Eiköhän sieltä alas pääse ajoissa. Mutta jos 9 kilsan korkeudessa nopeus on tippunut 60 kilsan tienoille, niin silloin on ollut jotakin outoa meneillään. Siinä on melkein pitänyt nostaa nokan pystyyn. Toisaalta, autopilotti voisi sitä kai koettaakin, jos koneen moottorit eivät anna tarpeeksi tehoja.
Vika vaan on siinä, että he valmistavat koneita jotka tunnetaan "putoleveina", joten karma menee hieman hukkaan, kun asia voidaan sivuuttaa normaali tapahtumana.
Maidan
Respected Leader
Nuo Putte-fyyrerin "pahoittelut" ovat samat kun Kurskin kanssa. Silloin hän ei vitsinyt edes loma Sotchissa keskeyttää, ja myöhemmin kun häneltä haastelussa kysytty (muistaakseni amerikkalainen jornalisti) "what about Kursk?", niin botoksinen fyrer vastasi omahyväisen tyylin "se on uuponut" ja jatkoi hymyilemista. Hyvä ettei hihittänyt.
Maidan
Respected Leader
Ne myös itse ovat hyvin järjestämään lentoturmia.
BUKejakin tuodaan varta vasten, Kremlin ääliöt ovat myös kekseliaita: Puolan Katchinsky presidentti ja konellinen Puolan valtiomiehia ohjattu alas kuolemaan "sumussa" että siinä menehtyneet kaikki. Myös ranskalaiselle liikemiehelle järjestetty lentoturma, tiesi liika.
Pitää olla todella sinisilmäinen lentäessään heidän koneilla muutenkin. Nehän siellä tippuu säännöllisen välin. Ei sitä vain uutisoida.
tulikomento
Supreme Leader
Minulle on jäänyt hyvin mieleen tämä Kurskin uppoamiseen liittyvä tapaus.
Tuolloinen varapääministeri Ilja Klebanov piti tiedotustilaisuutta miehistönjäsenten omaisille. Muuan poikansa menettänyt äiti nousee ylös ja kiroaa valehtelevan poliitikon alimpaan helvettiin. Naisen taakse ilmestyy heti väkeä vaientamaan tämän. Naiselle annetaan väkisin rauhoittavia lääkkeitä pistoksella ja näin hallinnon kannalta ikävä välikohtaus lakaistaan sopivasti maton alle.
STI_Tactical9mm
Kenraali
Interdasting ....
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/c...st-russian-crash-killing-224-was-no-accident/
CHILLING new details suggest Russian crash killing 224 was NO ACCIDENT
Written by Michelle Jesse, Associate Editor on October 31, 2015
Many of us awoke this morning to the tragic news that a Russian passenger plane carrying 224 passengers, including 17 children, plunged into a fiery crash in Egypt. Traveling from the popular Egyptian holiday resort of Sharm El-Sheikh to the Russian city of St Petersburg, many of the dead are believed to be holiday makers headed home.
While initial reports suggested the crash was caused by technical issues, new information suggests it may be the work of ISIS.
Via UK Express:
ISLAMIC State militants have claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane which crashed in Egypt killing 224 people, according to a terrorist monitoring group.
Terror Monitor, an online terrorist monitoring organisation, claims to have a statement from Islamic State militants claiming responsibility for the attack.
The group, which watches terrorist groups around the world, tweeted an image of the Arabic statement and wrote: “#IslamicState (#ISIS) terror group claims downing of Russian aircraft in #Sinai.”
The unverified statement, written in Arabic, says the flight crash was NOT a technical fault, as reported by security sources.
The translated statement read: “The fighters of the Islamic State were able to down a Russian plane over Sinai province that was carrying over 220 Russian crusaders.
“They were all killed, thanks be to God.”
News agency AFP has also reported ISIS has claimed responsiblity for the downing of the Russian plane.
According to the agency the statement on social media read: “The soldiers of the caliphate succeeded in bringing down a Russian plane in Sinai.”
Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on her Facebook page that Russian Embassy personnel in Egypt are working to clarify the situation.
The Russian airliner was reported to have plunged vertically to the ground and then burst into flames, which certainly suggests something went very suddenly wrong. And while Russian officials are cautioning that ISIS’s claims “can’t be considered accurate” yet — as they’re still working on clarification — many of us can’t help but wonder if indeed this is some of the retaliation ISIS promised in response to Russia’s airstrikes against them in Syria.
If indeed ISIS claims are true that it was behind the downing of this Russian passenger jet, it’s yet another signal of the situation in the region continuing to escalate out of control, with consequences extending far beyond those fighting on the ground in Syria. And meanwhile, President Obama’s response is sending 50 Special Forces Operations to “help” in Syria? And our lame stream media is using words like “intensify” to describe Obama’s latest addition to operations there. What. A. Sorry. Joke. Not to diminish in any way the talent of our U.S. Special Forces, but does anyone really think 50 troops “just helping” are going to make a dent now in what seems to be escalating by the day? Col. Allen West, of course, has a few choice things to say about this, which we’ll share with you next.
Meanwhile, Russia has declared tomorrow a day of mourning, and we pray for the innocent souls lost and their families.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...t-Terror-Monitor-jihadis-claim-responsibility
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/c...st-russian-crash-killing-224-was-no-accident/
CHILLING new details suggest Russian crash killing 224 was NO ACCIDENT
Written by Michelle Jesse, Associate Editor on October 31, 2015
Many of us awoke this morning to the tragic news that a Russian passenger plane carrying 224 passengers, including 17 children, plunged into a fiery crash in Egypt. Traveling from the popular Egyptian holiday resort of Sharm El-Sheikh to the Russian city of St Petersburg, many of the dead are believed to be holiday makers headed home.
While initial reports suggested the crash was caused by technical issues, new information suggests it may be the work of ISIS.
Via UK Express:
ISLAMIC State militants have claimed responsibility for the downing of a Russian passenger plane which crashed in Egypt killing 224 people, according to a terrorist monitoring group.
Terror Monitor, an online terrorist monitoring organisation, claims to have a statement from Islamic State militants claiming responsibility for the attack.
The group, which watches terrorist groups around the world, tweeted an image of the Arabic statement and wrote: “#IslamicState (#ISIS) terror group claims downing of Russian aircraft in #Sinai.”
The unverified statement, written in Arabic, says the flight crash was NOT a technical fault, as reported by security sources.
The translated statement read: “The fighters of the Islamic State were able to down a Russian plane over Sinai province that was carrying over 220 Russian crusaders.
“They were all killed, thanks be to God.”
News agency AFP has also reported ISIS has claimed responsiblity for the downing of the Russian plane.
According to the agency the statement on social media read: “The soldiers of the caliphate succeeded in bringing down a Russian plane in Sinai.”
Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on her Facebook page that Russian Embassy personnel in Egypt are working to clarify the situation.
The Russian airliner was reported to have plunged vertically to the ground and then burst into flames, which certainly suggests something went very suddenly wrong. And while Russian officials are cautioning that ISIS’s claims “can’t be considered accurate” yet — as they’re still working on clarification — many of us can’t help but wonder if indeed this is some of the retaliation ISIS promised in response to Russia’s airstrikes against them in Syria.
If indeed ISIS claims are true that it was behind the downing of this Russian passenger jet, it’s yet another signal of the situation in the region continuing to escalate out of control, with consequences extending far beyond those fighting on the ground in Syria. And meanwhile, President Obama’s response is sending 50 Special Forces Operations to “help” in Syria? And our lame stream media is using words like “intensify” to describe Obama’s latest addition to operations there. What. A. Sorry. Joke. Not to diminish in any way the talent of our U.S. Special Forces, but does anyone really think 50 troops “just helping” are going to make a dent now in what seems to be escalating by the day? Col. Allen West, of course, has a few choice things to say about this, which we’ll share with you next.
Meanwhile, Russia has declared tomorrow a day of mourning, and we pray for the innocent souls lost and their families.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...t-Terror-Monitor-jihadis-claim-responsibility
STI_Tactical9mm
Kenraali
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/10/31/us-egypt-crash-airlines-idUSKCN0SP0W220151031
Lufthansa, Air France avoid flying over Sinai after crash
Two of Europe's largest airlines have decided to avoid flying over the Sinai peninsula while they wait for clarity on what caused a Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers to crash in the area on Saturday.
German carrier Lufthansa (LHAG.DE) and Air France-KLM (AIRF.PA) have decided to avoid the area for safety reasons, spokeswomen for the carriers said on Saturday.
"We took the decision to avoid the area because the situation and the reasons for the crash were not clear," a Lufthansa spokeswoman said. "We will continue to avoid the area until it is clear what caused the crash."
Lufthansa has less than 10 flights a day that cross the area, she said.
"Air France confirms it has set up, as a precaution, measures to avoid flights over the zone of Sinai," the spokeswoman for the carrier said.
Lufthansa, Air France avoid flying over Sinai after crash
Two of Europe's largest airlines have decided to avoid flying over the Sinai peninsula while they wait for clarity on what caused a Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers to crash in the area on Saturday.
German carrier Lufthansa (LHAG.DE) and Air France-KLM (AIRF.PA) have decided to avoid the area for safety reasons, spokeswomen for the carriers said on Saturday.
"We took the decision to avoid the area because the situation and the reasons for the crash were not clear," a Lufthansa spokeswoman said. "We will continue to avoid the area until it is clear what caused the crash."
Lufthansa has less than 10 flights a day that cross the area, she said.
"Air France confirms it has set up, as a precaution, measures to avoid flights over the zone of Sinai," the spokeswoman for the carrier said.
60 solmua eli noin 100 kilsaa tunnissa. Mikä nyt sinänsä on pikku lillukanvarsi... Wikipediassa on juttua kymmenen vuoden takaisesta paineenmenetysturmasta: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios_Airwaysin_lento_522
Englanninkielinen selostus on paljon pidempi ja seikkaperäisempi. Lyhyesti, koneesta hävisi paineistus, matkustajat ja miehistö menettivät tajuntansa, mutta kone lensi vielä kolme tuntia kunnes kerosiini loppui. Matkustajat olivat yhä elossa mutta tajuttomia kun kone rysähti vuoren rinteeseen.
Eli totta, alas pääsee jos pysyy tarpeeksi tajuissaan että pystyy ohjaamaan, ja tajuaa sulkea autopilotin ettei se vedä konetta uudestaan korkealle.
Niin, mutta kun se pudonnut kone oli "ilmalinja-auto..." Airbus A321. Tosiasia on että asiallisesti huollettu Tupolev ei hajoa sen enempää kuin asiallisesti huollettu Airbus tai Boeing. Huonosti huollettu Airbus tai Boeing taas putoaa siinä kuin huonosti huollettu Tupolevikin. No sen asiallisen huollon hinta on tietysti ihan eri Tupolevin kuin Airbusin tai Boeingin kanssa...
Tuo islamistien väite terroriteosta on tietysti mielenkiintoinen uutinen varsinkin yhdistettynä lentoyhtiöiden ilmoitukseen Siinain kiertämisestä. Toisaalta lentoyhtiöt ovat varmasti MH17:n tapauksen jälkeen hyvin herkkiä välttämään epäilyttäviä alueita, ja aiemminkin on yhtä onnettomuutta ehtinyt väittää omaksi terroriteokseen toistakymmentä järjestöä...
Pointti oli se, että siellä on totuttu putoileviin koneisiin.
Ok, mut mun käsitys karmasta on sellainen että se ei tee esimerkkejä. Se ei jätä jonkun huonokarmaisen lentoa pudottamatta koska sen eloonjäävät kaverit ei ota jutusta opikseen.
Ehkä niin, mutta menee karma/ironia hukkaan mikä on ikävää.
John Hilly
Ylipäällikkö
Tämä taitaa tosiaan olla Siinain ISIS:in turhaa uhoa:
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news...-responsibility-for-russian-plane-crash-16830
Islamic State group in Sinai claims responsibility for Russian plane crash
An Islamic State affiliate in the Sinai Peninsula claims to have downed the Russian plane as an act of revenge following Russian airstrikes in Syria. However, Egyptian and Russian officials rejected this claim.
Oct 31, 2015, 06:24PM | Yael Klein
The bodies of 100 of the 224 people who were on board the Russian plane that crashed in the Sinai Peninsula this morning were found by noon. According to Egyptian reports, there were no survivors in the crash. The plane had taken-off from Sharm el-Sheikh and headed for Saint Petersburg. "Most of the victims died with their seatbelts still on," a source associated with the Egyptian investigation of the crash stated. Among the victims are five children.
An Islamic State affiliate in the Sinai Peninsula claims to be responsible for the crash. It claims to have had downed the plane to avenge Russian airstrikes in Syria. However, the report is put into question, since official reports in Egypt claimed the crash was a result of a technical problem in the plane. The Russian Ministry of Transportation rejected the Islamic State statement, asserting such a claim was "not possible."
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news...-responsibility-for-russian-plane-crash-16830
Islamic State group in Sinai claims responsibility for Russian plane crash
An Islamic State affiliate in the Sinai Peninsula claims to have downed the Russian plane as an act of revenge following Russian airstrikes in Syria. However, Egyptian and Russian officials rejected this claim.
Oct 31, 2015, 06:24PM | Yael Klein
The bodies of 100 of the 224 people who were on board the Russian plane that crashed in the Sinai Peninsula this morning were found by noon. According to Egyptian reports, there were no survivors in the crash. The plane had taken-off from Sharm el-Sheikh and headed for Saint Petersburg. "Most of the victims died with their seatbelts still on," a source associated with the Egyptian investigation of the crash stated. Among the victims are five children.
An Islamic State affiliate in the Sinai Peninsula claims to be responsible for the crash. It claims to have had downed the plane to avenge Russian airstrikes in Syria. However, the report is put into question, since official reports in Egypt claimed the crash was a result of a technical problem in the plane. The Russian Ministry of Transportation rejected the Islamic State statement, asserting such a claim was "not possible."
Tottakai on. Siis jos kone on ilmoitellut radiolla teknisistä vaikeuksista, niin se on se ilmeisin ja todennäköisin syy.
Minuteman
Eversti
Jahas, Putin-Jugent on nyt sitten virallisesti olemassa:
Esikuvana Neuvostoliiton nuorisojärjestöt - Venäjällä perustettiin Putin-pioneerit
Sunnuntai 1.11.2015 http://www.iltalehti.fi/ulkomaat/2015110120590147_ul.shtml
Uuden maanlaajuisen varhaisnuorisojärjestön tarkoitus on kasvattaa alaikäisiä "venäläisen yhteiskunnan arvojärjestelmään".
Moskovassa presidentti Vladimir Putin allekirjoitti loppuviikosta asetuksen, jonka mukaan Venäjällä perustetaan uusi isänmaallishenkinen nuorisojärjestö nimeltään "Venäjän koululaisten liike".
Järjestön julkikirjattuna tavoitteena on "toteuttaa valtion politiikkaa alaikäisen nuorison kasvatuksen alueella" sekä edistää "venäläisiä arvoja".
Venäjän vanhempainliiton edustaja Aleksei Gusov raotti uuden organisaation arvopohjaa sanomalehti Kommersantissa. Hänen mukaan pohjana on vuoteen 2025 saakka ulottuva valtion kasvatuspoliittinen strategia.
Siinä korostetaan "perinteisiä perhearvoja" sekä lasten kunnioittavaa suhtautumista perheeseen, vanhempiin ja vanhempaan sukupolveen.
Lisäksi tavoitteisiin kuuluvat isänmaallisuus sekä vastuu "perinteisistä kulttuurisista, hengellisistä ja moraalisista" arvoista. Mitä nämä arvot konkreettisesti ovat, ei ole tehty selkoa.
Samana päivänä, kun Putin allekirjoitti määräyksensä, Venäjällä vietettiin leniniläisen Komsomolin vuosijuhlaa. Komsomol oli Neuvostoliiton kommunistisen puolueen virallinen nuorisojärjestö. Puolueen lapsijärjestö oli puolestaan pioneerit.
Asiantuntijat näkevät, että nyt tarkoitus on perustaa samanhenkinen kasvatusjärjestö, mutta erilaisella ideologialla.
Organisaation valtiollista asemaa kuvaa se, että järjestön on tarkoitus toimia maan nuorisoministeriön alaisuudessa. Rahoituksen on tarkoitus puolestaan tulla opetus- ja tiedeministeriön budjetista. Lisäksi piirijärjestöjä perustetaan kaikille Venäjän alueille.
"Demokratian ihme"
Putin pyysi jo aiemmin syksyllä duuman neljältä puolueelta ideoita uuden koululaisjärjestön pohjaksi.
Ihme ei olekaan, että maan poliittinen eliitti on ylistänyt uutta aloitetta.
- Presidentti on tehnyt demokraattisen ihmeen. Tämä on suuri lahja Komsomolin vuosipäivänä, luonnehti valtapuolue Yhtenäisen Venäjän kansanedustaja, Neuvostoliiton kansantaiteilija Josef Kobson uutistoimisto TASS:ille.
Myös puoluekentän vasemmalla laidalla iloitaan.
- Tämä on mahtava idea. Koulun ei pidä olla vain koulutuksen keskus vaan myös keskus nousevan polven isänmaalliselle kasvatukselle, sosialidemokraattisen Oikeudenmukainen Venäjä - puolueen puheenjohtaja Sergei Miranov linjasi.
- Kyse on pioneerien ja Komsomolin parhaiden perinteiden henkiin herättämisestä, kommunistisen puolueen puheenjohtaja Gennadi Zjuganov suitsutti.
Kommersantin haastattelema asiantuntija puolestaan pitää ylhäältä päin ohjattua aloitetta omituisena.
- Tämä heijastelee tämän päivän asialistaa (Venäjällä), kääntymistä kohti ortodoksista uskoa ja sotilaallista isänmaallista kasvatusta, moskovalaisen talouskorkeakoulun tutkija Pavel Kudjukin toteaa.
Hän ihmettelee, miten kouluikäinen nuoriso maassa saadaan edes kiinnostumaan moisesta hankkeesta.
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Kouluikäinen nuoriso nyt on kiinnostunut kaikkialla lähinnä vastakkaisesta sukupuolesta, pelaamisesta, vanhempiensa edustaman sukupolven ärsyttämisestä ja pään sekoittamisesta tarkoitukseen sopivilla aineilla. Näin on aina ollut ja näin on aina oleva.
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STI_Tactical9mm
Kenraali
Jaa jaa ... näin tämä homma etenee ... (??)
http://abcnews.go.com/International...cial-doomed-russian-plane-good-shape-34888552
Alexander Fridlyand, an expert who leads a Moscow-based aviation research center, said in televised remarks that a quick plunge from high altitude may indicate that a plane was hit by a bomb explosion in its luggage compartment.
Another possibility is a malfunction of the plane's power system, which could have triggered a fire or the shutdown of both engines, he added.
Alexander Smirnov, Metrojet's deputy director, said an engine failure would not have caused the plane to crash.
"An engine failure doesn't lead to catastrophe," he said on television. Smirnov described the A321 as a reliable aircraft that would not fall into a spin even if the pilots made a grave error because automatic systems correct crew mistakes.
http://abcnews.go.com/International...cial-doomed-russian-plane-good-shape-34888552
Alexander Fridlyand, an expert who leads a Moscow-based aviation research center, said in televised remarks that a quick plunge from high altitude may indicate that a plane was hit by a bomb explosion in its luggage compartment.
Another possibility is a malfunction of the plane's power system, which could have triggered a fire or the shutdown of both engines, he added.
Alexander Smirnov, Metrojet's deputy director, said an engine failure would not have caused the plane to crash.
"An engine failure doesn't lead to catastrophe," he said on television. Smirnov described the A321 as a reliable aircraft that would not fall into a spin even if the pilots made a grave error because automatic systems correct crew mistakes.
taantumu
Kenraali
Pommia luultavampi selitys tapaukselle on koneen takaosan paineistuksen hajoaminen ja siitä johtunut korkeusperäsimien kontrollin menetys. Tälle kyseiselle koneelle oli joskus sattunut ns. tailstrike eli koneen perän osuminen kiitoradan pintaan nousussa tai laskussa. Useammassakin tapauksessa pieleen mennyt tailstrike-vaurion korjaus on aiheuttanut koneen tuhoutumisen vuosien kuluttua korjauksesta. Esim. Japan Airlines 123 jossa kuoli 520 henkeä ja China Airlines 611.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_123
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Airlines_Flight_611