Ukrainan konflikti/sota
aj77
Greatest Leader
Mitä kalustoa? Oliko T-90?
Eihän tuo Ukrainan puolelta kuitenkaan ollut. Vai oliko?
sherlokki
Kapteeni
sirppimestari
Kersantti
Lähikuvaa lentoaseman rakennuksesta Donetksista. Mielenkiintoista olisi tietää minkälaista palkkaa nämä toimittajat tienaavat näistä klipeistä. Ilmeisesti kentän valtaus ei ole enään kaukana.
Mikoyan
Ylipäällikkö
Mielnkiintoista olisi tietää mitä toimittajat yleensä tietävät itse tilanteesta, jota kuvaavat ja minkäverran se on lavastettu nimenomaan toimittajia varten dis-informaation levittämiseksi.
sherlokki
Kapteeni
Kuvassa T-64BM2, ukrainalainen T-84:n tasolle paranneltu versio.
T-84
http://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/army/p40751-t-64bm2.html
Myrskyhiiri
Respected Leader
Niin ja Ukrainakin tuki Suomea 1939-1940 lähettämällä ei-motivoituneita joukkoja divisioonan verran Raatteen tielle, jonne sopuisasti kuolivat pakkaseen. Olivat muuten hienon muistomerkin laittaneet ukrainalaiset pojilleen jälkeenpäin - käytiin juuri viime vkloppuna katsastamassa tuo Raatteen portti. Niin se vain kääntyy kansojen kohtalot ja suunnat historian vongerruksessa.
P.S. edit: Selvennetään nyt vielä että on se minunkin mielestäni jo iljettävää että EU ei toimita/myy Ukrainalle sotatarvikkeita tai "dual-purpose"-vehkeitä, mutta samaan aikaan Ranska jatkaa Mistral-kauppojaan, koska eihän virallisesti Venäjä missä sodassa ole.
Viimeksi muokattu:
Mikoyan
Ylipäällikkö
Eihän sen tarvitse olla Ukrainan puolelta, vaikkei olisikaan T90-kalustoa. Kyllä venäjällä löytyy riittävän modernia ja vanhempaakin kalustoa, eikä se sitä kaikkein uusinta antaisikaan.
Myrskyhiiri
Respected Leader
Ukrainian Volunteer Defense Force "Donbas"
14. heinäkuuta · Muokattu
Defense Force “Donbas” suffered another loss.
On the 13th of July “Donbas” bade farewell to the brother-in-arms Dmitro Kuzmin (call-sign “Mirotvorets” (Peace-builder). He died in action, as a real man, as a soldier.
Unfortunately, for the sake of making it possible for everybody to live in Ukraine, some have to die.
But it is better to die standing than live kneeling.
He was a courageous fighter, responsible citizen, good friend, easygoing and wonderful person with kind clear eyes.
Dmitro was a professional photographer who put aside his job but not his vocation and up to the last day chronicled the life of Defense Force “Donbas”. Now, during the last several days the guys were looking over these photos, which Mirotvorets left as a reminder about him.
It hurts a lot, he was a real friend to all the fighters.
We commiserate with the family of the fallen hero and share their grieve about the loss. Dmitro’s children have every right to be proud of their father. Their father followed the call of his heart and went to war because he just could not stay aside while his county is burning with the fire of war for months. The reason of our fight is their better tomorrow and peaceful future of the thousands of children.
This photo is the last one of him. He smiles on the picture, we hope it is a sign that everything will end well.
Rest in peace. Eternal Glory. Heroes never die.
14. heinäkuuta · Muokattu
Defense Force “Donbas” suffered another loss.
On the 13th of July “Donbas” bade farewell to the brother-in-arms Dmitro Kuzmin (call-sign “Mirotvorets” (Peace-builder). He died in action, as a real man, as a soldier.
Unfortunately, for the sake of making it possible for everybody to live in Ukraine, some have to die.
But it is better to die standing than live kneeling.
He was a courageous fighter, responsible citizen, good friend, easygoing and wonderful person with kind clear eyes.
Dmitro was a professional photographer who put aside his job but not his vocation and up to the last day chronicled the life of Defense Force “Donbas”. Now, during the last several days the guys were looking over these photos, which Mirotvorets left as a reminder about him.
It hurts a lot, he was a real friend to all the fighters.
We commiserate with the family of the fallen hero and share their grieve about the loss. Dmitro’s children have every right to be proud of their father. Their father followed the call of his heart and went to war because he just could not stay aside while his county is burning with the fire of war for months. The reason of our fight is their better tomorrow and peaceful future of the thousands of children.
This photo is the last one of him. He smiles on the picture, we hope it is a sign that everything will end well.
Rest in peace. Eternal Glory. Heroes never die.
Myrskyhiiri
Respected Leader
Tästä ukrainalaisten kansanluonteesta:
Ukrainian Volunteer Defense Force "Donbas"
14. heinäkuuta · Muokattu
On Sunday, 13.07.2014 the last units of Defense Force “Donbas” were finally allowed to move out of Kiev. 90 percent of EVERYTHING: ammunition, food, aiming sights, vehicles, fuel, were either collected and presented by the people of Ukraine or purchased on the donated money. The last gift is an armoured reconnaissance and patrol vehicle. A Ukrainian patriot happened to have it in his garage. He fueled it and presented to DFD. We oblige to return it after the Victory, if it remains intact. The only thing is that we begin to realize more and more clearly that just hoisting Ukrainian flags everywhere is not enough; the country itself must change before we can claim it to be real victory…..
Ukrainian Volunteer Defense Force "Donbas"
14. heinäkuuta · Muokattu
On Sunday, 13.07.2014 the last units of Defense Force “Donbas” were finally allowed to move out of Kiev. 90 percent of EVERYTHING: ammunition, food, aiming sights, vehicles, fuel, were either collected and presented by the people of Ukraine or purchased on the donated money. The last gift is an armoured reconnaissance and patrol vehicle. A Ukrainian patriot happened to have it in his garage. He fueled it and presented to DFD. We oblige to return it after the Victory, if it remains intact. The only thing is that we begin to realize more and more clearly that just hoisting Ukrainian flags everywhere is not enough; the country itself must change before we can claim it to be real victory…..
sherlokki
Kapteeni
Mutta jos haluaa peitellä toimintaansa, niin kysymys kuuluu että kenen varastoista videolla esiintyneet vaunut mahdollisesti ovat. Tunnistatko nämä?
Edit: Tuli laitettua väärä url
Viimeksi muokattu:
Timchukin yhteenveto eilisestä päivästä:
https://translate.googleusercontent...949848&usg=ALkJrhhRQjhNCdx2AutCjialaehhlgZDyg
Brothers and sisters!
Here’s the Summary for July 15, 2014.
The bad news:
1. The successes of the ATO forces, which we cheered until just after the end of the “ceasefire,” have changed into “trench warfare.”
The main reason is that by saving its terrorists in Donbas from total defeat, Moscow resorts to every conceivable and inconceivable international crime. This includes the deployment of heavy weaponry to Ukraine (now increasingly so, alongside their military personnel and combat crews), and the direct fire support of insurgents from the territory of the Russian Federation–at the positions of our border control guards and Armed Forces.
I don’t know why we are so stubbornly ashamed to call a spade a spade and officially state that there is a war by Russia against Ukraine. Otherwise, it comes to the point of absurdity.
Here today, for example, the RNBO [National Security and Defense Council] came up with a puzzle. The town of Snizhne in Donetsk Oblast [region] was hit with an airstrike. Our aviation did not even rise into the air [today]. Experts at the ATO headquarters argue that terrorists have no a priori aviation at their disposal. [So] here’s the question: who could have inflicted this blow? The RNBO coined the term, an “unknown aircraft.” So whose plane can this be, if not the ATO forces’ or the insurgents’, how many options are left? Meanwhile, 11 civilians were killed …
Until we call black, black, and the war a war, the theater of the absurd will continue.
2. From the same series…dances continue around France’s delivery of the “Mistral” helicopter carriers to Putin. The position of Paris: since things between Ukraine and Russia are all well, Madame la Marquise, why should we give up the contract?
The bottom line is that the West cannot supply weapons to Ukraine because it is prohibited [from doing so] by exporter codes of conduct–as in, this is a zone of conflict, [and] weapons cannot be sold here. And Russia, which started and is waging this war, from the point of view of international law has not the slightest relationship to the conflict!
If we can force the international community to recognize that Russia is waging a war against Ukraine–the question of a ban on deliveries of military and dual-purpose goods by civilized nations to Russia will be solved by itself. The one who sells even a cartridge case to Putin [will be considered a] criminal.
3. In Russian cities, local authorities are openly holding send-off ceremonies for “volunteers,” as well as those openly recruited by the military commissariats, for good money, to the war in Ukraine. Today, such a ceremony was held in Samara.
I very much hope that every one of the mercenaries, whom the Russian freaks applauded today in Samara, returns home–to the last. In beautiful zinc containers. Although not quite whole.
The good news:
1. Today, the [Ukrainian] Foreign Ministry announced: the Ukrainian side hopes that the Council of Europe will decide tomorrow to introduce the next round of sanctions against Russia.
Honestly, there isn’t much hope for it. But our diplomatic sources indicate that just within last week, the rhetoric of many European diplomats changed in favor of Ukraine. Hopefully tomorrow we will still be able to tell Europe “thank you” from the bottom of our hearts.
2. Four crew members of the AN-26 that had been downed yesterday, were rescued by ATO forces. Let’s keep our fingers crossed that the other guys will be alright as well, including those who had been captured.
Today, Russian media showed a video of the interrogation of one of our guys. “I took an oath and do what my conscience will let me live with thereafter,” he said.
I don’t even know why the slow-witted Russian propagandists even began showing this video. They wanted to show that “servicemen of the Ukrainian army underwent brainwashing by Kyiv’s propaganda.” And showed a hero and a patriot who remained faithful to the oath. Ukraine, may you be the envy of the whole planet–for such sons as yours.
3. German Chancellor Angela Merkel began to argue that she was “misunderstood” about [her] support of direct negotiations with terrorists. As in, I did not say that, and I am completely innocent.
I love democratic countries. Ukrainians trolled Angela Horstovna [patronymic play on Horst] on Facebook a tad with the trademark phrase “Danke, Frau Ribbentrop,” and it immediately got a reaction.
If Merkel’s words were followed by deeds and the rejection of any lobbying sympathies towards Putin–she would be priceless. And in fact there is truly an overall impression that the Chancellor is aiming to be a personal retiree of “Gazprom.”
By the way, just like the president of France, who has also been trolled today in social networks for sales of “Mistral.” And rightly so.
https://translate.googleusercontent...949848&usg=ALkJrhhRQjhNCdx2AutCjialaehhlgZDyg
Brothers and sisters!
Here’s the Summary for July 15, 2014.
The bad news:
1. The successes of the ATO forces, which we cheered until just after the end of the “ceasefire,” have changed into “trench warfare.”
The main reason is that by saving its terrorists in Donbas from total defeat, Moscow resorts to every conceivable and inconceivable international crime. This includes the deployment of heavy weaponry to Ukraine (now increasingly so, alongside their military personnel and combat crews), and the direct fire support of insurgents from the territory of the Russian Federation–at the positions of our border control guards and Armed Forces.
I don’t know why we are so stubbornly ashamed to call a spade a spade and officially state that there is a war by Russia against Ukraine. Otherwise, it comes to the point of absurdity.
Here today, for example, the RNBO [National Security and Defense Council] came up with a puzzle. The town of Snizhne in Donetsk Oblast [region] was hit with an airstrike. Our aviation did not even rise into the air [today]. Experts at the ATO headquarters argue that terrorists have no a priori aviation at their disposal. [So] here’s the question: who could have inflicted this blow? The RNBO coined the term, an “unknown aircraft.” So whose plane can this be, if not the ATO forces’ or the insurgents’, how many options are left? Meanwhile, 11 civilians were killed …
Until we call black, black, and the war a war, the theater of the absurd will continue.
2. From the same series…dances continue around France’s delivery of the “Mistral” helicopter carriers to Putin. The position of Paris: since things between Ukraine and Russia are all well, Madame la Marquise, why should we give up the contract?
The bottom line is that the West cannot supply weapons to Ukraine because it is prohibited [from doing so] by exporter codes of conduct–as in, this is a zone of conflict, [and] weapons cannot be sold here. And Russia, which started and is waging this war, from the point of view of international law has not the slightest relationship to the conflict!
If we can force the international community to recognize that Russia is waging a war against Ukraine–the question of a ban on deliveries of military and dual-purpose goods by civilized nations to Russia will be solved by itself. The one who sells even a cartridge case to Putin [will be considered a] criminal.
3. In Russian cities, local authorities are openly holding send-off ceremonies for “volunteers,” as well as those openly recruited by the military commissariats, for good money, to the war in Ukraine. Today, such a ceremony was held in Samara.
I very much hope that every one of the mercenaries, whom the Russian freaks applauded today in Samara, returns home–to the last. In beautiful zinc containers. Although not quite whole.
The good news:
1. Today, the [Ukrainian] Foreign Ministry announced: the Ukrainian side hopes that the Council of Europe will decide tomorrow to introduce the next round of sanctions against Russia.
Honestly, there isn’t much hope for it. But our diplomatic sources indicate that just within last week, the rhetoric of many European diplomats changed in favor of Ukraine. Hopefully tomorrow we will still be able to tell Europe “thank you” from the bottom of our hearts.
2. Four crew members of the AN-26 that had been downed yesterday, were rescued by ATO forces. Let’s keep our fingers crossed that the other guys will be alright as well, including those who had been captured.
Today, Russian media showed a video of the interrogation of one of our guys. “I took an oath and do what my conscience will let me live with thereafter,” he said.
I don’t even know why the slow-witted Russian propagandists even began showing this video. They wanted to show that “servicemen of the Ukrainian army underwent brainwashing by Kyiv’s propaganda.” And showed a hero and a patriot who remained faithful to the oath. Ukraine, may you be the envy of the whole planet–for such sons as yours.
3. German Chancellor Angela Merkel began to argue that she was “misunderstood” about [her] support of direct negotiations with terrorists. As in, I did not say that, and I am completely innocent.
I love democratic countries. Ukrainians trolled Angela Horstovna [patronymic play on Horst] on Facebook a tad with the trademark phrase “Danke, Frau Ribbentrop,” and it immediately got a reaction.
If Merkel’s words were followed by deeds and the rejection of any lobbying sympathies towards Putin–she would be priceless. And in fact there is truly an overall impression that the Chancellor is aiming to be a personal retiree of “Gazprom.”
By the way, just like the president of France, who has also been trolled today in social networks for sales of “Mistral.” And rightly so.
sirppimestari
Kersantti
Ei varmaan sen vertaa mitä tavalliset sotamiehet tietävät. Tietenkin toimittajat pääsevät eri paikkoihon joten sieltä kautta tulee tietämystä.
Izvarinon raja-aseman lähistöllä olevat kolme yksikköä (72th Mechanized Brigade, 79th Airborne Brigade, 24th Mechanized Brigade) ovat olleet piiritettyinä ja niiden tilanne oli huono
jo viime yönä: ammukset ja ruoka alkoivat loppua. Alasammutun AN-26 koneen piti auttaa heitä.
https://translate.google.fi/transla...v-znischiti-lugansk-jurnalist.html&edit-text=
Ukrainian military told troops (in) emergency near Izvaryne
Soldiers of the 72 th Mechanized Brigade, located in the Izvaryne Luhansk region, the fourth day are surrounded by and have a serious loss. Because of the dense fire terrorists they can not take out the dead and wounded.
Reported by Informator, who was contacted by telephone to one of the commanders of brigades. In a fight ending ammunition and food, to break out of their own environment, they can not. According to the officer, the gunmen methodically shot Ukrainian troops from artillery and multiple launch rocket systems. The situation is critical, the men are not confident that they can hold out until the morning. The same officer said another 72 th Mechanized Brigade, who in a telephone interview "Espreso.TV" spoke about the critical situation surrounded by soldiers.
...
A spokesman for the anti-terrorist center Vladislav Seleznev, in turn, said that the command is aware of the plight of the encircled units and doing everything possible to save them, according to TSN. According Selezneva, transport Ukraine Air Force, shot down by terrorists on July 15, was part of a plan to rescue the blocked motorized rifle troops. "We think these guys are heroes, we have not forgotten about them and do everything in our power to help them," - said Vladislav Seleznev
jo viime yönä: ammukset ja ruoka alkoivat loppua. Alasammutun AN-26 koneen piti auttaa heitä.
https://translate.google.fi/transla...v-znischiti-lugansk-jurnalist.html&edit-text=
Ukrainian military told troops (in) emergency near Izvaryne
Soldiers of the 72 th Mechanized Brigade, located in the Izvaryne Luhansk region, the fourth day are surrounded by and have a serious loss. Because of the dense fire terrorists they can not take out the dead and wounded.
Reported by Informator, who was contacted by telephone to one of the commanders of brigades. In a fight ending ammunition and food, to break out of their own environment, they can not. According to the officer, the gunmen methodically shot Ukrainian troops from artillery and multiple launch rocket systems. The situation is critical, the men are not confident that they can hold out until the morning. The same officer said another 72 th Mechanized Brigade, who in a telephone interview "Espreso.TV" spoke about the critical situation surrounded by soldiers.
...
A spokesman for the anti-terrorist center Vladislav Seleznev, in turn, said that the command is aware of the plight of the encircled units and doing everything possible to save them, according to TSN. According Selezneva, transport Ukraine Air Force, shot down by terrorists on July 15, was part of a plan to rescue the blocked motorized rifle troops. "We think these guys are heroes, we have not forgotten about them and do everything in our power to help them," - said Vladislav Seleznev
sirppimestari
Kersantti
Niin tässä on tietenkin semmoinen asia että moottoriturbiinikone jätä tuommoista vanajälkeä jälkeensä.
My bad.
Myrskyhiiri
Respected Leader
It's all about property. Ja nyt rintamalinjoja alkaa muodostua.
http://rt.com/business/173008-brics-bank-currency-pool/
BRICS establish $100bn bank and currency pool to cut out Western dominance
http://rt.com/business/173008-brics-bank-currency-pool/
BRICS establish $100bn bank and currency pool to cut out Western dominance
Niin ja Ukrainakin tuki Suomea 1939-1940 lähettämällä ei-motivoituneita joukkoja divisioonan verran Raatteen tielle, jonne sopuisasti kuolivat pakkaseen. Olivat muuten hienon muistomerkin laittaneet ukrainalaiset pojilleen jälkeenpäin - käytiin juuri viime vkloppuna katsastamassa tuo Raatteen portti. Niin se vain kääntyy kansojen kohtalot ja suunnat historian vongerruksessa.
Murskyhiiri se vain jaksaa. Ukraina oli v. 1939 Neuvostoliiton osa. Stalinin tapatettua nälkään siellä lähes 7 miljoonaa ihmistä 1930-luvun alussa, loput miehet menivät sinne minne Neuvostoarmeijan johto heidät määräsi. Totta tosin on, että taisteluinto suomalaisia vastaan ei lienee ollut kovinkaan kummoinen.
Ukrainan sisäministeri Arsen Avakov on ilmeisesti salamurhattu ollessaan ATO-alueella:
According to Ukrinform on Interior Minister Arsen Avakov in the area of the ATO was assassinated. On it informs a source in law enforcement. At the moment, no more details.
http://inforesist.org/na-avakova-v-zone-ato-soversheno-pokushenie/
https://translate.google.fi/transla...-v-zone-ato-soversheno-pokushenie/&edit-text=
According to Ukrinform on Interior Minister Arsen Avakov in the area of the ATO was assassinated. On it informs a source in law enforcement. At the moment, no more details.
http://inforesist.org/na-avakova-v-zone-ato-soversheno-pokushenie/
https://translate.google.fi/transla...-v-zone-ato-soversheno-pokushenie/&edit-text=
Lepukki
Eversti
Nyt tulikin sitten sulateltavaa... Mitenkän tuonkin uutisen sitten ottaisi. Onko tämä positiivinen muutos vai negatiivinen muutos maailmalle, Euroopalle tai Suomelle?
edit: Väärä ketju tietenkin tämänlaiselle pohdinnalle...