sirppimestari
Kersantti
Vähän erinäköistä kalustoa :
Öljyt taisi keittää tankista.
Öljyt taisi keittää tankista.
Ukrainan konflikti/sota
Yhdeksän EU-maata vastustaa taloudellisia lisäpakotteita Venäjälle tietää ITAR-TASS/rusnovosti
Nine EU countries block U.S. economic sanctions against Russia
http://rusnovosti.ru/news/328797/
Nine EU countries are ready to block economic sanctions against Russia at the summit on July 16, ITAR-TASS diplomatic source at the Permanent Representation to the EU, one of the Western European countries. According to him, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus and Slovenia Italy did not see today's reasons for imposing trade and economic sanctions against Russia. diplomat added that there are other countries that do not support the restrictive measures in respect of the U.S. Russia. Decision on trade and economic sanctions against the nature of the Russian Federation at the summit can only be taken unanimously by all 28 EU countries, the diplomat said. Thus, any EU country has a veto in this matter. PCH
Nine EU countries block U.S. economic sanctions against Russia
http://rusnovosti.ru/news/328797/
Nine EU countries are ready to block economic sanctions against Russia at the summit on July 16, ITAR-TASS diplomatic source at the Permanent Representation to the EU, one of the Western European countries. According to him, France, Germany, Luxembourg, Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Cyprus and Slovenia Italy did not see today's reasons for imposing trade and economic sanctions against Russia. diplomat added that there are other countries that do not support the restrictive measures in respect of the U.S. Russia. Decision on trade and economic sanctions against the nature of the Russian Federation at the summit can only be taken unanimously by all 28 EU countries, the diplomat said. Thus, any EU country has a veto in this matter. PCH
sirppimestari
Kersantti
UA armeija perääntyy Luhansista :
http://innosreport.blogspot.fi/2014/07/ukrainian-army-leaves-positions-near.html?spref=tw
Lisää tankkeja venäjältä:
http://zik.ua/en/news/2014/07/15/34...m_luhansk_to_donetsk_eyewitness_report_506051
http://innosreport.blogspot.fi/2014/07/ukrainian-army-leaves-positions-near.html?spref=tw
Lisää tankkeja venäjältä:
http://zik.ua/en/news/2014/07/15/34...m_luhansk_to_donetsk_eyewitness_report_506051
Itärintamalta ei siis mitään uutta!
Itä-Ukrainassa neljä kuollut ilmaiskussa lähellä Venäjän rajaa
Ulkomaat | Turun Sanomat 18:59 | 0
Itä-Ukrainassa ainakin neljä ihmistä kuoli ilmaiskussa tiistai-aamulla separatistien alueella lähellä Venäjän rajaa. Separatistit syyttivät iskusta Ukrainan armeijan joukkoja. Ukrainan sotilasjohto ja ulkoministeriö kiistivät separatistien syytökset ja vihjasivat, että Venäjällä saattaa olla osuutta asiaan.
Ukrainan hallitus uskoo, että maanantaina Venäjän puolelta ammuttiin raketti, joka pudotti Ukrainan armeijan kuljetuskoneen.
Hallitus ehdotti tiistaina separatisteille videoneuvotteluja väkivaltaisuuksien lopettamiseksi. Hallituksen joukot ovat ottaneet viime päivinä yhteen separatistien kanssa muun muassa Luhanskissa.
Yhdysvallat sanoo, että Venäjä ei ole lopettanut Ukrainan separatistien aseistamista. Yhdysvaltojen mukaan Venäjä on antanut separatisteille sotatarvikkeita eikä ole mitään todisteita siitä, että aseistaminen olisi loppunut.
TS–STT
Huey. Ainakin lähempi on tulitukiversio. Ei siis voi olla siviilistä pikaisesti hankittua tai pakkolunastettua kalustoa. Ulkomaista kalustoapua tai ulkomaisia joukkoja, mutta mistä maasta?
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Kuukkelikäännöksen sijaan useimpien englanti varmaan taipuu sen verran että tuo alkuperäinen artikkeli on selvempi sellaisenaan. Hyvin kiinnostava.
Ei ainakaan voi syyttää värvääjiä mistään sugar coatingista:
-ei palkkaa
-kuolema varma
-ryöstelystä rangaistaan kuolemalla
-ruumiit sentään palautetaan kotimaahan, jos sattuvat löytymään.
-Haastattelun luotettavuutta voi tietysti aina vähän kyseenalaistaa (lähde on Radio Free Europe, jenkkien vanha propagandaradio) mutta Gasparjanin kerronta tuntuu pääosin uskottavalta. Hän sanoo omaavansa aikaisempaa sotakokemusta mutta vähättelee sitä, wannaberambojen sotajutuilla leventelyä ei pahemmin esiinny.
-Lentokenttäsotku tuntuu käsittämättömältä. Kentälle lähdettiin odotuksissa ettei taistelua syty (!) ja ilmatorjunta-aseet jätettiin pois (!!). -Toisaalta voi olla että sodan alkupuolella aseista helposti riisutut ukrainalaisyksiköt saivat separatistit liiankin voitonvarmoiksi. Gasparjan antaa kuvan että ennen taistelua käytiin jonkunlaisia neuvotteluja SBUn agenttien kanssa. Komentajat arvelivat etteivät ukrainalaiset raaskisi ampua upouutta terminaalia.
Taistelunkuvaus tuntuu normaalilta rivimiehen räpistelyltä sodan sumussa. Evakointiautoja ampuivatkin omat, paikallinen nostoväki joka luuli niiden olevan hyökkääviä ukrainalaisia ja siinä sotkussa kuoli yli 30 omaa. Tämän jälkeen Gasparjan kypsyi koko Donetskin kansantasavaltaan ja otti kavereiden kanssa ritolat. Sanoo melkein jääneensä kiinni, todella onni ettei jäänyt sillä kuri tuntuu olleen brutaali.
-Horlivkassa "Piru" (tiettävästi Igor Besler, entinen laskuvarjojägsteri) otti sitten karkurit hoiviinsa. Tästä ajasta Gasparjan antaa positiivisemman kuvan, päätti kuitenkin lähteä jonkun ajan päästä kuitenkin takaisin Venäjälle. Kiintoisaa kyllä, karkuruus ei näytä tuottaneen ongelmia paluussa koulutusleirille (tai ainakaan hän ei sellaisia mainitse).
-Gasparjanin mukaan Donetskissa separatisteista 80% on ulkomaalaisia ja 20% paikallisia: Horlivkassa noin 50-50. Gasparjan voi kuitenkin aliarvioida paikallisten määrän, sillä hän antaa kuvan että nämä porukat eivät aina olleet paljoa keskenään tekemisissä.
-Gasparjan pitää itseään neuvostokansalaisena (kiintoisaa koska hän on liian nuori muistamaan NL:ää). Haastattelun päämotiivi näyttää olevan katkeruus Hodakovskin et al huonoa johtamista kohtaan.
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Internet pitää fotarina, ja olen myös tätä mieltä.
Miksi joku haluaisi niin huijata?
Karvajalka
Luutnantti
Kaikkitietävän Wikipedian mukaan lähin maa jossa näitä on käytössä on Georgia.
Novaya gazetassa on Elena Kostyuchenkon kirjoittama juttu siitä kuinka omaiset ei noita ruumita tahdo oikein löytää Venäjällä, koska ne ovat "sotasalaisuuksia"
Battle for Donetsk airport: the story of one Russian fighter
http://en.novayagazeta.ru/investigations/64196.html
...
"But in tracking down the widow of one Russian man who died during the fighting at Donetsk airport, Elena Kostyuchenko sheds some light onto the murky structures organising the transfer of fighters to Ukraine. She also paints a moving portrait of loss and of the frustration of dealing with Russian officialdom apparently so keen to cover up all traces of those fighting across the border"
Ukrainassa uskotaan Ukrainan ja Venäjän välisen sotilaallisen yhteenoton lähenevän päivä päivältä.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/world/europe/ukraine-russia-tensions-rise-over-attacks.html
New York Times: As border tensions rise, Ukraine and Russia draw nearer to direct conflict
Print version
July 15, 2014, 7:40 p.m. | Ukraine abroad — by New York Times
Moscow, Kiev Trade Accusations of Cross-Border Attacks
Gleb Garanich / ReutersThe separatists, who have set up 'people's republics,' have been pushed back into the main eastern city of Donetsk, though they remain also in control of the border city of Luhansk.
The Defense Ministry accused Kiev on Tuesday of remaining "cynically" silent in the aftermath of deadly shelling along the Russia-Ukraine border, while Kiev appeared to blame Moscow for a deadly air strike on its own territory.
A cross-border shelling incident killed a man on the Russian side Sunday. Kiev promptly denied that its forces had attacked the border.
Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told reporters on Tuesday, "the Ukrainian side cynically rejects the obvious facts and is doing everything to deflect accusations of shelling on Russian territory."
Antonov argued that increased rhetoric from Kiev, including claims of a renewed buildup of Russian troops on the border, were part of an elaborate effort to evade responsibility.
Meanwhile, there were reports on Tuesday of an air strike killing four civilians in the small town of Snizhne, for which Kiev again denied responsibility, and appeared to point a finger at Russia.
"Today at 7 a.m. an unknown plane carried out a bombing attack on Snizhne. The flight can be described only as a cynical provocation," Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's National Defense and Security Council, told reporters.
His remarks appeared to be an accusation against Russia, since the rebels have not used aircraft in the conflict.
Fighting over the past four months between forces of the pro-Western Kiev government and separatists who want union with Moscow has intensified since last Friday, with Ukraine and Russia blaming each other for cross-border attacks and little prospect of a cease-fire.
More than 200 Ukrainian servicemen have been killed as well as hundreds of civilians and rebels since violence erupted in Ukraine's Russian-speaking east following a pro-Europe revolt in Kiev that ousted a Moscow-backed president in February and led to Russia's annexation of Crimea.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, pressing the European Union to take a harder line with Moscow possibly involving new tougher sanctions, said on Monday that Russian military officers were now fighting alongside separatists and heavy military equipment is pouring across the border from Russia.
Poroshenko, elected in late May, refused on June 30 to extend a 10-day unilateral cease-fire which he said had been breached repeatedly by the separatists. He renewed the government's military campaign to break rebel resistance.
The separatists, who have set up 'people's republics,' have been pushed back into the main eastern city of Donetsk, though they remain also in control of the border city of Luhansk.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, in a new peace effort, said a diplomatic contact group might talk to separatists by video conference on Tuesday and meet them in person soon afterwards.
He said all parties were making a "strong effort" for the group — which includes Russia, Ukraine and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe — to hold the video conference and agree a venue for a direct meeting with the rebels.
Moscow has invited foreign military attaches to visit the Russian town hit by fatal shelling on Sunday, an event for which it threatened "irreversible consequences." Ukraine denied that its armed forces were responsible for the incident.
(MT, Reuters)
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/16/world/europe/ukraine-russia-tensions-rise-over-attacks.html
New York Times: As border tensions rise, Ukraine and Russia draw nearer to direct conflict
Print version
July 15, 2014, 7:40 p.m. | Ukraine abroad — by New York Times
Moscow, Kiev Trade Accusations of Cross-Border Attacks
- Combined Reports
- Jul. 15 2014 20:34
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Gleb Garanich / ReutersThe separatists, who have set up 'people's republics,' have been pushed back into the main eastern city of Donetsk, though they remain also in control of the border city of Luhansk.
The Defense Ministry accused Kiev on Tuesday of remaining "cynically" silent in the aftermath of deadly shelling along the Russia-Ukraine border, while Kiev appeared to blame Moscow for a deadly air strike on its own territory.
A cross-border shelling incident killed a man on the Russian side Sunday. Kiev promptly denied that its forces had attacked the border.
Deputy Defense Minister Anatoly Antonov told reporters on Tuesday, "the Ukrainian side cynically rejects the obvious facts and is doing everything to deflect accusations of shelling on Russian territory."
Antonov argued that increased rhetoric from Kiev, including claims of a renewed buildup of Russian troops on the border, were part of an elaborate effort to evade responsibility.
Meanwhile, there were reports on Tuesday of an air strike killing four civilians in the small town of Snizhne, for which Kiev again denied responsibility, and appeared to point a finger at Russia.
"Today at 7 a.m. an unknown plane carried out a bombing attack on Snizhne. The flight can be described only as a cynical provocation," Andriy Lysenko, a spokesman for Ukraine's National Defense and Security Council, told reporters.
His remarks appeared to be an accusation against Russia, since the rebels have not used aircraft in the conflict.
Fighting over the past four months between forces of the pro-Western Kiev government and separatists who want union with Moscow has intensified since last Friday, with Ukraine and Russia blaming each other for cross-border attacks and little prospect of a cease-fire.
More than 200 Ukrainian servicemen have been killed as well as hundreds of civilians and rebels since violence erupted in Ukraine's Russian-speaking east following a pro-Europe revolt in Kiev that ousted a Moscow-backed president in February and led to Russia's annexation of Crimea.
Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko, pressing the European Union to take a harder line with Moscow possibly involving new tougher sanctions, said on Monday that Russian military officers were now fighting alongside separatists and heavy military equipment is pouring across the border from Russia.
Poroshenko, elected in late May, refused on June 30 to extend a 10-day unilateral cease-fire which he said had been breached repeatedly by the separatists. He renewed the government's military campaign to break rebel resistance.
The separatists, who have set up 'people's republics,' have been pushed back into the main eastern city of Donetsk, though they remain also in control of the border city of Luhansk.
German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier, in a new peace effort, said a diplomatic contact group might talk to separatists by video conference on Tuesday and meet them in person soon afterwards.
He said all parties were making a "strong effort" for the group — which includes Russia, Ukraine and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe — to hold the video conference and agree a venue for a direct meeting with the rebels.
Moscow has invited foreign military attaches to visit the Russian town hit by fatal shelling on Sunday, an event for which it threatened "irreversible consequences." Ukraine denied that its armed forces were responsible for the incident.
(MT, Reuters)
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Minuteman
Eversti
Allekirjoitan. Samaa meininkiä löytyy muistakin itä-eurooppalaisista, myös suomalaisista mutta toivo on tässäkin tapauksessa nuorisossa. Tuo klaaniutuminen on aron kansojen perinteinen selviytymisstrategia josta mielestäni vallan mainion kuvauksen antaa Esa Seppänen kirjassaan: Avaran sielun anarkia; Voiko venäläisyyttä ymmärtää?
Ja pitkälti koko aasian alue ja afrikka on myöskin täynnä klaaneja, heimoja tai ihan pelkästään perheitä.
fulcrum
Greatest Leader
Pikemminkin suku- ja klaanikeskeisyys on ihmiskunnan alkuperäisintä yhteisöllisyyttä, josta kansaan/ideologiaan/uskontoon perustuvat yhteisöt ovat poikkeuksia. Suomessakin mm. romanit ja saamelaiset ovat paljon sukukeskeisempiä kuin suomalainen valtaväestö.
Samalla kun Suomessa itketään mahdollisten pakotteiden vaikutusta EU-tukiimme, katsoo EU-komissaari Stefan Fuele, että jokaisen maan olikeus ja velvollisuus on puolustaa itsenäisyyttään ja alueellista koskemattomuuttaan. Miten on suomalaiset poliitikot?
Stefan Fuele about Ukraine: It is every country's right and obligation to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity
Print version
July 15, 2014, 9:20 p.m. | Ukraine abroad — by Kyiv Post
EU Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fuele.
© Eurocommission
Editor's note: Here is the full text of the speech given by European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighbourhood Policy Stefan Fuele at the European Parliament Plenary debate held in Strasbourg on July 15 2014, as published on the European Commission's official website of.
President, Honourable Members,
The crisis in Eastern Ukraine has not abated - each day we continue to receive alarming reports about casualties. The activities of illegal armed separatist groups remain a source of great concern. Militants still occupy buildings and border posts, keep dozens of people hostage and threaten the territorial integrity and independence of Ukraine and the security of its citizens. Innocent civilians, including women and children, are caught in crossfire. We must do all we can to protect and support them. Each killed civilian is one too many. The increase in the numbers of displaced people is also of concern. It underlines the importance of supporting the work of humanitarian organisations. It is essential to ensure protection and the provision of emergency assistance to all the Ukrainian civilian population in need, whoever and wherever they are.
There are worrying reports regarding the respect for human rights, not only in Eastern Ukraine, but also in Crimea, which remains illegally annexed by Russia and where the most dramatic changes in the situation of minorities and enjoyment of human rights have taken place. Earlier this month, the Leader of the elected Crimean Tatar assembly was refused entry to Crimea. This is a clear violation of international law and the European Convention of Human Rights. Allow me to stress – we have not forgotten about Crimea, it will always remain on the radar of our policy until international law is restored.
The Ukrainian military campaign in the Eastern Ukraine continues. It is every country's right and obligation to uphold law and order on its territory and to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity. In these extremely difficult circumstances we encourage the Ukrainian authorities to maintain a measured approach. This is not about fighting a popular movement in part of Eastern Ukraine at the time when the Ukrainian authorities offer discussions about decentralisation and other democratic changes. It is about fighting highly trained and equipped paramilitary forces that have hardly any regard for the needs of the local population. This is exactly the reason why we need to put the protection and well-being of local civilians at the heart of our policy.
Diplomatic efforts towards peace in Eastern Ukraine must continue. There is an urgent need to agree on a genuine and sustainable cease-fire by all parties to create the necessary conditions for the implementation of President Poroshenko's peace plan. President Putin supported the peace plan in principle; the Federation Council has revoked the authorisation to use military force on the Ukrainian soil. However, Russia has not stopped the flow of weapons, equipment and militants across the border; nor has it used its influence over illegally armed groups in the Eastern Ukraine to stop the violence and get them to lay down their arms. So it is now urgent that Russia takes concrete steps in this direction.
We welcome the diplomatic efforts launched in Normandy on 6 June by Ukraine, the Russian Federation, France and Germany and hope that this process, as well as the joint Berlin Declaration of 2 July, will contribute to de-escalation and a peaceful solution to the crisis. Diplomatic efforts will only be successful if all players show genuine commitment to the process. The European Union welcomes the trilateral efforts of Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE that would lead to de-escalation and a peaceful solution, including an agreement on cease-fire, release of all hostages, border security and effective monitoring of border crossings by the OSCE.
Unfortunately, we are not there yet, and tomorrow in Brussels, the Heads of State and Government will again assess the situation on the ground against the conditions put forward by the last European Council and, should it be required, adopt necessary decisions.
In parallel, the European Union supports Ukraine where it can. In March, the European Commission proposed a support package of over €11 billion for the next couple of years. The Commission has also decided to create a Support Group to ensure that the Ukrainian authorities have all the assistance they need to implement reforms.
Last week, a High Level Meeting with international donors was held in Brussels to discuss the key support priorities for Ukraine, focusing on reform agenda, but also including reconstruction and economic rehabilitation of the Eastern Ukraine. It is important that we all understand that for Ukraine, it is not “either or”. It faces two challenges and needs to address both at the same time: security challenges in the East and the reform process leading to so much needed modernisation of the country.
The European Union also actively supports the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission and stands ready to further assist the organisation in supporting a cease-fire and border monitoring. At the end of this month, we are also planning to launch a Common Security and Defence Policy-mission to assist Ukraine in the important areas of civilian security sector reform, police and the rule of law.
Honourable Members,
The 27th of June was a historic day for Ukraine and for the European Union. After years of negotiations and hard work, the remaining provisions of the Association Agreement with its Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area were signed. This achievement is a powerful symbol of the Ukrainian people's aspiration to getting closer to the European Union and of the European Union's commitment towards Ukraine. The Agreement will help to drive reforms and boost growth by offering Ukraine access to the world's largest market. We now look forward to swift ratification and subsequent provisional application so that Ukrainian citizens and businesses can benefit as soon as possible from the new opportunities that the Agreement opens.
Needless to stress in this House – again -, the agreement is not meant to replace - or intrude in – Ukraine's relations with any neighbour: Ukraine can perfectly well have free trade agreements with Russia and the European Union at the same time.
The European Union has engaged with Russia in order to dispel any possible misunderstandings in this regard. Last Friday, trilateral talks were held by Commissioner De Gucht with Ukraine and Russia at ministerial level on the effects on Russia's economy of the implementation of the AA/DCFTA. An agreement was reached to launch a consultation mechanism with focus on regulations and standards procedures arising from the implementation of the Agreement. The purpose is to reduce unnecessary tensions by filtering out misunderstandings and by focusing discussions on possible solutions for any remaining concrete issues. Experts will produce a preliminary report no later than September 1 and a new ministerial meeting will take place in September. Russia's threats to take unilateral "preventive" safeguard measures are unacceptable and legally unfounded. We now hope that Russia will refrain from taking any such unprovoked restrictive measures.
Finally, let me reiterate that the Association Agreement does not constitute the final goal of European Union-Ukraine cooperation. On the contrary, it provides new opportunities and is an important step in the European Union's commitment to support Ukraine along the road of transforming its country into a stable and prosperous European democracy.
Thank you for your attention.
Stefan Fuele about Ukraine: It is every country's right and obligation to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity
Print version
July 15, 2014, 9:20 p.m. | Ukraine abroad — by Kyiv Post
EU Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighborhood Policy Stefan Fuele.
© Eurocommission
Editor's note: Here is the full text of the speech given by European Commissioner for Enlargement and Neighbourhood Policy Stefan Fuele at the European Parliament Plenary debate held in Strasbourg on July 15 2014, as published on the European Commission's official website of.
President, Honourable Members,
The crisis in Eastern Ukraine has not abated - each day we continue to receive alarming reports about casualties. The activities of illegal armed separatist groups remain a source of great concern. Militants still occupy buildings and border posts, keep dozens of people hostage and threaten the territorial integrity and independence of Ukraine and the security of its citizens. Innocent civilians, including women and children, are caught in crossfire. We must do all we can to protect and support them. Each killed civilian is one too many. The increase in the numbers of displaced people is also of concern. It underlines the importance of supporting the work of humanitarian organisations. It is essential to ensure protection and the provision of emergency assistance to all the Ukrainian civilian population in need, whoever and wherever they are.
There are worrying reports regarding the respect for human rights, not only in Eastern Ukraine, but also in Crimea, which remains illegally annexed by Russia and where the most dramatic changes in the situation of minorities and enjoyment of human rights have taken place. Earlier this month, the Leader of the elected Crimean Tatar assembly was refused entry to Crimea. This is a clear violation of international law and the European Convention of Human Rights. Allow me to stress – we have not forgotten about Crimea, it will always remain on the radar of our policy until international law is restored.
The Ukrainian military campaign in the Eastern Ukraine continues. It is every country's right and obligation to uphold law and order on its territory and to defend its sovereignty and territorial integrity. In these extremely difficult circumstances we encourage the Ukrainian authorities to maintain a measured approach. This is not about fighting a popular movement in part of Eastern Ukraine at the time when the Ukrainian authorities offer discussions about decentralisation and other democratic changes. It is about fighting highly trained and equipped paramilitary forces that have hardly any regard for the needs of the local population. This is exactly the reason why we need to put the protection and well-being of local civilians at the heart of our policy.
Diplomatic efforts towards peace in Eastern Ukraine must continue. There is an urgent need to agree on a genuine and sustainable cease-fire by all parties to create the necessary conditions for the implementation of President Poroshenko's peace plan. President Putin supported the peace plan in principle; the Federation Council has revoked the authorisation to use military force on the Ukrainian soil. However, Russia has not stopped the flow of weapons, equipment and militants across the border; nor has it used its influence over illegally armed groups in the Eastern Ukraine to stop the violence and get them to lay down their arms. So it is now urgent that Russia takes concrete steps in this direction.
We welcome the diplomatic efforts launched in Normandy on 6 June by Ukraine, the Russian Federation, France and Germany and hope that this process, as well as the joint Berlin Declaration of 2 July, will contribute to de-escalation and a peaceful solution to the crisis. Diplomatic efforts will only be successful if all players show genuine commitment to the process. The European Union welcomes the trilateral efforts of Ukraine, Russia and the OSCE that would lead to de-escalation and a peaceful solution, including an agreement on cease-fire, release of all hostages, border security and effective monitoring of border crossings by the OSCE.
Unfortunately, we are not there yet, and tomorrow in Brussels, the Heads of State and Government will again assess the situation on the ground against the conditions put forward by the last European Council and, should it be required, adopt necessary decisions.
In parallel, the European Union supports Ukraine where it can. In March, the European Commission proposed a support package of over €11 billion for the next couple of years. The Commission has also decided to create a Support Group to ensure that the Ukrainian authorities have all the assistance they need to implement reforms.
Last week, a High Level Meeting with international donors was held in Brussels to discuss the key support priorities for Ukraine, focusing on reform agenda, but also including reconstruction and economic rehabilitation of the Eastern Ukraine. It is important that we all understand that for Ukraine, it is not “either or”. It faces two challenges and needs to address both at the same time: security challenges in the East and the reform process leading to so much needed modernisation of the country.
The European Union also actively supports the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission and stands ready to further assist the organisation in supporting a cease-fire and border monitoring. At the end of this month, we are also planning to launch a Common Security and Defence Policy-mission to assist Ukraine in the important areas of civilian security sector reform, police and the rule of law.
Honourable Members,
The 27th of June was a historic day for Ukraine and for the European Union. After years of negotiations and hard work, the remaining provisions of the Association Agreement with its Deep and Comprehensive Free Trade Area were signed. This achievement is a powerful symbol of the Ukrainian people's aspiration to getting closer to the European Union and of the European Union's commitment towards Ukraine. The Agreement will help to drive reforms and boost growth by offering Ukraine access to the world's largest market. We now look forward to swift ratification and subsequent provisional application so that Ukrainian citizens and businesses can benefit as soon as possible from the new opportunities that the Agreement opens.
Needless to stress in this House – again -, the agreement is not meant to replace - or intrude in – Ukraine's relations with any neighbour: Ukraine can perfectly well have free trade agreements with Russia and the European Union at the same time.
The European Union has engaged with Russia in order to dispel any possible misunderstandings in this regard. Last Friday, trilateral talks were held by Commissioner De Gucht with Ukraine and Russia at ministerial level on the effects on Russia's economy of the implementation of the AA/DCFTA. An agreement was reached to launch a consultation mechanism with focus on regulations and standards procedures arising from the implementation of the Agreement. The purpose is to reduce unnecessary tensions by filtering out misunderstandings and by focusing discussions on possible solutions for any remaining concrete issues. Experts will produce a preliminary report no later than September 1 and a new ministerial meeting will take place in September. Russia's threats to take unilateral "preventive" safeguard measures are unacceptable and legally unfounded. We now hope that Russia will refrain from taking any such unprovoked restrictive measures.
Finally, let me reiterate that the Association Agreement does not constitute the final goal of European Union-Ukraine cooperation. On the contrary, it provides new opportunities and is an important step in the European Union's commitment to support Ukraine along the road of transforming its country into a stable and prosperous European democracy.
Thank you for your attention.
Vonka
Supreme Leader
Niin, olisi talvella 1939-1940 monien maiden pitänyt jättää tuki Suomelle antamatta... Piruako se kenellekään kuuluu, jos Stalin hyökkää johonkin entiseen alusmaahan. Eikös se melkein olekin Venäjää? Niissä lenini papereissa on epäselvyyksiä. Ampuivatkin Venäjän puolelle. Fasisteja. Suotta kiristää tilannetta entisestään. Puhumallahan ne asiat hoituvat, neuvottelemalla sitten. Tärkeintä, ettei riskeerata mitään. Ollaan hiljaa, niin tyytyy Stalin. Ollaan hiljaa, niin ehkä Hitler jättää rauhaan. Suomalaiset ovat umpimielisiä ja mentaliteetiltaan ties mitä mongoleja. Paljas perse vilkkuu rikkinäisistä housuista. Mitä noista.
Kuka tuntee edes yhden suomalsien? Jotain laiskoja poronpurijoita, kiljuvat viinaa ja pervoilevat saunassa. Ketä kiinnostaa?
Hulluja nuo norjalaiset. Antoivat Suomelle 725 miestä, 12 kenttätykkiä ja kivääreitä. Ja ei missään tapauksessa olisi saanut antaa Iso-Britanniasta hankittujen koneiden tehdä välilaskua Stavangerissa. Poliittisesti uhkarohkeaa vastuutonta seikkailua. Samaten se Brewstereiden purkaminen norjalaisissa satamissa. Tuollaisessa maailmantilanteessa. Ei järjen hiventä.
Malttia olisi pitänyt edes vähän olla.
Ja Ruotsi. 8260 miestä ja 12 lentokonetta, pst-tykkejä. Menivät vielä keväällä ottamaan rintamavastuun Pohjois-Suomessa. Ja kokosivat Brewsterit Trollhattanissa. Miksi ihmeessä? Eiväthän suomalsietkaan halua auttaa ketään kuitenkaan missään sitten, kun on heillä jo jääkaappi ja siinä valo.
Tanskalaisia tuli tuhat. Neljä lentäjää sai surmansa taistelussa. Olisivat pysyneet kotona. Jos he pystyisivät katsomaan suomalasen Maanpuolustus.netin konsensusta, tulisivatko toisiiin ajatuksiin? No eivät, koska he olivat miehiä. Mutta nykysuomalsiet ovat kuin hemmoteltuja homoja. Sormet perseessä tai näppäimillä kuin nörteillä.
Virolaiset vasta kaheleita olivat. Maa oli mennyt viisaasti Stalinin nieluun, kuten luonnon laki oli, mutta heidän armeijansa sitkoili salaa, radiotiedustelunsa sai divisioonatason tietoa Puna-Armeija operaatioista ja eivätkös nämä laittaneet sen Suomeen merikaapeleita pitkin. Järjetöntä ja vastuutonta, kuten sekin, että menivät vielä jatkosotaan isolla porukalla. Miksi? Eihän Suomi uskaltanut edes tunnustaa Viroa 50-vuotta myöhemmin ennen kuin Venäjä, jossa kasvaa muitakin kuin arrogantteja kurapöksyjä.
Iso-Britannia, Ranska, Etelä-Afrikka... mikä into oli luopua Gloster Gladiatoreista ja Gauntleteista? Eikö niitä olisi kohta tarvittu itse? Blenheimit, Hurricanet, Morane-Saulnierit, tykkejä ja heittimiä ammuksineen, viestintävälineitä, vaatteita, telttoja ja kenttäkeittiöitä. Voi, olisipa tiedetty millainen kyyrykansa heistä tuleekaan vielä 2000-luvulle.
Italia, Belgia, Unkari, Sveitsi. Mikä ihme heitä riivasi?
Jospa saisi kellot taaksepäin ja ottaisi ihan alusta. Ja eiköhän tuo pian järjesty. Oikeat miehet tulevat muualta.
Hellyyttä pojille.
Kuka tuntee edes yhden suomalsien? Jotain laiskoja poronpurijoita, kiljuvat viinaa ja pervoilevat saunassa. Ketä kiinnostaa?
Hulluja nuo norjalaiset. Antoivat Suomelle 725 miestä, 12 kenttätykkiä ja kivääreitä. Ja ei missään tapauksessa olisi saanut antaa Iso-Britanniasta hankittujen koneiden tehdä välilaskua Stavangerissa. Poliittisesti uhkarohkeaa vastuutonta seikkailua. Samaten se Brewstereiden purkaminen norjalaisissa satamissa. Tuollaisessa maailmantilanteessa. Ei järjen hiventä.
Malttia olisi pitänyt edes vähän olla.
Ja Ruotsi. 8260 miestä ja 12 lentokonetta, pst-tykkejä. Menivät vielä keväällä ottamaan rintamavastuun Pohjois-Suomessa. Ja kokosivat Brewsterit Trollhattanissa. Miksi ihmeessä? Eiväthän suomalsietkaan halua auttaa ketään kuitenkaan missään sitten, kun on heillä jo jääkaappi ja siinä valo.
Tanskalaisia tuli tuhat. Neljä lentäjää sai surmansa taistelussa. Olisivat pysyneet kotona. Jos he pystyisivät katsomaan suomalasen Maanpuolustus.netin konsensusta, tulisivatko toisiiin ajatuksiin? No eivät, koska he olivat miehiä. Mutta nykysuomalsiet ovat kuin hemmoteltuja homoja. Sormet perseessä tai näppäimillä kuin nörteillä.
Virolaiset vasta kaheleita olivat. Maa oli mennyt viisaasti Stalinin nieluun, kuten luonnon laki oli, mutta heidän armeijansa sitkoili salaa, radiotiedustelunsa sai divisioonatason tietoa Puna-Armeija operaatioista ja eivätkös nämä laittaneet sen Suomeen merikaapeleita pitkin. Järjetöntä ja vastuutonta, kuten sekin, että menivät vielä jatkosotaan isolla porukalla. Miksi? Eihän Suomi uskaltanut edes tunnustaa Viroa 50-vuotta myöhemmin ennen kuin Venäjä, jossa kasvaa muitakin kuin arrogantteja kurapöksyjä.
Iso-Britannia, Ranska, Etelä-Afrikka... mikä into oli luopua Gloster Gladiatoreista ja Gauntleteista? Eikö niitä olisi kohta tarvittu itse? Blenheimit, Hurricanet, Morane-Saulnierit, tykkejä ja heittimiä ammuksineen, viestintävälineitä, vaatteita, telttoja ja kenttäkeittiöitä. Voi, olisipa tiedetty millainen kyyrykansa heistä tuleekaan vielä 2000-luvulle.
Italia, Belgia, Unkari, Sveitsi. Mikä ihme heitä riivasi?
Jospa saisi kellot taaksepäin ja ottaisi ihan alusta. Ja eiköhän tuo pian järjesty. Oikeat miehet tulevat muualta.
Hellyyttä pojille.
Uusimpien "viserrysten" mukaan Venäjän rajalta virtaa jatkuvasti raskaampaa kalustoa (tykistöä, BMP:itä, SA-13:ta jne...) Ukrainan hallintoa vastustaville voimille. Puhutaan myös Ukrainan ilmavoimien (tai joka tapauksessa jonkin Ukrainan nykyhallintoa tukevan tahon) tekemistä ilmaiskuista näitä saattueita vastaan...
Vaikuttaa vahvasti siltä, että konflikti on lähipäivinä kiristymässä Ukrainan ja Venäjän välisen avoimen sodan asteelle...
Vaikuttaa vahvasti siltä, että konflikti on lähipäivinä kiristymässä Ukrainan ja Venäjän välisen avoimen sodan asteelle...
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Totta, löytyy myös paljon twiittejä joissa arvostellaan UAAIF tekemättömyydestä.
Mutta on tuotu myös sellaista kalustoa jota ei ole aiemmin nähty kuten toiSA-13 ja T80 panssari.
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Ilmeisesti photoshopattu.