Vaikka ollaankin demokratia, niin aika monessa asiassa joutuvat kansalaiset luottamaan päättäjien arvostelukykyyn. Ei ole aikaa eikä koulutusta ottaa kantaa monimutkaiseen tekniseen kysymykseen, kuten ydinvoiman turvallisuuteen. Tai käytössä ei ole kaikkia asiaan vaikuttavia tietoja, kuten turvallisuuspoliittisissa kysymyksissä. Mitä NATO-kannatukseen tulee, niin suurinta tämä kannatuss on ryhmässä, jolla on sota-asioista sanomalehden lukijaa enemmän tietoa eli aktiivi ja evp-upseereilla.
Euroopan unionin yhteisen puolustuksen rakentaminen
- Viestiketjun aloittaja Huhta
- Aloitus PVM
Tämäntyylistä se pakkaa olla alalla kuin alalla. Esim kulttuuriväki kannattaa Guggenheimia ja "kansa" ei.
Tuohan on aivan selvää että sotaväki kannattaa Natoa. Ytimiin pitää päästä hinnalla millä hyvällä.
Tämän takia demokratia on äärettömän hieno juttu,kun yksi "ryhmä" ei pääse päättämään "omia" asioitaan. Varsinkin kun kyse on näinkin suuresta asiasta kuin NATO, jossa väistämättä tulee myöskin velvollisuuksia.
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Suomen agendaa.
Tietenkin, sehän kuuluu demokratian luonteeseen. Mutta jos ei ole tietoa, niin voi syntyä huonoja päätöksiä. Kansanäänestys ei olisi vahvistanut sen paremmin talvisodan rauhaa kun YYA-sopimustakaan. Ja kun ei tietoa ole niin todellisuudessa saatetaan äänestää jostain muusta, kuten vaikka hallituksen suosiosta. Jos epäsuosittu PM juha Sipilä olisi järkännyt kansaäänestyksen EU:sta niin mekin olisimme ehkä matkalla sieltä ulos.
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Mikään hallitusmuoto ei suojaa huonoilta päätöksiltä. Eikä tieto takaa oikeaa päätöstä varsinkaan yhteiskunnallisissa kysymyksissä jossa monesti on vaikea sanoa mikä edes on oikein tai väärin.
Sori, mutta oli pakko hieman puolustaa suoraa demokratiaa
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Digikartat ja sekoäly.
HALin paluu.
HALin paluu.
Rauhantekijä
Greatest Leader
Jollain tavalla muutosta pitää tapahtua. Esimerkki vaikka Iranin ja Saudin suunnalta osoittaa jonkinlaista vaikeutta liittolaisten puolustamisessa, eli yksinomaan USA/NATO linjalta ei ehkä tule takeita joka paikkaan. Jos on lännellä vaikeeta suojata liittolaisia niin hyvä kun saisi suojattua edes itsensä.
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Piiputtavat aseet.
Globaalissa ja blokkiutuvassa maailmassa Euroopan täytyy nostaa tietyt hallinnonalat unionitasolle, jotta sana painaa ja kuuluu – sisämarkkinat, ulkopolitiikka ja yhteinen (ydin)pelote.
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Työnjaon hahmottelua.
Natolle kollektiivinen sotilaallinen puolustus, EU:lle poliisin ja rajaviranomaisten yhteistyö.
EU:n varusteluyhteistyö: kansallisten suorituskykyjen kehittäminen ja teknologinen kilpailu.
Natolle kollektiivinen sotilaallinen puolustus, EU:lle poliisin ja rajaviranomaisten yhteistyö.
EU:n varusteluyhteistyö: kansallisten suorituskykyjen kehittäminen ja teknologinen kilpailu.
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Turkin hihassa toistaiseksi - mutta kuinka kauan?
https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/turkkiin-sijoitetut-50-ydinpommia-hermostuttavat-usassa/
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Onko suomea kiristetty?
EU Plan To Boost Space Industry Draws White House Ire
Scott Pace, executive director of the National Space Council, warned the EU about its plan for promoting homegrown industry -- ironically, while speaking at an Atlantic Council event on the need for improved transatlantic relations in space.
WASHINGTON: Scott Pace, executive director of the National Space Council, issued a thinly veiled warning last night about a new European plan to boost the continent’s space industry.
Stressing the need for transatlantic cooperation on space in face of growing threats, Pace subtly urged the EU not to set up space development and procurement projects that would block non-EU NATO allies and the US from participating. Despite his use of diplomatic code, the implicit warning was clear: don’t do this or the Trump Administration will need to react.
https://breakingdefense.com/2019/10/eu-plan-to-boost-space-industry-draws-white-house-ire/
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Twistaaja.
The Council of the European Union approved the Twister multi-role interceptor project that should be implemented within the framework of the Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO). The program, regrouping five European countries, aims at countering the emerging threat of hypersonic weapons.
The Twister (Timely Warning and interception with Space-based monitoring Theater) is an ambitious concept of an endo-atmospheric interceptor able to handle emerging threats such as “manoeuvring ballistic missiles with intermediate ranges, hypersonic or high-supersonic cruise missiles, hypersonic gliders, and more conventional targets such as next-generation fighter aircraft,” according to its manufacturer, the European defense expert MBDA.
The program regroups Finland, the Netherlands, Spain, and Italy under the industrial leadership of France. The Twister responds to the emergence of hypersonic weapons being developed by other world powers, such as the Russian Zircon and Kinzhal missiles or the Chinese DF-ZF.
https://www.aerotime.aero/clement.charpentreau/24197-mbda-twister-missile-interceptor-receives-european-green-light
The TWISTER missile is endo-atmospheric, meaning it needs to breathe relatively dense air and its sensors can handle the heat of air friction. That places it in roughly the same class as the U.S. Navy’s SM-2 missile interceptor and the U.S. Army’s Patriot and limits the munition to hitting incoming rockets while they’re no higher than around 150,000 or 200,000 feet.
Exo-atmospheric interceptors such as the Navy’s SM-3 and the Army’s Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system can hit rockets as high as 300,000 feet.
MDMA wants to equip both sea- and land-based launch systems with the TWISTER interceptor.
“This new endo-atmospheric interceptor will address a wide range of threats including, manoeuvring ballistic missiles with intermediate ranges, hypersonic or high-supersonic cruise missiles, hypersonic gliders and more conventional targets such as next-generation fighter aircraft,” MDMA stated.
https://news.yahoo.com/europe-getting-own-missile-killer-070000101.html
The Twister (Timely Warning and interception with Space-based monitoring Theater) is an ambitious concept of an endo-atmospheric interceptor able to handle emerging threats such as “manoeuvring ballistic missiles with intermediate ranges, hypersonic or high-supersonic cruise missiles, hypersonic gliders, and more conventional targets such as next-generation fighter aircraft,” according to its manufacturer, the European defense expert MBDA.
The program regroups Finland, the Netherlands, Spain, and Italy under the industrial leadership of France. The Twister responds to the emergence of hypersonic weapons being developed by other world powers, such as the Russian Zircon and Kinzhal missiles or the Chinese DF-ZF.
https://www.aerotime.aero/clement.charpentreau/24197-mbda-twister-missile-interceptor-receives-european-green-light
The TWISTER missile is endo-atmospheric, meaning it needs to breathe relatively dense air and its sensors can handle the heat of air friction. That places it in roughly the same class as the U.S. Navy’s SM-2 missile interceptor and the U.S. Army’s Patriot and limits the munition to hitting incoming rockets while they’re no higher than around 150,000 or 200,000 feet.
Exo-atmospheric interceptors such as the Navy’s SM-3 and the Army’s Terminal High Altitude Area Defense system can hit rockets as high as 300,000 feet.
MDMA wants to equip both sea- and land-based launch systems with the TWISTER interceptor.
“This new endo-atmospheric interceptor will address a wide range of threats including, manoeuvring ballistic missiles with intermediate ranges, hypersonic or high-supersonic cruise missiles, hypersonic gliders and more conventional targets such as next-generation fighter aircraft,” MDMA stated.
https://news.yahoo.com/europe-getting-own-missile-killer-070000101.html
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Suomi supistaa puolustusbudjettia yli 50%.
https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/nakokulma-suomen-eu-budjettiehdotus-tyrmattiin-suorasanaisesti/
EU:n koheesiorahastoissa ja maataloustuissa on leikattavaa huomattavasti enemmän.
https://www.verkkouutiset.fi/nakokulma-suomen-eu-budjettiehdotus-tyrmattiin-suorasanaisesti/
EU:n koheesiorahastoissa ja maataloustuissa on leikattavaa huomattavasti enemmän.
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European Military Space: EU Pursuing Space-Based Early Warning, PNT, And SSA Projects Under PESCO Initiative - SpaceWatch.Global
The European Union's (EU) Permanent Structured Cooperation (PESCO) defence technology initiative ann
spacewatch.global
Europeans to develop anti-missile solution to counter emerging threats
13/11/2019 Fabrice Wolf
Among the new programs announced under PESCO, the European Union's structured cooperation program, the TWISTER program, for TIMELY WARNING AND INTERCEPTION WITH SPACE-BASED THEATER SURVEILLANCE, is undoubtedly the most ambitious from the technological point of view. Led by France, in cooperation with Finland, Italy, the Netherlands and Portugal, TWISTER aims to develop an anti-missile solution intended to counter so-called emerging threats, namely threats which cannot be dealt with today by existing anti-missile systems, so as to provide a European basis for the ballistic missile defense program of NATO.
We have repeatedly mentioned these emerging threats, whether they are missiles designed to evolve by defeating current interception standards, like the Iskander missile, hypersonic weapons like Kinzhal missiles, or the hypersonic atmospheric re-entry vehicles maneuvering, like the Russian Avangard, whose the first two copies are being installed. These weapons systems were designed to respond to the Anti-Missile Shield deployed by NATO, notably in Romania, Poland and on buildings in the North Sea, considered by Russia as a threat vis-à-vis the balance of deterrent forces (forgetting in passing that Russia, too, has developed and deployed many ballistic anti-missile technologies).
With the Kinzhal, Russia has a weapon carrying more than 2000 km and capable of penetrating Western anti-missile systems
The United States' monopoly on missile defense was recently undermined by the entry into service of the Aster 30 missile capable of intercepting short-range ballistic missiles, and by the forthcoming entry into service of the Aster Block1NT, designed to intercept missiles with an intermediate range of up to 1500 km. But the Aster, no more than the Patriot PAC-3, the THAAD, or the American SM3, is not capable of intercepting a missile like the Kinzhal, and even less a hypersonic vehicle like the Avangard.
United StatesAs Russia, and with the support of the latter, China, have started work to try to counter these emerging threats. It is therefore the turn of Europeans to embark on this path, with the company MBDA to direct the program, within PESCO, with the objective of entering service by 2030.
The American THAAD is today the main western ballistic missile defense system
After the program European Patrol Corvette, And the EAE electronic warfare program, the TWISTER program is the third large-scale program belonging to the 13 new programs announced by PESCO on November 12. Beyond the growing number of programs, it is above all the very scope of the programs, and their ambition, which demonstrates how quickly PESCO has managed to position itself as the central unifying element of European industrial cooperation. Not only does it facilitate financing, but it allows states which, up to now, have not been able to participate in ambitious programs like these, to join in and participate in their scale, to its development. In addition, it allows the development of inclusive approaches, as in the case of EPC. One could have reservations when it comes to the real chances of success of PESCO. It is clear that today, these reservations are, for the most part, lifted. Let us hope that the dynamic created will not be hampered by external disruptive elements, such as, for example, an excessive intrusion by Washington into European affairs.
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Une ydinasesateenvarjo, s'il vous plait!
Presidentti Macron ajaa Ranskan ydinasetta osaksi EU:n puolustusta
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Ne voisi hajasijoittaa semmoisiin maihin missä on armeija
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Kasvisruokavalio närästää ranskalaista.
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