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Ulkomaat 26.9.2014 klo 15:44
Viro pidätti kaksi entistä KGB-upseeria rajaloukkauksesta
Viron mukaan miesten vene tuli Viron aluevesille viikonloppuna. Venäjän mukaan kalastamassa olleet miehet tulivat vain kymmenisen metriä Viron puolelle ja olisivat aiemmin selvinneet teosta sakolla.
Viron rajavartiolaitos pidätti viikonloppuna kaksi venäläiskalastajaa, jotka tulivat Viron aluevesien puolelle. Myöhemmin ilmeni, että kalastajat ovat entisiä Neuvostoliiton turvallisuuspalvelun KGB:n upseereita, kertoo Viron yleisradioyhtiö.

Syyttäjänviraston edustaja vakuuttaa, ettei miesten tausta vaikuta heidän kohteluunsa. Miehet pidätettiin syytettynä rajaloukkauksesta ja pidätyksen vastustamisesta. He yrittivät viranomaisten mukaan paeta Venäjän puolelle. Syytteet voivat johtaa enimmillään vuoden vankeustuomioon.

Syyttäjänviraston mukaan on olemassa vaara siitä, että miehet pakenevat, jos heidät päästetään takuita vastaan vapaaksi.

Rajavartiosto pidätti miehet 20. syyskuuta Narvajoella. Venäläinen nettisivusto 47news.ru kertoo miesten työskennelleen KGB-uransa jälkeen suojelupoliisissa mutta olevan jo eläkkeellä.

Venäjän konsulin mukaan Viro ei ole koskaan aikaisemmin pidättänyt venäläisiä rajaloukkausten takia.Venäjän turvallisuuspalvelun FSB:n rajavartijaviraston mukaan miehet menivät Viron puolelle, mutta vain kymmenen metriä. Aiemmin tällaisista tapauksista olisi sen mukaan seurannut sakko, mutta nyt Viro on päättänyt käyttää lain koko voimaa.

Pidätyksistä kertoi ensimmäisenä Suomessa Verkkouutiset.

Virossa on herättänyt suuttumusta virolaisen poliisin Eston Kohverin äskettäinen pidätys ja asettaminen Venäjällä syytteeseen vakoilusta. Venäjä syyttää Kohveria rajaloukkauksesta, kun taas Viron mukaan Kohver siepattiin sen maaperällä.



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Itse asiassa vielä ei kirjoitettu sopimusta, tavoite on tehdä niin joulukuussa. Mitäköhän nuo "support/special machines" joista toisessa uutisessa mainittiin, ovat?
 
Estonia to Establish Border Control Task Force


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Estonian Minister of the Interior Hanno Pevkur announced in ETV's "Foorum" on Tuesday night that the government plans to establish a new border control task force to carry out special operations.

"Today we have a clear understanding that in addition to regular border control, we will establish a special task force," said Pevkur, who added that the force will carry out special risk-assessment based operations.



Pevkur said the first location established for the task force will be in Piusa, which is in southeast Estonia near Võru. Narva, the third-largest city in Estonia on the northeastern border of Russia will be the second. There might be a third station put in Tallinn, he said.

According to Pevkur, the new units will be established in 2015 and this has already been agreed with the Police and Border Guard Board.

"One unit will be based in Piusa guard station, which will be rebuilt next year, and the other in Narva, so in the two most critical areas," Pevkur said.

"They will react to border incidents and undertake special missions based on risk assessment," said the minister, who promised that the task force will be supplied with the best possible equipment.

Pevkur did not say how much the new task force will cost to the taxpayers, as such information is not public. "I cannot say how many employees there will be. Let's just say that it costs a lot."

Aaviksoo: no point in overreacting

The former Minister of Defense and IRL party member Jaak Aaviksoo said during the program that some kind of rapid response capacity and special training is indeed needed after taking into account the changed security situation in Eastern Europe. At the same time, there is no point in overreacting.

"We have an incident in the public eye ... but whether we have one, two, three or four pairs of boots per kilometer of the border makes little difference to defense. This is not something we should go through with, taking into account that these people will be taken from somewhere else," Aaviksoo said.

He added that if there is a real danger for an armed conflict, then there is no way to stop it on the border at present.

"I think that we should think calmly about what we need to do there. We must be informed on what is going on, we must have technical surveillance and if there are blind spots, invest in them, and not overreact in the process," Aaviksoo said.

The current Minister of Defense, Sven Mikser, said that in principle it is necessary to supply the border with surveillance devices and make sure that the border agency has enough manpower to allow for sufficient control to be exercised in the first place.

Mikser also said that the recent focus on Russia's "hybrid warfare" indicates that Estonia needs a very broad approach to defense.

"We won't be helped by people walking up and down the border and the production of camera footage alone, but by all relevant structures knowing their role, knowing the legal space in which they operate, that the police does its duty, the armed forces and the Defense League do their duty, and the border guards do theirs," Mikser said.

http://news.err.ee/v/politics/3c02e39e-e2e2-489c-92bf-ecb5da70f6d0
 
Itse asiassa vielä ei kirjoitettu sopimusta, tavoite on tehdä niin joulukuussa. Mitäköhän nuo "support/special machines" joista toisessa uutisessa mainittiin, ovat?

Muistaakseni Hollannilla on ajokoulutusvariantti tuosta vaunusta. Voisi olla se/niitä ja/tai mahdollisesti kuorma-auto kolonna huoltoroinaa.
 

Nyt englanniksikin aiheesta:

http://www.kmin.ee/en/netherlands-to-send-cv90-ifvs-to-estonian-independence-day-parade

Netherlands to send CV90 IFV’s to Estonian Independence Day parade
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01.10.2014

Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert and Sven Mikser signing the cooperation agreement.
Author: Ardi Hallismaa / Estonian Defence Forces
Dutch Defence Minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert announced during her visit to Estonia today that defence cooperation will be strengthened. Among other things, Dutch troops will take part in the next Independence Day parade with CV90 infantry fighting vehicles and hold joint exercises with the Scoutsbattalion.
Estonian Minister of Defence Sven Mikser and Henni-Plasschaert discussed the results of the NATO Wales summit, the new security situation that has arisen in Europe due to the Ukraine conflict and the actions of the international community against the Islamic State in the Middle East.

“At the meeting, we discussed above all how to fill in the decisions of the Wales summit with content and decisively improve NATO’s quick reaction capability,” said Mikser.

Mikser said the Netherlands had a clear desire to further strengthen defence cooperation with Estonia with sending a naval squadron to visit Estonia, is contributing to Baltic Air Policing, and sending infantry fighting vehicles to Estonia. “Such cooperation has such a great political and practical importance – having common armoured vehicles, we can work closely with the Netherlands in maintaining, repairing and training for these vehicles,” Mikser said.

The defence ministers also signed memorandum of joint intent with regard to using the CV90 vehicles in the Estonian Defence Forces, with the militaries of the two countries exchanging information on mechanized unit training, tactics, ammunition and training areas. The procurement contract for 44 CV90s and auxiliary vehicles is to be signed this year.

Hennis-Plasschaert also placed a wreath at the foot of the War of Independence monument in Tallinn, and will visit Ämari Air Force Base this afternoon.

Estonian-Dutch defence cooperation has mainly been focused on procurement. Since 2004, Estonia has acquired over 1,100 lightly used and well-maintained trucks and jeeps, some 500 trailers and staff containers and 81 SISU XA-188 armoured personnel carriers.

Dutch F-16s have also taken part in Baltic Air Policing and are also based at Malbork base in Poland in connection with the new security situation. In the second half of October, Estonia will be visited by a naval squadron from the Netherlands consisting of a submarine, frigate, patrol boat and two auxiliaries.

Photo gallery of the visit of Dutch Defence Minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert to Estonia can be found in the Defence Forces photo database: http://pildid.mil.ee/Madalmaade-kun...-Hennis-Plasschaert-i-Eesti-visiit-01-10-2014

More information:
Peeter Kuimet
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http://www.baltic-course.com/eng/markets_and_companies/?doc=97085

Estonia concludes preliminary agreement on its biggest defence procurement ever
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Estonian Defence Minister Sven Mikser and Dutch Defence Minister Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert signed on Wednesday in Tallinn a cooperation agreement for the purchase of 44 military battle machines CV90 for the Estonian Defence Forces, which is the largest defence procurement after the restoration of independence, LETA/Postimees Online reports.
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Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert and Sven Mikser. Photo: mil.ee


Mikser said after the agreement was signed, that the purchase contract of the battle machines will be signed before the end of this year.



Mikser said that it isn’t yet possible to say exactly when the infantry battle vehicles arrive to Estonia. The vehicles will be paid for in installments and the first installment is included in next year's budget. "The machines arrive in Estonia in line with the schedule of payments," said Mikser.



Mikser stated that it is the largest defence procurement after restoration of the Estonian independence, which will definitely improve significantly the Estonian defence ability. In accordance with good practices, the cost of the vehicles is not revealed before signing the contract.



The 44 vehicles will be used by Scoutsbattalion.



Jeanine Hennis-Plasschaert said they agreed with Mikser today also that the Dutch infantry battle vehicles will participate in the Independence Day parade on February 24 next year in Estonia.



Estonian defence cooperation with the Kingdom of the Netherlands is mainly focused on the area of procurement. Since 2004, Estonia has acquired from the Netherlands for a favourable price over 1,100 used trucks and SUVs, nearly 500 trailers and staff containers, and 81 armoured transporters SISU XA-188.



Dutch F-16 fighter planes have participated in the Baltic Air Policing operation. In the second half of October, a Dutch navy unit consisting of a submarine, frigate, patrol vessel, and two support vessels will visit Estonia.

Ja yleisemmällä tasolla: http://www.army-technology.com/feat...stern-european-vehicle-modernisation-4387406/

Russian aggression spurs Eastern European vehicle modernisation
2 October 2014 Grant Turnbull
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Recent geopolitical events triggered by Russia have led many European countries to think again about their military capabilities - that's particularly true for those in Eastern Europe which were once allied to Russia through the Warsaw Pact. Now, as members of NATO, countries such as Latvia, Lithuania and Poland are modernising their land forces to respond to this threat. But can they afford it and is it enough?

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During this year's NATO Summit held in Wales, the UK Government announced it will sell over 100 surplus armoured vehicles to the small Baltic state of Latvia. In a deal worth £39.4m (€49.4m), Britain will supply 123 second-hand vehicles to the Latvian Army. The vehicles should give Latvian soldiers better protection and provide other vital battlefield capabilities such as ambulances and recovery vehicles.

A hundred 1970s-era vehicles might not sound significant - especially in contrast to the UK's recent announcement that it would buy over 500 new Scout SV armoured vehicles worth £5.9m each - but in relative terms it is. Latvia's army is one of the smallest in Europe, numbering around 1,500, and has historically lacked any serious armoured capabilities. The government's build-up of an armoured vehicle fleet, albeit small, is a sign of shifting priorities in Eastern Europe.

Latvia is still affected by austerity politics, like the rest of Europe, but it has promised to increase defence spending from its current level of around 0.9% of GDP to 2% by 2020. Its total defence expenditure for 2012 was just €201m, with €19m spent on equipment procurement, which has left little room for any major defence acquisitions. With this budget, one of the lowest in NATO, Latvia would be able to afford three new Scout SV vehicles.

Modernising armoured vehicles in the Baltic states
The other two Baltic states, Estonia and Lithuania, have also publicly stated their intention to increase defence spending and invest in newer armoured capabilities. In July, the Lithuanian Ministry of Defence issued a request for information for new vehicles which would replace the army's existing armoured personnel carriers (APC). Lithuania currently operates 224 M113 APCs, which have limited offensive capabilities, as part of a mechanised infantry brigade.

Under modernisation plans, Lithuania is seeking a wheeled Infantry Fighting Vehicle (IFV) to replace its APC fleet. According to IHS Jane's, the vehicles would fulfil an APC role but also be able to engage both armour and personnel. The vehicles will have a 25mm or bigger automatic cannon, 7.62mm coaxial gun and a turret which could integrate anti-tank guided missiles. A contract for the new vehicles could be placed as early as next year.

End of an icon: the rise and fall of the Humvee
For nearly 30 years the Humvee has been the workhorse of militaries across the globe.

Lithuania, like its neighbour Latvia, has vowed to increase defence spending in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea. It is also committed to spending 2% of its GDP on defence by 2020 and has already increased its budget by 20% since 2013. But in absolute terms, this will still be small when compared to other NATO states. For example, Lithuania's GDP roughly equates to what Britain spends on defence alone - around €42bn - which will present challenges for modernisation.

The last of the three Baltic states, Estonia, already spends 2% of its GDP on defence and is one of only four countries in NATO which regularly maintains this. As set out in its National Defence Development Plan (NDDP), published last year, Estonia is planning to equip its 6,000-strong army with modern IFVs and APCs. In September 2013, it was revealed that the Netherlands was planning to sell 44 CV90 IFVs to Estonia for an undisclosed sum.

Tellingly, the NDDP also states the need for 'heavy armoured manoeuvre capability' - military speak for tanks - for the Estonian army. The MoD says a decision on procuring tanks will not be made until 2016 and, even then, would probably not achieve full operational capability until the mid 2020s.

Poland - the most ambitious moderniser
Out of all the former Warsaw Pact countries, the most ambitious land modernisation efforts are being carried out by Poland. Unlike other NATO countries, Poland has progressively increased its defence spending over the last few years which has been driven by a legal obligation to spend 1.95% of its GDP on defence. The government has earmarked €34bn over the next ten years for a number of defence modernisation programmes.

"Out of all the former Warsaw Pact countries, the most ambitious land modernisation efforts are being carried out by Poland."
With an annual defence budget of around €8bn, it outspends other Eastern European countries and already has a sizeable fleet of tanks and armoured vehicles. The problem for the Polish armed forces is that many of these vehicles are former Soviet machines, procured when Poland was still in Russia's sphere of influence. This includes the antiquated T-72 main battle tank and BMP-1 armoured fighting vehicle.

In November 2013, the Polish Government announced it had bought 119 Leopard main battle tanks from Germany as part of modernisation efforts. The batch included 14 2A4 and 105 2A5 variants, with the delivery of the latter variant beginning in May this year. These new tanks supplement 128 existing Leopard 2A4s, which were bought from the German Army in 2002, and are thought to have 15 years of service life remaining until major upgrades are required.

As part of modernisation and initiatives to strengthen Poland's defence industrial base, government-owned company Wojskowe Zaklady Mechaniczne (WZM) has resumed production of its Rosomak 8x8, a domestically built vehicle under license from Patria. The Polish military ordered an additional 307 vehicles last year, which will supplement the 690 Rosomak 8x8 vehicles already in service with mechanised brigades.

Bulgary, Hungaria and Romania - reducing Russian dependency
Other former Warsaw Pact countries still operating Soviet-era equipment will be taking note of Poland's modernisation. Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania still have significant inventories of Soviet tanks such as the T-55, T-72 and BMP armoured fighting vehicles.

Out of the three, Romania enjoys the biggest defence budget at €1.6bn but, according to the European Defence Agency, that is only 1.24% of its GDP. Earlier this year, the Romanian Government said it would increase its defence spending by an additional €155m in response to the Ukraine crisis and continuing Russian aggression. That money will be used to upgrade existing capabilities, rather than buy completely new equipment.

Rise of the Red Dragon – 2013’s biggest military spenders
A total of $1.7 trillion was spent on defence in 2013, the year in which China surpassed Russia.

Bulgaria, which joined NATO in 2004, has announced similar modernisation initiatives and an increase in defence funding, all with the aim of reducing its dependency on Russian weapons and components by 2020. But with annual defence spending around €500m, as of 2012, and a weak economy, circumstances have seriously dented this effort. For the foreseeable future, it looks like the country will continue with its fleet of Soviet-built armoured vehicles.

Hungary also has a substantial fleet of Soviet BTR-80 8x8 armoured vehicles which are the mainstay of its ground forces.

Russia's annexation of Crimea earlier this year and its continued destabilisation of Ukraine will be a huge concern for policymakers in all the former Warsaw Pact countries. Each one has stated its intentions to increase defence spending and several have begun initiatives to modernise their armoured capabilities. Unlike their western NATO allies, this is given greater prominence because of their geographical locations close to Russia's border. The question is whether modernisation plans and new equipment programmes will be enough to deter a repeat of Crimea in another part of Europe.
 
Viroon 350 superohjusta Yhdysvalloista
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eilen klo 19:10(päivitetty eilen klo 20:26)
Yhdysvallat myy Virolle 350 FGM-148-panssarintorjuntaohjusta. Ohjus tunnetaan nimellä Javelin.

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    Amerikkalaissotilas ampuu Javelin-ohjuksen.

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Ohjuskaupan hinnaksi tulee 55 miljoonaa dollaria eli noin 43 miljoonaa euroa. Se käsittää ohjusten lisäksi 120 laukaisuyksikköä.

Yhdysvaltojen ulkoministeriö hyväksyi kaupan maanantaina.

Yhdysvaltojen puolustusministeriöntiedotteen mukaan Yhdysvallat auttaa kaupalla Nato-kumppaniaan parantamaan turvallisuuttaan. Kauppa ei sen mukaan muuta alueen sotilaallista tasapainoa.

"Ehdotettu kauppa parantaa Viron kykyä vastata nykyisiin ja tuleviin uhkiin sekä turvata kriittinen infrastruktuurinsa", Yhdysvaltojen puolustusministeriö toteaa.

Javelin on 1990-luvun puolivälissä käyttöön otettu kehittynyt itseohjautuva panssarintorjuntaohjus. Yhdysvaltojen asevoimat on käyttänyt sitä menestyksekkäästi muun muassa Irakissa ja Afganistanissa.
 
Javelin-hankinta on aika mielenkiintoinen: 120 laukaisinta ja 350 ohjusta 55 miljoonan dollarin hintaan. Yllättävän halpaa, kun miettii, että Norja osti kymmenen vuotta sitten 90 laukaisinta ja 526 ohjusta 86 miljoonan dollarin hintaan. Jos laukaisin ja ohjukset oletetaan saman hintaisiksi, tulee yhden laukaisimen/ohjuksen hinnaksi n. 140 000 dollaria Norjan tapauksessa ja Viron tapauksessa n. 117 000 dollaria. Vaikka laukaisin olisi ohjusta halvempi, on hintaero mielestäni merkittävä otettaessa huomioon inflaatio ja sotamateriaalin hinnan nousu. Mahtaako tuohon kauppasummaan kuulua mahdollinen FMF-rahoitus?[/URL]
 
Javelin-hankinta on aika mielenkiintoinen: 120 laukaisinta ja 350 ohjusta 55 miljoonan dollarin hintaan. Yllättävän halpaa, kun miettii, että Norja osti kymmenen vuotta sitten 90 laukaisinta ja 526 ohjusta 86 miljoonan dollarin hintaan. Jos laukaisin ja ohjukset oletetaan saman hintaisiksi, tulee yhden laukaisimen/ohjuksen hinnaksi n. 140 000 dollaria Norjan tapauksessa ja Viron tapauksessa n. 117 000 dollaria. Vaikka laukaisin olisi ohjusta halvempi, on hintaero mielestäni merkittävä otettaessa huomioon inflaatio ja sotamateriaalin hinnan nousu. Mahtaako tuohon kauppasummaan kuulua mahdollinen FMF-rahoitus?[/URL]

Kymmenen vuotta sitten jenkit varusti vissiin vielä omia joukkojaan ja samalla sotivat sotaa, eikä niillä tainnut olla oikein muitakaan aseita millä tehdä reikiä seiniin, yms. Eli tuo hinta on voinut johtua kysynnästäkin. Nyt taas kysyntä on vähäisempää, ja tuo viron kauppa pitää tuotantolinjaa auki.

Anyway. Useat lähteet mainitsevat javelin ohjuksen hinnaksi n. 50K$ Mutta se on jenkkien omille hankinnoille se hinta.
 
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Näin on. Kuulemma koska Latviassa on tstpsv;jen harjoitusalue valmiina, puna-armeijan peruja. Tietääkseni osa Abramseista meni myös Puolaan. Saatan olla väärässä.
Et ole väärässä. TSTPSV:t meni Latviaan ja Puolaan. Pelkästään kevyempää PS-kalustoa on Virossa ja Liettuassa. Latviassa on meneillään harjoitukset, joissa on mukana mm. Norjan Telemark Battalionista 190 sotilasta kalustonaan mm, CV9030N.
 
eikä niillä tainnut olla oikein muitakaan aseita millä tehdä reikiä seiniin

Anteeksi nyt, mutta eiköhän AT4 ja M72 ole sopivampia välineitä väkivaltaiseen sisäänmenoon? Eri asia on toki, jos pitää tuhota kilometrin päässä savimajassa piileskelevä tarkka-ampuja.
 
Anteeksi nyt, mutta eiköhän AT4 ja M72 ole sopivampia välineitä väkivaltaiseen sisäänmenoon? Eri asia on toki, jos pitää tuhota kilometrin päässä savimajassa piileskelevä tarkka-ampuja.

AT-4:ia ei usein ollut käsillä, ilmeisesti suuren kysynnän takia ja eikös jenkit palauttaneet M72:n käyttöön vasta sodan ollessa käynnissä? Ja sitten on tosiaankin tuo tarkka-ampujien savustaminen.
 
AT-4:ia ei usein ollut käsillä, ilmeisesti suuren kysynnän takia ja eikös jenkit palauttaneet M72:n käyttöön vasta sodan ollessa käynnissä? Ja sitten on tosiaankin tuo tarkka-ampujien savustaminen.

Nyt saat antaa tiukkaa ja konkreettista lähdettä tuolle, että Javelin olisi saatavilla yhtään paremmin kuin AT4, jos haluat saada minut uskomaan sen. Jo järjen pitäisi sanoa, että kertasinko on monta kertaluokkaa halvempi, nopeampi ja yksinkertaisempi valmistettava. Olisi siis hyvin erikoista, mikäli kertasinkotuotanto olisi niin riittämätöntä, ettei sen kääntäminen täydelle teholle riitä, vaan myös panssarintorjuntaohjusten tuotantolinja pitää laittaa työskentelemään kolmessa vuorossa.

Wikipedian mukaan AT4 kertasinkoja on tuotettu yli 600 000, ja ase on ollut palveluksesta vuodesta 1987. Javelinin tuotantomäärää en löytänyt, mutta sitä on tuotettu vuodesta 1996. Valistuneen arvaukseni mukaan tuontantomäärä liikkuu kymmenissä tuhansissa.

M72: voi olla, ettei se ollut käytössä heti 2001. Joka tapauksessa AT4 oli. Sinällään on kyllä mielenkiintoista pohtia, onko tuolla ollut merkitystä aseen kehitykselle. Olisiko voinut käydä niin, että ilman terrorismisotia AT4 olisi käytännössä syrjäyttänyt M72:n voittokulullaan etenkin Yhdysvalloissa, mikä olisi vaikuttanut M72:n kehitystyöhön ja kenties myös muissa maissa tehtyihin hankintapäätöksiin? Jos kaikki kehitystyö olisikin sitten kohdistunut AT4:n, meillä saattaisi olla nyt 84 KES 12...

Kuinka vain, ilmeisesti puolustustarvikkeidenkin hinta määräytyy kysynnän ja tarjonnan mukaan.
 
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