukaan.

Mielestäni tuossa M777 projektissa ei tarvita mitään mitä jenkit (tai itseasiassa BAE, joka on tehnyt 52 kaliberin putkia muillekin) eivät saisi tietoon ilman tuota tyyppiäkin tai eivät osaisi tehdä muutekin. Oppia on saatettu saada E-Afrikasta, mutta he ovat oppineet uutta Bullin kuoleman jälkeen.
 
Kertokaa mulle, minne katosi Bullin paperit? Kaikki sen tutkimukset? Murhan ymmärrän Mossadin puolelta. Eikä mulla ole sitä mitään vastaan, mutta silti hän oli aikaansa edellä.
 
Bullin paperit ja firmansa SRC:n ymmärrys levisi sanan mukaisesti maailman tuuliin ja tunnen henkilökohtaisestikin yhden varsin pitkälle päässeen entisen alaisensa. Mitään suurta salaliittoa asiassa ei ole, leviäähän se firma, kun johtaja ja firman aivot ammutaan.

Pitkäikäisimmäksi Bullin keksinnöksi taisi jäädä ns. nubsillinen ammusmalli eli "extended range full bore". Suomessakin kehitettiin Patria Vammas Oy:ssä samoilla periaatteilla 90-luvun lopulta alkaen 155 HEER-BB N(ubs) ammus, joka lensi kauemmas ja tarkemmin kuin mikään ennen nähty, mutta ei kelvannut Pv:ille syistä, joita en tässä ala ruotia.

Itse aseiden osalta Bullin merkittävin saavutus olivat juurikin nuo G5 & GC-45, joiden lay-out on paljon velkaa Tampellan / Soltamin tykeille.

G.V Bull & C.H Murphy "Paris Kanonen - the Paris Guns (Wilhelmgeshütze) and Project HARP" vuodelta 1988 on Se Kirja, jonka jokaisen Bullin toimista kiinnostuneen pitäisi lukea, mutta ikävä kyllä hinta on käytettynäkin satasia. Kirjan lopussa on myös luku, jossa kuvaillaan myöhemmin Babylon-tykkinä tunnettua laitetta. Kappaleen nimi "Orbital Performance, 32 inch (approx. one meter) System" kertoo kaiken olennaisen eli kyseessä on ampumalaite, jolla hyötykuorma saadaan maata kiertävälle radalle.

M777:n putken pidentämiseen jenkit eivät todellakaan tarvitse mitään Bullin peruja tai mistään muualtakaan, tekniikka on tunnettua jopa Suomessakin, vrt. 155KAN68 @ 33 kal => 155K83 @ 39 => 155K98 @ 52 kal. putki ja siitä seurannut kantaman kasvaminen.
 
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