Makkaramestari
Kapteeni
No jos jenkeillä meni muutaman sadan wagnerin jyräämiseen kauemmin, niin vähän on kyllä ryssien suorituskyvyssä lapinlisää mukana.
Ukrainan konflikti/sota
F-35-hankinta kera risteily-Jassmien, Stoltenbergin vierailu, Putinin puheet Venäjää uhkaavan länsiaseistuksen sijoittamisesta Venäjän rajalle ja vaatimukset Naton itälaajentumisen lopettamisesta, maskirovka...
Nyt kun maailman huomio on Ukrainassa, niin minä kiikaroisin Saimaan lomakeskusten liikennettä urheilujoukkueiden majoittumisen varalta tavallista tarkemmin.
Nyt kun maailman huomio on Ukrainassa, niin minä kiikaroisin Saimaan lomakeskusten liikennettä urheilujoukkueiden majoittumisen varalta tavallista tarkemmin.
StepanRudanskij
Respected Leader
Joo, ja kun Jokerit lentää stadiin pelaamaan seuraavan kerran niin pitää kattoo ketä siinä joukkuessa oikeesti onkaan...
rty19
Greatest Leader
Bidenhän jo ilmoitti että USA ei aio lähteä sotaan jos tuo tapahtuu. Aseavusta Ukrainalle en tiedä. Taloudellisia pakotteita tulee varmasti.
Bidenillä on a sekä b plan. A PLAN sisältää: Venäjän talous ajetaan alas sekä tuetaan urkainaa sotilaallisella materialla sekä B plan sisältää: Yhdysvaltalaisia merijalkaväen sotilaita sekä Kovempia täsmäpommeja venäjää vastaan.
Dragonslayer
Kapteeni
Google-käännös. Venäjä ei toki sitoudu Ukrainan itsenäisyyteen.
10/12/21 18 : 10
We note the expression expressed by the President of the United States J. Biden during the December 7 of this year. talks with President Vladimir Putin; readiness to establish a serious dialogue on issues related to ensuring the security of the Russian Federation. Such a dialogue is urgently needed today, when relations between Russia and the collective West continue to deteriorate and have come to a critical point. At the same time, in recent days, various free interpretations of our position have been multiplying. In this regard, we consider it necessary to once again clarify the following.
Whipping up confrontation with our country is absolutely unacceptable. As a pretext, the situation in Ukraine is used, in relation to which the West has taken a course towards encouraging Russophobia, shielding the actions of the Kiev regime to disrupt the Minsk agreements and preparing for a scenario of force in the Donbass.
Instead of curbing their Ukrainian protégés, NATO countries are pushing Kiev to take aggressive steps. There is no other way to interpret the more frequent unscheduled exercises of the United States and its allies in the Black Sea. Aircraft of NATO member states, including strategic bombers, regularly make provocative overflights and dangerous maneuvers near the borders of Russia. The military development of the territory of Ukraine continues, the pumping of the country with weapons.
A course has been taken to draw Ukraine into NATO, which is fraught with the appearance there of strike missile systems with a minimum flight time to Central Russia and other destabilizing weapons. Such irresponsible behavior creates unacceptable threats to our security, provokes serious military risks for all parties involved, up to a large-scale conflict in Europe.
At the same time, it is argued that the question of Ukraine's hypothetical NATO membership concerns exclusively Kiev and the alliance, and no one should interfere in this process. Let us recall, however, that in addition to the Washington Treaty, NATO countries also have commitments regarding the indivisibility of security in the Euro-Atlantic area, throughout the OSCE area. This principle was first declared in the Helsinki Final Act, and then reaffirmed and strengthened in the Charter of Paris for a New Europe in 1990, which states: "The security of everyone is inextricably linked to the security of everyone else." And in 1999, at the OSCE summit in Istanbul, the Charter for European Security was adopted, in which it was emphasized that the participating States "will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other states."
All of these documents were signed by the top leaders of the OSCE participating States, including all NATO countries. However, in violation of the principle of the indivisibility of security - as well as in violation of the promises made to the Soviet leadership - all these years NATO has consistently moved eastward, ignoring the concerns expressed by Moscow, and each time NATO replenishment added to this bloc a frenzied anti-Russian charge.
We have long drawn attention to the inadmissibility of such a development of events. Over the past decades, it has been suggested more than once to agree on making the principle of equal and indivisible security in the Euro-Atlantic space legally binding, since the West is clearly not in the mood to fulfill the above-mentioned political obligations. However, we were invariably refused.
In this regard, as President Vladimir Putin emphasizes, we insist on the development - in a specific period of time and on the basis of the principle of equal and indivisible security - serious long-term legal guarantees, excluding any further NATO advance to the east and the deployment of threatening weapons systems in the West. borders of Russia.
In the fundamental interests of European security, it is necessary to formally disavow the decision of the 2008 NATO Bucharest summit that "Ukraine and Georgia will become NATO members" as contrary to the commitment of the leaders of all OSCE participating States - "not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others."
We insist on the legal consolidation of the agreement on the non-deployment by the United States and other NATO countries of strike weapons systems that pose a threat to the Russian Federation on the territory of neighboring countries, both members and not members of the North Atlantic Alliance.
We also insist on receiving a concrete NATO response to our earlier proposals to reduce tensions in Europe, including, in particular:
- withdrawal of areas of operational exercises at an agreed distance from the Russia-NATO contact line;
- coordination of the maximum distance of approach of warships and aircraft to prevent dangerous military activities, primarily in the Baltic and Black Sea regions;
- resumption of a regular dialogue between the defense ministries along the Russia-US and Russia-NATO lines.
We call on Washington to join the unilateral Russian moratorium on the deployment of ground-based INF in Europe, agree and introduce the necessary measures to verify the fulfillment of mutual obligations.
In these areas, Russia will soon submit draft international legal documents to start negotiations in the appropriate formats.
In particular, we will make a comprehensive proposal on legal security guarantees in preparation for the next round of the Russian-American dialogue on strategic stability. We will stand for a substantive discussion of the military aspects of ensuring security through the defense ministries with the participation of the foreign ministries of Russia and the NATO countries.
We consider it necessary that the OSCE, where all the countries of the Euro-Atlantic region are represented, should not remain aloof from discussions on resolving European security problems.
We urge you to carefully consider the Russian proposals and begin serious negotiations to reach agreements that ensure a fair and stable balance of interests in our common space.
10/12/21 18 : 10
Statement by the Russian Foreign Ministry on dialogue with the United States and other Western countries regarding the development of security guarantees
2570-10-12-2021We note the expression expressed by the President of the United States J. Biden during the December 7 of this year. talks with President Vladimir Putin; readiness to establish a serious dialogue on issues related to ensuring the security of the Russian Federation. Such a dialogue is urgently needed today, when relations between Russia and the collective West continue to deteriorate and have come to a critical point. At the same time, in recent days, various free interpretations of our position have been multiplying. In this regard, we consider it necessary to once again clarify the following.
Whipping up confrontation with our country is absolutely unacceptable. As a pretext, the situation in Ukraine is used, in relation to which the West has taken a course towards encouraging Russophobia, shielding the actions of the Kiev regime to disrupt the Minsk agreements and preparing for a scenario of force in the Donbass.
Instead of curbing their Ukrainian protégés, NATO countries are pushing Kiev to take aggressive steps. There is no other way to interpret the more frequent unscheduled exercises of the United States and its allies in the Black Sea. Aircraft of NATO member states, including strategic bombers, regularly make provocative overflights and dangerous maneuvers near the borders of Russia. The military development of the territory of Ukraine continues, the pumping of the country with weapons.
A course has been taken to draw Ukraine into NATO, which is fraught with the appearance there of strike missile systems with a minimum flight time to Central Russia and other destabilizing weapons. Such irresponsible behavior creates unacceptable threats to our security, provokes serious military risks for all parties involved, up to a large-scale conflict in Europe.
At the same time, it is argued that the question of Ukraine's hypothetical NATO membership concerns exclusively Kiev and the alliance, and no one should interfere in this process. Let us recall, however, that in addition to the Washington Treaty, NATO countries also have commitments regarding the indivisibility of security in the Euro-Atlantic area, throughout the OSCE area. This principle was first declared in the Helsinki Final Act, and then reaffirmed and strengthened in the Charter of Paris for a New Europe in 1990, which states: "The security of everyone is inextricably linked to the security of everyone else." And in 1999, at the OSCE summit in Istanbul, the Charter for European Security was adopted, in which it was emphasized that the participating States "will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other states."
All of these documents were signed by the top leaders of the OSCE participating States, including all NATO countries. However, in violation of the principle of the indivisibility of security - as well as in violation of the promises made to the Soviet leadership - all these years NATO has consistently moved eastward, ignoring the concerns expressed by Moscow, and each time NATO replenishment added to this bloc a frenzied anti-Russian charge.
We have long drawn attention to the inadmissibility of such a development of events. Over the past decades, it has been suggested more than once to agree on making the principle of equal and indivisible security in the Euro-Atlantic space legally binding, since the West is clearly not in the mood to fulfill the above-mentioned political obligations. However, we were invariably refused.
In this regard, as President Vladimir Putin emphasizes, we insist on the development - in a specific period of time and on the basis of the principle of equal and indivisible security - serious long-term legal guarantees, excluding any further NATO advance to the east and the deployment of threatening weapons systems in the West. borders of Russia.
In the fundamental interests of European security, it is necessary to formally disavow the decision of the 2008 NATO Bucharest summit that "Ukraine and Georgia will become NATO members" as contrary to the commitment of the leaders of all OSCE participating States - "not to strengthen their security at the expense of the security of others."
We insist on the legal consolidation of the agreement on the non-deployment by the United States and other NATO countries of strike weapons systems that pose a threat to the Russian Federation on the territory of neighboring countries, both members and not members of the North Atlantic Alliance.
We also insist on receiving a concrete NATO response to our earlier proposals to reduce tensions in Europe, including, in particular:
- withdrawal of areas of operational exercises at an agreed distance from the Russia-NATO contact line;
- coordination of the maximum distance of approach of warships and aircraft to prevent dangerous military activities, primarily in the Baltic and Black Sea regions;
- resumption of a regular dialogue between the defense ministries along the Russia-US and Russia-NATO lines.
We call on Washington to join the unilateral Russian moratorium on the deployment of ground-based INF in Europe, agree and introduce the necessary measures to verify the fulfillment of mutual obligations.
In these areas, Russia will soon submit draft international legal documents to start negotiations in the appropriate formats.
In particular, we will make a comprehensive proposal on legal security guarantees in preparation for the next round of the Russian-American dialogue on strategic stability. We will stand for a substantive discussion of the military aspects of ensuring security through the defense ministries with the participation of the foreign ministries of Russia and the NATO countries.
We consider it necessary that the OSCE, where all the countries of the Euro-Atlantic region are represented, should not remain aloof from discussions on resolving European security problems.
We urge you to carefully consider the Russian proposals and begin serious negotiations to reach agreements that ensure a fair and stable balance of interests in our common space.
rty19
Greatest Leader
Annetaan ajan kulua niin nähdään mitä mikäkin maa käytännössä tekee. Suunnitelmat varmasti muuttuu vielä moneen kertaan.
Lapinukko
Respected Leader
Putin saattaa vielä tehdä virheen joka johtaa jonkinlaiseen Venäjän hajoamiseen.
Laita jotain linkkiä väiteellesi, ihan syystä jottet tule leimatuksi paskanpuhujaksi.
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Joe Biden Should Consider Nuclear Strike on Russia Over Ukraine—GOP Senator
Republican Senator Roger Wicker believes America must consider all options, including nuclear attack.
www.newsweek.com
Näillä pakotteilla Biden saattaa uhata Putinia – jopa ”äärimmäinen vaihtoehto” pöydällä
Yhdysvallat on mediatietojen mukaan valmistellut tukun kovia vastatoimia Venäjälle Ukrainan takia.
www.is.fi
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Joe Biden Should Consider Nuclear Strike on Russia Over Ukraine—GOP Senator
Republican Senator Roger Wicker believes America must consider all options, including nuclear attack.Näillä pakotteilla Biden saattaa uhata Putinia – jopa ”äärimmäinen vaihtoehto” pöydällä
Yhdysvallat on mediatietojen mukaan valmistellut tukun kovia vastatoimia Venäjälle Ukrainan takia.
Ensimmäinen jutun hörhösenaattorin höpötykset on jo käsitelty täällä.
Toisessa ei puhuta mitään merijalkaväestä.
Monella täällä tuntuu jostain syystä olevan vankka usko, että jenkit tulee ja pistää Putinin kuriin vaikka väkipakolla.
Ikävä kyllä mikään näytä viittaavaan siihen, että Biden olisi valmis muihin kuin diplomaattisiin toimiin Ukrainan tilanteessa.
Ehkä tilanne muuttuu, mutta tällä hetkellä ei näytä hyvältä.
Ikävä kyllä mikään näytä viittaavaan siihen, että Biden olisi valmis muihin kuin diplomaattisiin toimiin Ukrainan tilanteessa.
Ehkä tilanne muuttuu, mutta tällä hetkellä ei näytä hyvältä.
Lepukki
Eversti
Onhan se sinällää kuitenkin aika surkeaa, että Ukraina joutuu kääntymään Atlantin toiselle puolelle asti anomaan sotilaallista tukea. Miksi se ei automaattisesti tule Euroopan sisältä Saksasta, Puolasta, Ranskasta tai vaikka Italiasta?
Jotain tukeahan Ranskalaiset puhuivat antavansa. Samoin kanukit ja britit. Mikä on todellisuus, osaako joku listata millaista tukea ulkomailta nyt annettu?
rty19
Greatest Leader
Kun väkeä tuli Valko-Venäjältä rajan yli Puolaan paljonko EU-maat auttoivat? ex-Varsovan liiton maita lukuunottamatta vain UK teki jotain. Siinä on todellisuus EU:n solidaarisuudesta.
Ja Ukraina ei ole edes EU:ssa.
Viimeksi muokattu:
rty19
Greatest Leader
Naton pääsihteeri torjuu Venäjän vaatimuksen estää Ukrainalta pääsy sotilasliittoon
Naton pääsihteeri Jens Stoltenberg sanoo, että Nato ei voi hyväksyä Venäjän tapaa yrittää luoda vaikutuspiiriä, jossa Venäjä voi hallita tai määräillä toisten valtioiden päätöksiä.
yle.fi
ILoveEU
Kenraali
Se 'hörhösenaattori', Roger Wicker on ollut jo pitkään sellaisessa kongressin hörhöpuuhassa kuin:
United States Senate Committee on Armed Services
The Committee on Armed Services (sometimes abbreviated SASC for Senate Armed Services Committee) is a committee of the United States Senate empowered with legislative oversight of the nation's military, including the Department of Defense, military research and development, nuclear energy (as pertaining to national security), benefits for members of the military, the Selective Service System and other matters related to defense policy.
Considered one of the most powerful Senate committees.
Voi toki olla, että viesti oli tarkoitettu sisäpolitiikkaan, mutta mistäpä näistä tietää vaikka olisi tarkoitettu myös ulkopolitiikkaan.
StepanRudanskij
Respected Leader
Ei se kauniilta tule näyttämään siellä toisellakaan puolella. Ihan riittävän tappavaa tavaraa tulee syliin.