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Juu sitkein yksittäinen vaunu oli juuri T-80 jossa laskettiin about 20 osumaa. :cool:

Sinällään ei mikään ihme, koska jo tuolloin useimmat vaunut oli tehty sietämään RPG-7:aa ainakin etusektorista ja naapurin vaunut myös sivulta, jos ERA laatat oli kunnossa.
 
Lähde: Panssari 1/1996

Olikos muuten kyseinen artikkeli nimeltään 'Tankkiteurastus Groznyssä' tai jotakin vastaavaa? Jos viitsit tarkastaa, kun oma artikkeli on hävinnyt, että mitä siellä mainittiin heikkoihin kohtiin osumisista. Oliko niin että 90% osumista löytyi heikoilta alueilta? vai menikö niin että vaunuista 90% tuhoutui osumasta heikoon kohtaan? Toveri @SJ kanssa on aiheesta väännetty. Saattoi olla kyllä joku toinenkin artikkeli kyseisestä taistelusta.

Kiiiitooos!!! :)
 
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J-P Laine ja P.Toveri: Panssarit taistelussa osa XXIII: Tankkiteurastus Groznyissa Panssari 1/1996 kirjoitti:
"HAVAINTOJA KAUPUNKITAISTELUSTA
Suurin yllätys venäläisille oli se, että tshetsheenit sijoittivat sinkoja myös talojen yläkerroksiin. Tshetsheenit tunsivat hyvin venäläisten panssarivaunujen panssaroinnin ja singoilla osattiin ampua vaunujen arkoihin kohtiin. Kutakin tuhottua vaunua kohti oli ammuttu keskimäärin 5-6-laukausta, jotka oli suunnattu vaunujen arkoihin kohtiin.
Katoille sijoitetuista tuliasemista ammuttiin tarkka-ampujamaisesti vaunumiehistöjen kansiluukkuihin, polttoainetankkeihin ja moottoriin. Esimerkiksi rivistön kärjessä ajavia taisteluvaunuja tulitettiin edestäpäin yläviistosta ajajien luukkuihin, koska vaunujen etusektori oli muuten täysin suojattu reaktiivipanssarilla.
Alemmista kerroksista tulitettiin tornin takaosaa, kansitankkeja ja BMP-vaunujen takaovine polttoainesäiliöitä. Kellarikerroksista tulitettiin alaviistosta taistelupanssarivaunujen sivupanssaria ja erityisesti telapyörien yläpuolista sivupanssaria.
T-72 ja T-80 vaunujen tehokkaista reaktiivipanssareista ei katutaisteluissa ollut juurikaan hyötyä. Ne oli sijoitettu torjumaan etusektorista vaakatasosta ammuttuja onteloammuksia ja ne suojasivat hyvin rungon ja tornin etuosan. Vaunut olivat kuitenkin alttiita ylhäältä ammutuille onteloraketeille. Sinkoampujien ammattitaitoa osittaakin se, että taistelupanssarivaunuihin osuneista singon laukauksista 98% oli osunut kohtiin missä ei ollut reaktiivipanssaria. Näissä kohdissa panssaroinnin paksuus oli vain 50-70mm, jolloin läpäisy oli varma.
Osalla vaunuista rektiivipanssarit oli lisäksi kaikessa kiireessä jätetty lataamatta rähähdysaineella, koska räjähdysaineita ei saanut pitää kiinni vaunuissa rauhan aikana. Tällöin reaktiivipanssareista ei ollut mitään hyötyä.
Lisätappioita aiheutti se, että osasta taisteluvaunuista puuttui telakoneiston suojana ollut kumilevy, johon oli T-80 vaunuissa lisäksi kiinnitetty reaktiivipanssarielementtejä. Sivulevyt oli tarkoitettu nimenomaan suojaamaan vaunun kylkipanssaria onteloammuksilta. Sivulevyt oli ilmeisesti jääneet varikolle tai taitamattomat ajajat olivat riipineet ne irti maastoajossa. Tällöin kellarikerroksista tulittavat sinkoampujat kykenivät ampumaan vapaasti taistelupanssarivaunujen heikkoa kylkipanssaria.
Erityisesti T-80 vaunut olivat alttiita kylkiosumille, koska vaunun automaattilataimessa kartussi seisoo pystysuorassa. Tällöin kyljen läpäissyt ontelosuihku yleensä sytytti jonkun kartusseista, jolloin koko vaunun ampumatarviketäyttö räjähti. Useita T-80 vaunuja menetettiin tällä tavoin. T-72 vaunussa kartussi on vaakasuorassa, jolloin sivusta tuleva ontelosuihku ei osunut siihen yhtä helposti. Yhtään T-72 vaunua ei menetetty katutaisteluissa kylkiosuman takia. Muuten tshetsheenit pitivät T-80:stä sitkeänä vaununa. erästäkin vaunua ammuttiin 18 kertaa ennen kun se saatiin tuhottua."

Ps. Kirjoitusvirheet minun huolimatonta kopiointia...
 
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Olikos muuten kyseinen artikkeli nimeltään 'Tankkiteurastus Groznyssä' tai jotakin vastaavaa? Jos viitsit tarkastaa, kun oma artikkeli on hävinnyt, että mitä siellä mainittiin heikkoihin kohtiin osumisista. Oliko niin että 90% osumista löytyi heikoilta alueilta? vai menikö niin että vaunuista 90% tuhoutui osumasta heikoon kohtaan? Toveri @SJ kanssa on aiheesta väännetty. Saattoi olla kyllä joku toinenkin artikkeli kyseisestä taistelusta.

Kiiiitooos!!! :)

Voidaanko tulkita, että muistissasi yhdistelit asioita hieman liikaa?

Muuten, löysin omasta jemmastani erään artikkelin, jossa ainakin käytetään samoja kuvia mitä oli siinä sinun aikaisemmassa linkissä. Siinä mainitaan näin: "The following illustrations have a grey area superimposed which shows the area where 90% of the lethal hits occurred."

Mainitsee myös näin: "Sixty-two tanks were destroyed in the first month's fighting in Chechnya. Over 98% (apparently 61 tanks) were knocked out by rounds which impacted in areas not protected by reactive armor." Eli, joku on tehnyt käännösvirheen.
 
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Ps. Kirjotusvirheet minun huolimatonta kopiointia...

KIIIITOS!!!

Tshetsheenit tunsivat hyvin venäläisten panssarivaunujen panssaroinnin ja singoilla osattiin ampua vaunujen arkoihin kohtiin. Kutakin tuhottua vaunua kohti oli ammuttu keskimäärin 5-6-laukausta, jotka oli suunnattu vaunujen arkoihin kohtiin.

Ei muisti sentään aivan seula ole, vaikka se huono onkin :cool: ... Eiku... Laukasten määrät muistelin yläkanttiin, 6-9 :(

Tai no, suunnattu arkoihiin kohtiin ei välttämättä tarkoita että on osunut arkoihin kohtiin... Debatti jatkukoon:)
 
KIIIITOS!!!



Ei muisti sentään aivan seula ole, vaikka se huono onkin :cool: ... Eiku... Laukasten määrät muistelin yläkanttiin, 6-9 :(

Tai no, suunnattu arkoihiin kohtiin ei välttämättä tarkoita että on osunut arkoihin kohtiin... Debatti jatkukoon:)

Voin laittaa sen edellisessä viestissäni mainitseman artikkelin emailiin, jos haluat, mutta se tosiaan sanoo, että "90% kuolettavista osumista". Muistaakseni se on juuri se mistä minä puhuin. Veikkaan, että sinä muistelit tuota 98% kohtaa, joka siis saattaa olla käännösvirhe tai jokin outo tulkinta.
 
Voin laittaa sen edellisessä viestissäni mainitseman artikkelin emailiin, jos haluat, mutta se tosiaan sanoo, että "90% kuolettavista osumista". Muistaakseni se on juuri se mistä minä puhuin. Veikkaan, että sinä muistelit tuota 98% kohtaa, joka siis saattaa olla käännösvirhe tai jokin outo tulkinta.

Ei tarvitse, kyllä minä uskon että noin se on. Tuo @CV9030FIN lainaus osoitti sen pointin joka minulla oli johtoajatuksena sen vänkäyksen aikana eli 5-6 (minun muistin mukaan 6-9) laukausta osunut/suunnattu vaunujen arkoihin paikkoihin per tuhottu vaunu. Jostakin siihen sen 90% sitten sotkin, ehkä toisesta samaa taistelua koskevasta artikkelista tai sitten aivopiereskelin sen prosenttilukeman ihan itse ilmoille. Saattoi jopa hyvinkin liittyä tuohon sinunkin lainaamaan kohtaa, en osaa sanoa.

Sillä prosenttilukemalla siis itsessään ei ole merkitystä meikäläiselle. Minun alkuperäisen vänkäysnäkökohdan mukaan kyseessä oli osoitus sinkomiesten hyvästä ammunnan tarkkuudesta (eli että 90% osumista vaunujen arkoissa paikoissa), mutta siis tuossa myönnän virheeni. Tosin hampaat irvessä! Murr! :camo:
 
Ei tarvitse, kyllä minä uskon että noin se on. Tuo @CV9030FIN lainaus osoitti sen pointin joka minulla oli johtoajatuksena sen vänkäyksen aikana eli 5-6 (minun muistin mukaan 6-9) laukausta osunut/suunnattu vaunujen arkoihin paikkoihin per tuhottu vaunu. Jostakin siihen sen 90% sitten sotkin, ehkä toisesta samaa taistelua koskevasta artikkelista tai sitten aivopiereskelin sen prosenttilukeman ihan itse ilmoille. Saattoi jopa hyvinkin liittyä tuohon sinunkin lainaamaan kohtaa, en osaa sanoa.

Sillä prosenttilukemalla siis itsessään ei ole merkitystä meikäläiselle. Minun alkuperäisen vänkäysnäkökohdan mukaan kyseessä oli osoitus sinkomiesten hyvästä ammunnan tarkkuudesta (eli että 90% osumista vaunujen arkoissa paikoissa), mutta siis tuossa myönnän virheeni. Tosin hampaat irvessä! Murr! :camo:

Ei tartte oikeastaan myöntää. Ei ole tietoa, että kumpi lähde on oikeassa.
 
KASI-simulaattorin KES ja APILAS aseissa ei tarvi huomioida etäisyyttä kohteeseen, koska lasersäde ei omaa kaarevaa lentorataa.

KASI-järjestelmän PST-aseet simuloivat ammuksen oikeaa lentorataa, eli vaativat oikean etäisyyden ja ennakon. Perustuu hyrriin ja useampaan lasermittaukseen. Hinta pompsahtaakin sitten useampaan kymmeneen tuhanteen euroon.
 
KASI-järjestelmän PST-aseet simuloivat ammuksen oikeaa lentorataa, eli vaativat oikean etäisyyden ja ennakon. Perustuu hyrriin ja useampaan lasermittaukseen. Hinta pompsahtaakin sitten useampaan kymmeneen tuhanteen euroon.
Juu näin on ainakin toistaiseksi. Perustuu 2-tie lasertekniikkaan eli sinko taistelukoulutustilassa juttelee älykkään maalin kanssa ja laskee niin tuhoamis/vaurioittamis todennäköisyyksiä suojan mallinnukseen liittyen sekä simuloi lentoradan. Ampumakoulutustilassa ei simuloida tuhoamista /vaurioita vaan aseeseen palaa havainto osumasta joka näytetään palautteena. Eipä hinnaksi taida ihan kymppitonnit riittää kappaleelta, siksi tulevaisuudessa kaikki KES-simut eivät välttämättä ole samanlaisia ja mallinna lentoratoja oikein vaan osa voi olla yksinkertaisempia 1-tiesimulaattoreita ilman lentoratamallinnusta, jotka ovat halvempia.
 
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Tässä muutama kysymys pst-ohjus tietäjille.


Kun vertaillaan TOW ja Spike pst-ohjuksia keskenään, niin mitkä ovat ohjusten hyvät ja huonot puolet? Olen lukenut ettei Spiken läpäisykyky ei ole ihan TOWin luokkaa jos joudutaan tilanteeseen jossa ohjus ammutaan suoraan edestäpäin vaunuun ns normaaliin tapaan.

Toinen kysymys: Onko markkinoilla pst-ohjuksia joita haluaisitte nähdä puolustusvoimien käytössä?
 
Tässä muutama kysymys pst-ohjus tietäjille.


Kun vertaillaan TOW ja Spike pst-ohjuksia keskenään, niin mitkä ovat ohjusten hyvät ja huonot puolet? Olen lukenut ettei Spiken läpäisykyky ei ole ihan TOWin luokkaa jos joudutaan tilanteeseen jossa ohjus ammutaan suoraan edestäpäin vaunuun ns normaaliin tapaan.

Toinen kysymys: Onko markkinoilla pst-ohjuksia joita haluaisitte nähdä puolustusvoimien käytössä?

TOW: Kantama ehkä. Jos Spike kantaa 4 kilsaa (ne meillä olevat), niin sitten TOW ei oikein pärjää. En pidä TOW:n nimellistä läpäisyetua merkityksellisenä, kun tarkoitus olisi kuitenkin käyttää koviin vaunuihin niitä kattoon iskeviä ohjuksia.

Ja se ohjus jonka haluaisin nähdä meidän käytössä on Spike NLOS. Jotakin millä sekä kurkata mäen taakse ja samalla rikkoa sieltä löytyvät tankit ja sellaiset.
 
MMP (Missile Moyenne Portée- Medium Range Missile), France
MMP (Missile Moyenne Portée- Medium Range Missile) is a new generation surface attack missile system designed for the French Army. The MMP development programme was initiated by MBDA Systems in 2009, to replace France's Milan wire-guided anti-tank missile.

The entire MMP development programme is funded by MBDA, and is scheduled to be completed by 2017.

The MMP is a lightweight man-portable missile that can be installed on tracked and wheeled vehicles. It offers enhanced preciseness and considerable automation in striking targets. It is capable of destroying both stationary and moving targets.

MMP development and production history
Sagem was selected for the development and production of firing post and infrared seeker for the MMP in June 2010.

In December 2011, the French Direction Générale de l'Armement (DGA) awarded a risk reduction contract to MBDA. The contract is to confirm the technical options behind the critical equipment involved in the missile, and its firing post.

"The MMP is a lightweight man-portable missile that can be installed on tracked and wheeled vehicles."
MBDA began the MMP integration trials for the French Army under the risk reduction contract in June 2013. The full-rate production contract of the missile is expected to be awarded in 2014.

MBDA carried out several tests on the MMP on a variety of surfaces to confirm the restricted space-firing capability of the missile. This capability ensures the safety of the missile system operator.

The capability of the MMP's warhead to strike against a new generation of explosive reactive armour was also tested by MBDA. The company has also validated MMP's firing post ergonomics and architecture.

Nexter is currently studying regarding the provision for integrating the MMP on the CT-40 canon turret.

Warhead and design features of MMP
The MMP is designed to reduce the collateral damage risk. The missile is equipped with rapid reaction capability to respond quickly. It is capable of destroying new generation main battle tanks (MBTs).

The missile is designed to have a maximum range of 4,000m. It has an overall length of 13m, diameter of 0.14m, and weight of 15kg (inclusive of tube).

The MMP missile is network centric warfare (NCW)-compatible. The fire and forget mode of the missile will help to reduce fire-control burden. The man controlling the loop and lock-on after launch (LOAL) modes improves the precision strike capability of the missile, which can even be fired from inside a building. The firing sequence of the MMP is rapidly repeatable.

" The fire and forget mode of the missile will help to reduce fire-control burden."
The MMP is installed with a multi-purpose tandem warhead. The warhead can penetrate 1,000mm of rolled homogeneous armour (RHA), and 2,000mm of concrete.

MMP firing unit details
The MMP comes with a completely digitalised firing unit. The firing unit is fitted with a latest generation Band 2 infrared (IR) and also includes a day camera and laser range finder. It is also equipped with a GPS and magnetic compass for direction and guidance.

The firing unit weighs approximately 11kg (including tripod and battery). It works as an autonomous unit when installed with battery, but can be connected to an external power source if required.

Sensors on MMP
The MMP is installed with a dual mode seeker (infrared and optical) to guide it towards the target. The missile is fitted with Micro Electro Mechanical Systems (MEMS) and inertial measurement unit (IMU) for calculating and reporting its velocity and direction.

The laser range finder aboard the missile allows precise determination of the distance of the target. The missile is controlled by using the real-time data link.

Propulsion system on MMP
The MMP is powered by a two stage propulsion system.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mmp-medium-range-missile/


TOW 2 Wire-Guided Anti-Tank Missile, United States of America
The BGM-71 TOW wire-guided heavy anti-tank missile is produced by Raytheon Systems Company. The weapon is used in anti-armour, anti-bunker, anti-fortification and anti-amphibious landing roles. TOW is in service with over 40 armed forces and is integrated on over 15,000 ground, vehicle and helicopter platforms worldwide.

TOW 2 missile system development
The TOW missile system has been in service since 1970 with more than 650,000 missiles produced. Current production versions are: TOW 2A (BGM-71E), which entered production in 1987 with over 118,000 missiles delivered; TOW 2B (BGM-71F), which entered production in 1991 with over 40,000 missiles delivered and is designed to complement rather than replace TOW 2A; TOW 2B Aero; and TOW 2A bunker buster (BGM-71H).

A production contract for the new extended-range TOW 2B Aero was awarded by the US Army in February 2004. The contract was for 976 missiles, delivered by December 2006. A US Army contract for more than 2,700 TOW 2B and TOW 2B Aero missiles (including practice rounds) was placed in July 2004. TOW 2B Aero with ITAS has been selected for the US Marine Corps' next-generation AAWS-H (anti-armour weapon system-heavy) programme.

The TOW 2 missile system was deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom, which constituted the first operational firing of the TOW 2B missile.

TOW 2 missile orders and deliveries
"TOW 2 is used in anti-armour, anti-bunker, anti-fortification and anti-amphibious landing roles."
In August 2005, Kuwait requested the sale of 436 (292 TOW 2A, 144 TOW 2B) TOW missiles.

In September 2006, the US Army placed the first production contract, with five one-year options, for the new TOW 2B RF missile, a wireless version.

In October 2007, the US Congress was notified of the proposed sale of 2000 TOW 2A missiles to Pakistan and 2000 TOW 2A missiles to Israel.

In November 2007, Canada placed an order for 462 TOW 2A RF bunker buster missiles, the first export order for this missile variant.

In January 2008, Kuwait requested the sale of 2,106 TOW 2A RF and 1,404 TOW 2B RF missiles.

In September 2008, Egypt requested the sale of 6,900 TOW 2A missiles to replace its ageing inventory.

In July 2010, the US government placed a $55m contract with Raytheon to deliver TOW missiles to Saudi Arabia under a foreign military sales agreement.

Raytheon Technical Services received a $77.9m contract in March 2012 to deliver logistics and engineering support for subsystems and related equipment of the US Army TOW missiles.

In October 2012, Raytheon was awarded a $349m five-year contract to deliver 6,676 new wireless TOW missiles to the US military.

TOW 2 vehicle and air-mounted missile systems
The missiles can be fired from the ground using a tripod-mounted launch tube or installed on vehicles. The TOW missile system can be fitted as a single-tube pedestal mount on military vehicles or as two-tube or four-tube under-armour systems on vehicles such as the improved TOW vehicle M901, Desert Warrior, Piranha, US Marine Corps LAV, Dardo Hitfist andBradley M2/M3.

Airborne TOW is in service in more than 13 countries. Over 2,100 units have been delivered and helicopters fitted with the TOW missile include theAgustaWestland Lynx, AgustaWestland A129, Bell Textron 206L, UH-1 Huey, Hughes 500MD helicopter, Eurocopter Bo 105 and Bell Textron AH-1 Cobra attack helicopter.

TOW anti-armour missile
The missile has command to line-of-sight guidance. The weapons operator uses a telescopic sight to view a point on the target and then fires the missile. The missile has a two-stage ATK (Alliant Techsystems) solid propellant rocket motor. The operator continues to view and track the target through the sight. Guidance signals from the guidance computer are transmitted along two wires, which spool from the back of the missile to the control system on the missile. The Chandler Evans CACS-2 control system uses differential piston type actuators.

"The TOW missiles can be fired from the ground using a tripod-mounted launch tube."
TOW missile warheads are supplied by Aerojet of Sacramento, California, with production facilities in Socorro, New Mexico.

The missile is fitted with a high-intensity thermal beacon, which provides a long-wave infrared tracking source and a xenon beacon for short-wave tracking. This dual-tracking system provides increased resistance to electro-optical and infrared countermeasures.

TOW 2A anti-tank missile
For penetration of tanks protected with explosive reactive armour (ERA), TOW 2A is equipped with a tandem warhead. A small disrupter charge detonates the reactive armour and allows the main shaped charge to penetrate the main armour.

TOW 2A bunker buster missile
A 'bunker buster' variant of the TOW 2A, to defeat field fortifications, bunkers and urban structures, has been developed and fielded by the US Army. The TOW 2A bunker buster has a range of 3,750m. It is scheduled to arm the US Army's anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) variant of the Stryker combat vehicle family.

TOW 2B anti-tank missile
TOW 2B, operates in a 'flyover shoot down' top attack mode, unlike other versions which are direct attack. It features a dual-mode target sensor designed by Thales (formerly Thomson-Thorn) Missile Electronics, which includes laser profilometer and magnetic sensor, and new warhead section, produced by Aerojet.

"The TOW 2 missile system was deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom."
It resembles the TOW 2A but without the extendible probe, and is armed with two explosively formed tantalum penetrator (EFP) warheads. The EFP warheads detonate simultaneously, one pointing downwards, the other slightly offset to give an increased hit probability. The warhead material is designed to generate pyrophoric effects within the damaged target.

TOW 2B Aero anti-tank missile
An extended range TOW 2B missile, TOW 2B Aero, has a range of 4.5km, which is achieved in only a few seconds longer than the flight time of TOW 2B to 3.75km.

Two modifications are made to the TOW 2B. A longer wire is required for the longer range and a new aerodynamic nose has been fitted to allow stable, controllable flight to the extended range, while using the current propulsion system.

TOW 2B RF anti-tank missile
Another development of the TOW 2B Aero, the wireless TOW 2B RF is in production. TOW 2B RF is modified with a one-way, stealthy radio-frequency command link which dispenses with the wire link and gives a range of 4.5km. The system is compatible with current launchers.

ITAS improved target acquisition system
In 1999, Raytheon Company was awarded a US Army full rate production contract for the TOW improved target acquisition system (ITAS) for the HMMWV launcher and the ground mounted TOW. ITAS uses a thermal imager based on a standard advanced dewar assembly (SADA II) focal plane array, eyesafe laser rangefinder, and a gunner-aided target tracker. ITAS improves target recognition range performance and hit probability.

"The TOW missile has command to line-of-sight guidance."
Between 1999 and 2003, the US Army procured 709 ITAS systems.

In April 2005, a contract for the resumption of system production was awarded. The system has been fielded in Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. ITAS has also been bought by Canada for new LAV III vehicles armed with TOW missiles.

TOW FF fire-and-forget missile
In September 2000, the US Army awarded an EMD (engineering and manufacturing development) contract for a wireless TOW fire and forget missile to Raytheon Systems Company. However the US Army cancelled the project in 2002.

TOW FF was to have an advanced imaging infrared staring focal plane array seeker.

Elevated TOW anti-tank missile
An elevated TOW system (ETS) has been developed by an international consortium consisting of Raytheon, GM Delco, Indra of Spain, and E.Falck Schmidt of Denmark.

The system, based on a Danish M113 armoured personnel carrier, uses an elevating mast fitted with a pod containing a lightweight launcher and four TOW launch tubes. In August 1999, the ETS successfully completed demonstration firing tests at the Danish Army Training Centre in Denmark.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tow/

Javelin Portable Anti-Tank Missile, United States of America
Javelin is a portable anti-tank weapon, supplied by Raytheon / Lockheed Martin Javelin joint venture. It is shoulder-fired and can also be installed on tracked, wheeled or amphibious vehicles.

In 1989, the US Army awarded a contract for the development of Javelin as a replacement for the M47 Dragon anti-tank missile. The Javelin joint venture was formed by Texas Instruments (now Raytheon Missile Systems) of Dallas, Texas and Lockheed Martin Electronics and Missiles (now Missiles and Fire Control), of Orlando, Florida.

Raytheon is responsible for the command launch unit (CLU), missile guidance electronic unit, system software and system engineering management. Lockheed Martin is responsible for the missile seeker, missile engineering and assembly.

Javelin entered full-rate production in 1994 and the systems were first deployed in June 1996 by the US Army at Fort Benning, Georgia.

"Javelin is a shoulder-fired, portable anti-tank weapon."
The Javelin system saw operational service with the US Army and Marine Corps and Australian Special Forces during Operation Iraqi Freedom in March / April 2003 and is currently deployed in Afghanistan. The CLU is also being used in surveillance operations. The standalone mode usage of CLU was proved to be effective in target detection and battle field reconnaissance when it was deployed in Afghanistan and Iraq. More than 2,000 rounds have been fired by the US and coalition forces.

The missile achieved a higher range of 4,750m during a demonstration in February 2013.

Javelin procured for light forces anti-tank guided weapon system (LFATGWS)
In January 2003, the UK Ministry of Defence announced that it had decided to procure Javelin for the light forces anti-tank guided weapon system (LFATGWS) requirement. The initial order was for 18 launchers and 144 missiles. Javelin replaced the Milan system and entered service with British Army in July 2005.

Javelin equips the army's rapid reaction forces, including 16 air assault brigade, three commando brigade and mechanised infantry. BAE Systems and a number of other UK companies are providing subsystems for the missiles. In October 2004, a further order was placed, to equip the armoured infantry and formation reconnaissance forces from 2007, replacing the Swingfire ATGW.

Javelin anti-tank missile orders and deliveries
Over 25,000 missiles have been produced and over 6,600 command launch units sold to the US Army and Marine Corps. Javelin has also been selected by Taiwan (60 launchers and 360 missiles), Lithuania, Jordan (30 launchers and 110 missiles), Australia (up to 92 systems and 600 missiles), New Zealand (24 launchers, delivered in June 2006), Norway (90 launchers and 526 missiles, delivery from 2006) and Ireland.

In June 2004, the Czech Republic signed a Letter of Agreement (LOA) with the US government to provide the Javelin system. In November 2004, the United Arab Emirates requested the foreign military sale (FMS) of 100 Javelin launchers and 1,000 missile rounds. In June 2006, Oman requested the FMS of 30 launchers and 250 missiles. In July 2006, Bahrain requested the FMS of 60 launchers and 180 missiles. Contracts for the supply of the missile system to UAE and Oman were placed in July 2008. In October 2008, Taiwan requested the sale of an additional 182 missile and 20 launchers.

Six more nations are considering deployment of the Javelin system. Canada has also been authorised to make such a purchase, but has not pursued the option to date. India has also proposed purchasing Javelin system through the FMS route and is expected to issue a letter of request (LoR) to the US Government. The LoR will include procurement of third generation anti-tank guided missile along with transfer of technology. The final number of Javelin systems is yet to be decided, but may run into thousands. France ordered 260 missiles and 76 launchers for $69m.

Production of the block 1 missile began in 2006. Successful qualification firings took place in January 2007.

In December 2008, the Javelin JV was awarded a contract to upgrade 404 block 0 command launch units to block 1 configuration.

"The Javelin anti-armour missile is autonomously guided to the target, leaving the gunner free to reposition or reload immediately."
In July 2009, the Javelin JV was awarded a five-year, $298.6m support contract for the Javelin anti-tank missile and command launch unit. According to the contract, the US Army will be provided with repair support, depot spares, training and data. The JV received another contract from the US Army in October 2009 for the production of the Javelin close combat weapon system. The $214m contract includes the Javelin missile, CLUs, training and field support.

The Javelin JV received a $176m contract in December 2009 from the UK Ministry of Defence for over 1,300 Javelin missile rounds and related engineering support. The delivery of the missiles began in 2010 and will carry on through 2012.

The US Army awarded a $309m contract to the Javelin JV in August 2010 to produce Javelin missile-firing systems for infantry troops. The first Javelin missile was fired from the Common Remote Operations Weapon Station II (CROWS II) mounted on a Stryker IFV in December 2010.

Qatar has also requested for the FMS of 500 Javelin guided missiles in March 2013, according to the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

Javelin anti-armour missile
The Javelin system consists of the CLU and the round. The CLU, with a carry weight of 6.4kg, incorporates a passive target acquisition and fire control unit with an integrated day sight and a thermal imaging sight.

The sight uses DRS Technologies second-generation thermal imaging technology, based on the standard advanced Dewar assembly (SADA IIIA). The company also provides the quieter, dual-opposed piston coolers for the sight.

The gunner's controls for the missile system are on the CLU. The day sight is equipped with x4 magnification and the night sight with x4 and x9 magnification optics.

The round consists of the Javelin missile and the ATK (Alliant Techsystems) launch tube assembly. The range of the missile is 2,500m. Javelin is a fire-and-forget missile with lock-on before launch and automatic self-guidance.

The missile is equipped with an imaging infrared seeker which is based on a cadmium mercury telluride (CdHgTe) 64 x 64 staring focal plane array in the 8 to 12 micron waveband. BAE Systems Avionics is providing the infrared seekers for the British Army's missiles.

The tandem warhead is fitted with two shaped charges: a precursor warhead to initiate explosive reactive armour and a main warhead to penetrate base armour. The propulsion system is a two-stage solid propellant design which provides a minimum smoke soft launch.

The block 1 missile upgrade includes an improved rocket motor that reduces time of flight, an enhanced warhead effective against a greater range of targets, 2,500m of improved probability of hit / kills and improvements to the command launch unit and software. In 2008, the improved block 1 missile full materiel release was received and the US Army has stockpiled the first production lots. Other improvements include a digital display, software processing enhancement and remote view of the gunner display in an RS-170 standard video format. The future Javelin will have fragmentation for anti-personnel effects and a multipurpose warhead (MPWH) with shaped charges for armoured vehicles.

Javelin missile system operation
The system is deployed and ready to fire in less than 30 seconds and the reload time is less than 20 seconds. The missile is mounted on the CLU and the gunner engages the target using the sight on the CLU, by placing a curser box over the image of the target. The gunner locks on the automatic target tracker in the missile by sending a lock-on-before-launch command to the missile. When the system is locked-on, the missile is ready to fire and the gunner does not carry out post launch tracking or missile guidance.

"The Javelin system is deployed and ready to fire in less than 30 seconds and the reload time is less than 20 seconds."
Unlike conventional wire guided, fibre-optic cable guided, or laser beam riding missiles, Javelin is autonomously guided to the target after launch, leaving the gunner free to reposition or reload immediately after launch.

A soft launch ejects the missile from the launch tube to give a low-recoil shoulder launch. The soft launch enables firing from inside buildings or covered positions. Once the missile is clear, the larger propellant in the second stage is ignited and the missile is propelled towards the target. The weapon has two attack modes, direct or top attack.

The gunner selects direct attack mode to engage covered targets, bunkers, buildings and helicopters.

The top attack mode is selected against tanks, in which case the Javelin climbs above and strikes down on the target to penetrate the roof of the tank where there is the least armour protection.

The missile is launched at an 18° elevation angle to reach a peak altitude of 150m in top attack mode and 50m in direct fire mode.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/javelin/


Spike Anti-Tank Missile, Israel
Rafael, based in Haifa, Israel, manufactures the Spike family of anti-armour weapons. The weapons are lightweight fire-and-forget anti-tank missiles and use electro-optical and fibre-optic technologies. The systems are used by infantry soldiers, special rapid reaction forces, ground forces and helicopter aircrew.

Spike anti-tank missile family
The Spike family includes: Spike-SR with a range of 800m, Spike-MR (Gill) with range of 2,500m, Spike-LR with 4,000m range and Spike-ER (formerly known as NTD Dandy) with a range of 8,000m. Spike-LR and Spike-ER can also be fitted on light combat vehicles and a package for mounting Spike-ER on helicopters is also available. The Spike missile system is currently in production and in service with the Israeli, Dutch, Chilean, Colombian, Finnish, German, Polish, Italian, Peruvian, Spanish and Singaporean armed forces.

Spike anti-tank missile orders and deliveries
In October 2003, the IDF awarded a production contract for Spike C4I, the Spike-ER system fitted with networking capability. The Spike launcher will be fitted with a variant of the Azimuth Comet global positioning system (GPS), laptop computer and VHF datalink.

In June 2004, a joint venture company, Eurospike, was formed by Rafael with Rheinmetall Defence Electronics (formerly STN Atlas Elektronik) and Diehl Munitionssysteme (DMS). This followed a cooperation agreement signed by the three companies in November 1998. Eurospike GmbH is the prime contractor for the Spike family of missiles in Europe.

In May 2000, the Finnish Army selected the Spike-MR system to meet its requirement for a medium-range anti-tank missile system. Rheinmetall DeTec will produce the launchers, Diehl the munition and Rheinmetall the warhead.

In August 2001, the Dutch Ministry of Defence ordered the Spike-MR (Gill) missile system to replace the Dragon missile of the Royal Netherlands Army and Marine Corps. Rafael is the prime contractor, with Rheinmetall, Diehl and Thales Nederland (formerly Signaal) the major subcontractors.

"The Spike anti-armour missile has four rectangular fins for aerodynamic control."
In January 2004, Poland signed a contract with ZM Mesko for the purchase of the Spike-LR missile system. ZM Mesko manufactured elements of the missiles and began final assembly in 2006. The requirement is for 264 tripod launchers and 2,675 missiles. Deliveries began in November 2004 and conclude in 2013. Poland also requires 160 systems to be integrated on the Oto Melara HITFIST 30 turret mounted on Patria armoured modular vehicles. The system is also being trialled by the Romanian Army.

In December 2006, the government of Spain placed an order for 260 launchers and 2,600 Spike-LR missiles, to replace Milan and Dragon missiles. General Dynamics Santa Barbara has signed a contract with Rafael for local production of the missiles. Deliveries began in 2009 and scheduled to conclude in 2014.

In January 2008, Spain placed an order for Spike-ER missiles to equip the 24 Tiger HAD attack helicopters on order from Eurocopter.

In December 2008, PSM and the German Ministry of Defence signed a contract to integrate the Spike missile system on the Puma armoured infantry fighting vehicle being developed for the German Army.

Spike anti-tank missile system
Spike-MR and Spike-LR have the same firing post. The firing post consists of the command launch Unit (CLU), the thermal imaging sight and a tripod.

The system is made ready to fire in less than 30 seconds. The soldier acquires the target and lays the crosshairs of the sight on the aim point on the target using either the day sight with a 10× magnification and 5° field of view or the clip-on thermal imaging night sight with wide and narrow fields of view.

In fire-and-forget mode, the soldier activates the missile, locking the tracker on the target and pushes the fire button to launch. The missile automatically propels itself towards the target without any additional interaction and this fire-and-forget capability allows the soldier the option of relocating to a new firing position or to reload immediately for the next engagement. Reloading takes less than 15 seconds.

After launch the missile follows a lofted trajectory and as it approaches the target it dives down to impact the target. The lofted trajectory and the tandem high explosive warhead enables the missile to penetrate tanks equipped with explosive reactive armour (ERA).

Anti-armour missile
The missile has four rectangular fins for aerodynamic control at the rear, and four wings at just over halfway from nose to tail on the length of the body. They unfold as the missile leaves the launch canister.

The guidance system in the nose of the Spike missile comprises a charge-coupled device (CCD) and imaging infrared (IIR) seeker. The imaging infrared provides higher sensitivity and improved thermal background rejection characteristics for all weather day and night operation.

Spike-MR (Gill) medium-range anti-armour missile
Spike-MR, the medium-range version, is a portable fire-and-forget anti-armour missile system with a range up to 2.5km. It can have the option of the additional fire, observe and update mode of operation if required.

"Spike can penetrate tanks equipped with ERA."
Spike-LR long-range anti-armour missile
Spike-LR is a portable anti-armour weapon system with a range of up to 4km, which can be operated in fire-and-forget mode and in fire, observe and update mode using the fibre-optic data link.

Spike-LR is equipped with a fibre-optic data link guidance system, which sends commands to the missile from the launch system and receives, into the gunner's field of view, images from the seeker. The gunner can update his aim point while the missile is in flight using the fibre-optic link. As well as update target information, the datalink allows the gunner to switch targets and also receive real-time intelligence and perform battle damage assessment. The Spike system can work in non line-of-sight (NLOS) mode allowing the gunner to operate from a covered position.

Spike-LR, which can also be installed on light combat vehicles, can be used to engage tanks, armoured vehicles, hardened shelters and low flying slow targets such as helicopters.

Spike-ER extended-range anti-armour missile
The extended-range (8km) version, Spike-ER, also has a larger warhead. It is designed for mounting on light combat vehicles but can also be removed and fitted onto a tripod. The vehicle package includes the missile in its canister, a remotely controlled turret with target acquisition system and electronics and gunner's station with multifunction display, control panel and handgrip.

A bi-directional fibre-optic datalink provides Spike-ER with a fire and steer mode, in addition to the other two modes. This means that the gunner does not need to lock-on to the target before launch, but can choose the target after launch and steer the missile to the target's most vulnerable point or hand over to fire-and-forget.

"The extended-range (8km) version,
Spike-ER, has
a larger warhead."
Rafael has developed a version of Spike-ER with a penetration, blast and fragmentation (PBF) warhead which only explodes after penetration of the target (e.g. a wall), minimising collateral damage.

A Spike-ER launcher has been developed for helicopters. The four-round launcher requires no modifications to the helicopter, other than software integration. It can be fitted to a variety of helicopters, including AH-64 Apache (which can carry 16 missiles), AH-1S Cobra, A-129, MD-500, Mi-24 and others.

Spike NLOS non-line of sight missile
The Spike NLOS is a multi-platform electro-optical attack missile that can be fired from land, air and naval platforms. The missile can hit the non-line of sight (NLOS) targets within the range of 25km. Equipped with a range of warheads and RF communication, Spike NLOS can be deployed in offensive and defensive scenarios.

Mantis fast attack vehicle mounted Spike-LR
A prototype of the Spike-LR missile mounted on a Marvin ITV-1 4×4 all-terrain vehicle has been built by Rafael. The system is called Mantis and consists of six Spike-LR missiles with the Rafael Spike C3I system and reconnaissance sensors, including CCD day camera, thermal imager, laser rangefinder and GPS.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/gill/


Kornet-EM Anti-Tank Guided Missile System, Russia
The Kornet-EM is a multi-purpose anti tank guided missile system designed and manufactured by KBP Instrument Design Bureau. The long-range missile system was unveiled at the Moscow Airshow (MAKS) in August 2011. The system was also demonstrated at the Russian Arms Expo (RAE) in September 2013.
The missile system is designed to destroy advanced and modern tanks fitted with explosive reactive armour, light-armoured vehicles and fortifications. It can also engage surface-level marine and low-speed aerial targets at ranges between 150m and 10,000m.
Kornet-EM missile system design and features

The Kornet-EM missile system is an upgraded version of the Kornet anti tank missile system. The new system is designed to penetrate explosive reactive armour from 1,100mm to 1,300mm and offers high immunity against jamming.
It can fire three missiles including the 9?133?-2 antitank guided missile, 9?133F?-2 guided missile and 9?133F?-3 guided missile.
The twin Kornet-EM salvo firing unit mounted on the vehicle's platform carries an ammunition load of 16 pieces, including eight ready-to-fire missiles.
"The new system is designed to penetrate explosive reactive armour."
Launcher variants of Kornet-EM

The Kornet-EM is available in two configurations, which include an automatic launcher for deployment on carriers and a transportable launcher for combat operations under different environmental conditions.
The automatic launcher is controlled by an automatic and laser beam riding guidance system. It is fitted with high resolution cameras and third generation thermal imaging sight. Each launcher module weighs 75.2kg.
The automatic launcher can lay missiles at an azimuth angle of ±180° and elevations between -5° and +45° for ranges between 200m and 15,000m. It engages the targets automatically and can perform salvo firing at two targets simultaneously.
The Kornet-EM system can also destroy armoured targets equipped with explosive reactor armour (ERA), by firing two missiles in a single beam. The system can be deployed on various carriers with small loading capacity.
Kornet-EM portable-transportable launcher

The portable-transportable launcher of the Kornet-EM can be installed on wheeled and tracked vehicles. It can fire at an azimuth of 360° and elevation ranging from -5° to +20°.
"The Kornet-EM system can also destroy armoured targets equipped with explosive reactor armour."
A sighting channel with variable magnification of 12? to 20? is fitted to the Kornet-EM portable-transportable launcher to increase the range of target detection and reduce sighting errors. The system also features a laser beam riding guidance system.
The launcher weighs 26kg, while the thermal imaging sight weighs 8.7kg. The thermal imaging sight design is based on the matrix photo-detector design equipped with thermal enclosure system. The thermal imaging sight can continuously operate for approximately 1.5 hours and can be cooled in just seven minutes. It uses the power generated by the battery.
Details of the Kornet-EM missiles

The 9?133?-2 antitank guided missile travels at a speed of 300m/s and can be fired against targets ranging between 150m and 8,000m. The missile weighs 31kg including the 1,210mm long container. The missile can penetrate into armour with thicknesses between 1,100m and 1,300mm.
The 9?133F?-2 guided missile weighs 31kg and has a 1,210mm long container. The missile travels at a speed of 300m/s and can reach a maximum distance of 8,000m. The explosive force of the missile is 10kg TNT equivalent.
The 9?133F?-2 guided missile weighs 33kg and has an explosive force of 7kg TNT equivalent. The maximum speed and range of the missile are 320m/s and 10,000m respectively.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/kornet-em-anti-tank-guided-missile-system/


MBT LAW Light Anti-Tank Weapon
The Main Battle Tank and Light Armour Weapon, MBT LAW, developed by Saab Bofors Dynamics, was selected in May 2002 for the UK Army next-generation light anti-tank weapon (NLAW). The portable, short range, fire-and-forget system will enter service in 2009 to replace the British Army's existing Insys LAW-80 system that is reaching the end of its operational life. Deliveries began in mid 2009.
The development is a joint venture between Sweden and the UK, and the UK MoD Defence Procurement Agency will procure the systems for Sweden. It has been estimated that the UK requirement may be for up to 20,000 systems for the UK Army, Royal Marines and Royal Air Force Regiment.
"The MBT LAW is a portable, short-range, fire-and-forget system."
In December 2005, the Swedish government also awarded a contract to Saab Bofors for the series production and delivery of the NLAW, to be designated RB (Robot) 57 in the Swedish forces. Deliveries began in 2009. The systems are manufactured in the UK.
In December 2007, Finland placed an order for an undisclosed number of NLAW systems. An additional (undisclosed) number were ordered in December 2008.
MBT LAW anti-tank missile system development

Both launcher and missile development are carried out at Saab Bofors Dynamics facilities at Eskilstuna and Karlskoga in Sweden using the expertise gained on anti-armour systems such as the Carl-Gustaf system, the AT4 CS confined spaces weapon and the Bill anti-tank missile.
Thales Air Defence is the major UK partner, leading Team MBT LAW which includes 14 UK subcontractors for the manufacture of the weapon system. Final assembly and test is carried out at the Thales Air Defence facilities in Belfast.
The missile's inertial measurement unit is manufactured by BAE Systems at Plymouth. BAE Systems has constructed a new semiconductor facility at Plymouth to manufacture the silicon rate sensors within the IMU. The new facility duplicates the production line at BAE Systems' joint venture company, Silicon Sensing Systems, in Japan where the sensors are in mass production.
"The LBT LAW will replace the British Army's existing Insys LAW-80 system."
FR-HiTEMP, Titchfield, is responsible for the manufacture of the control fins and actuators. Raytheon Systems Limited, Glenrothes, and Thales Missile Electronics, Basingstoke, manufacture electronics assemblies and the proximity fuse. National Plastics Aerospace, Coventry, is responsible for the plastic and composite mouldings. Skeldings, Smethwick, manufacture the system's special purpose springs.
Express Engineering of Gateshead, Portsmouth Aviation, EPS Logistics Technology, Leafield Engineering of Bristol and Metalweb in Birmingham are also major partners in the MBT LAW consortium.
MBT LAW anti-tank weapon information

The soldier can bring the missile system from the carry position to the firing position and make it ready to fire in under five seconds. The soldier discards the launcher after firing and can retain the night sight if needed.
The 115/150mm calibre launcher is of composite material construction. The launcher is fitted with the gunner's optical sight, a foldaway launch device, handles and firing mechanism, battery package, carrying straps and a firing support. A mounting rail attached to the launcher is for attaching any night sight.
Operation

The gunner can break off and start up a combat sequence any number of times. The missile can be deployed at targets at ranges down to 20m and to over 600m. The missile can also be launched immediately without tracking when an unexpected target appears.
The MBT LAW has a soft launch and can be fired from confined spaces such as from inside buildings and vehicle hatches, and from all positions and angles up to ±45°. The flight time to a 400m range is less than two seconds. The initial muzzle velocity is 40m/s. The maximum missile velocity is below the speed of sound.
Guidance system

In the predicted line-of-sight (PLOS) mode, the gunner tracks the target for three seconds and the missile's guidance electronics makes a record of the gunner's movement as he aims and computes the flight path to the predicted position of the target.
"After launch the missile flies autonomously to the target."
It is unnecessary for the gunner to consider the range or angular speed of the target. After launch the missile flies autonomously to the target. The missile's position in its trajectory always coincides with the target irrespective of range.
Modes of operation

The soldier selects top attack mode to engage tanks and armoured vehicles in order to strike the least armoured area on the vehicle's roof. In the overfly top attack (OTA) mode, the missile flies at about 1m above the line of sight. The missile's sensor initiates the warhead above the roof of the target.
The soldier can select the direct attack (DA) mode to engage light vehicles, buildings and bunkers. In direct attack mode the missile flies directly along the line of sight towards the target. The missile fuse system is disconnected and the warhead detonates upon impact, after a short delay.
Warhead characteristics

The missile has an active magnetic and optical sensor activated proximity fuse. The sensor data is analysed to match the known relevant target criteria before warhead initiation. The missile warhead is activated even against aluminium targets and partially concealed targets.
In conventional overflight missiles a keyhole effect resulting in reduced penetration into the target is caused by a shaped charge jet which develops during the missile flight. The MBT LAW warhead, similar to the BILL 2 missile warhead, incorporates a dynamically compensated shaped and copper lined charge to retain the penetration characteristics. The charge is 102mm in diameter.
Training package

The training package for the UK MoD includes drill rounds, an indoor trainer, a laser-based short-range and field trainer, a weapons effect simulator, dummy rounds and an ammunition technical officer's (ATO) training package.
"The training package for the UK MoD includes drill rounds."
An indoor trainer (IDT) is for use in a dismounted close combat trainer (DCCT), both systems being supplied and manufactured by FATS Ltd Lincoln, UK and Atlanta, USA. The laser-based short-range and field trainer (SR&FT) supplied by Thales Air Defence Systems includes the common weapon replica fitted with NOPTEL laser technology.
The weapon effect simulator (WES) which also uses the common weapon replica, is based on the technology of Saab Training Systems' BT 46 laser simulator used to simulate the weapon characteristics of a number of weapon systems. It is used for force-on-force training in the British Army's tactical effect simulator exercises (TESEX) for example on the UK MoD training grounds at Salisbury plain.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mbt_law/


MILAN ADT-ER
MILAN ADT-ER is the latest development of the combat-proven MILAN weapon system that has already been selected by over 40 customers around the world.
Experience gained from recent conflicts has highlighted the need for a mobile weapon system featuring the versatility and lethality to engage various types of static and moving targets in both urban and open terrains. Today’s requirements are for a weapon that combines lethality and precision and the ability to address all the threats confronted on the battlefield, from the most heavily armed moving tank to alternative targets such as fortifications and infrastructures. Based on the concept of Semi Automatic Command to Line Of Sight (SACLOS) with permanent Man In The Loop (MITL) the weapon system MILAN ADT-ER complies with the increasingly complex rules of engagement under which regular forces are required to operate.
The MILAN ADT firing post has an integrated thermal imager with a video output which allows remote operation. With two missiles, the ADT weighs less than 45kg. The first guided firing of the missile took place in May 2006. The first test of the complete system, firing post and missile, took place in October 2006. The ADT firing post was qualified by the DGA in January 2007 followed by a successful series of evaluation trials completed in March 2007. In December 2006, South Africa placed the first export order for the MILAN ADT firing post with MILAN 3 missiles. In August 2007, EADS confirmed reports that Libya is to place an order for the MILAN ADT/ER. A contract is expected to be signed in 2008. The MILAN ER missile has a range extended to 3,000m and a new, multi-effect warhead which can penetrate 1,000mm Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) or Rolled Homogenous Armour (RHA), or more than 3m of reinforced concrete. A direct attack mode has been added as well as improved anti-jamming capability.
The firing post consists of a sighting system and a guidance assembly mounted on a tripod. The infrared localiser measures the angular deviation between the missile and the line of sight to the target. The transmission of guidance data by wire and the new MILAN 3 CCD localiser provide jamming resistance.
Variants :
Aucune
Type of weapons
Anti-tank weapon system
Factory
EADS MBDA Missile Systems France
Users
2 soldiers
Accessories
Integrated thermal imager, azimuth indicator.
Weight Missile
13 kg
Caliber
115 mm
Weight Firing Post
21 kg
Range
3000 m
 
TOW: Kantama ehkä. Jos Spike kantaa 4 kilsaa (ne meillä olevat), niin sitten TOW ei oikein pärjää. En pidä TOW:n nimellistä läpäisyetua merkityksellisenä, kun tarkoitus olisi kuitenkin käyttää koviin vaunuihin niitä kattoon iskeviä ohjuksia.

Ja se ohjus jonka haluaisin nähdä meidän käytössä on Spike NLOS. Jotakin millä sekä kurkata mäen taakse ja samalla rikkoa sieltä löytyvät tankit ja sellaiset.

Eikös meillä ole maavoimissa Spike-MR? Se menee 2500 metriä luullakseni. Merivoimissa sitten Spike-ER. Tuo 4000 metriä taitaa olla LR:n kantama.

Spiken tärkeimmät edut TOW:iin verrattuna on varmaankin

1) Ammu ja unohda - kyky -> ampuja ei ole alttiina vastatoimille joutuessaan lankaohjaamaan ohjusta koko lennon ajan (ja vältytään riskiltä että homma menee reisille kun kuparipiuha sotkeutuu johonkin risukkoon)

sekä

2) Yläkautta iskeminen.

EDIT: Puolustusvoimat kertoo että ohjusten kantama on sittenkin 4 km aivan kuten SJ sanoi, eli Spike voittaa TOW:n myös kantaman suhteen. Toisin sanoen TOW:N eduksi ei taida jäädä yhtään mitään.

Lähde kantamatiedolle: http://www.puolustusvoimat.fi/porta...9nQSEh/?pcid=c7dad3004914c290a1cfe930a8ea04e8
 
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Molempia asejärjestelmiä käyttäneenä voisin sanoa että:
TOW: hyvä 3750m kantama mutta vanhentuneet optiikat ja ammunnanhallintajärjestelmät, päivitettynä hyvä peli. Vaatii myös ajoneuvoasennuksen jotta olisi tehokas (ohjus-teka). Läpäisy kelpoluokkaa, varsinkin jos MB ohjuksia. Miinusta myös että pitää ohjata maaliin.

Spike: ketterämpi ja pienempi mutta häviää MR ohjuksilla kantamassa, läpäisy samalla tasolla TOWin kanssa. Fire&forget tavasta etua verrattuna TOW sekä maalin vaihto ja esteiden taakse ampuminen. Teknisempi ja häiriöherkempi luolamies-tasoiseen TOWiin nähden ja vaatii pienemmän miehistön operoimaan.

Meikäläisen valinta olisi päivitetty TOW järjestelmä ohjus-tekassa tai jossain hiluxiin pultattuna MB ohjuksilla, mutta taitaa haaveiluksi jäädä.
 
Onhan TOW nykyään tarjolla langattomanakin versiona. Tiedä sitten kuinka helpolla tuota häiritään, oletan kuitenkin että ovat suunnitteluvaiheessa ottaneet tuollaiset asiat huomioon.


Olisikohan mahdollista pultata Sisun katolla nähty TOW torni ällitällin katolle? Muistaakseni siinä virityksessä oli neljä laukaisuvalmista ohjusta.
 
En usko että yksikään PST-ampuja ottaisi TOWia jos pitäisi valita TOWin ja SPIKEn välillä.
Molempia asejärjestelmiä käyttäneenä voisin sanoa että:
TOW: hyvä 3750m kantama mutta vanhentuneet optiikat ja ammunnanhallintajärjestelmät, päivitettynä hyvä peli. Vaatii myös ajoneuvoasennuksen jotta olisi tehokas (ohjus-teka). Läpäisy kelpoluokkaa, varsinkin jos MB ohjuksia. Miinusta myös että pitää ohjata maaliin.

Spike: ketterämpi ja pienempi mutta häviää MR ohjuksilla kantamassa, läpäisy samalla tasolla TOWin kanssa. Fire&forget tavasta etua verrattuna TOW sekä maalin vaihto ja esteiden taakse ampuminen. Teknisempi ja häiriöherkempi luolamies-tasoiseen TOWiin nähden ja vaatii pienemmän miehistön operoimaan.

Meikäläisen valinta olisi päivitetty TOW järjestelmä ohjus-tekassa tai jossain hiluxiin pultattuna MB ohjuksilla, mutta taitaa haaveiluksi jäädä.

Jos puhutaan PVn käytössä olevista laitteista ja atarvikkeista niin vastaappa kahteen kysymykseen

Mitkä ovat TOW ampujan mahdollisuudet käyttää maksimi kantamaa (maasto, optiikka huomioiden)?
Mitkä ovat TOW ampujan mahdollisuudet ampua esim alle 800 metrin etäisyydelle (vihollisen vastatoimet, laitteiston paino)?
 
Maasto: riippuu paljolti missäpäin suomea taistelee, lapissa on kyllä vaaroja joista pääsee 2500-3500 etäisyyksille ja voi eteläsuomessakin pelto-aukeita olla sitä kokoluokkaa. Korpimetsissä on vähän turha olla. Optiikka taas tuo siinä hommaa alas koska sillä pienellä suurennuksella ei tihrusteta sitä vaunua max. ametilla saatika suttuisella lämpökamerakuvalla..

500-800 metriä taas on jo vähän turhankin lähellä oleva etäisyys varsinkin jos nopeaa irtaantumisreittiä tai tukevia osia ei ole, ensimmäinen puikko kyllä todennäköisesti osuu mutta sitten tuleekin vastapalloon, TOW on kankeampi jos lähellä jo vaunut pyörii.

Edit. Ja tuon minun TOW valintani olisi tosiaan kaunis haave, mutta mitä nyt PVeellä on tarjottavana niin spike..
 
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Maasto: riippuu paljolti missäpäin suomea taistelee, lapissa on kyllä vaaroja joista pääsee 2500-3500 etäisyyksille ja voi eteläsuomessakin pelto-aukeita olla sitä kokoluokkaa. Korpimetsissä on vähän turha olla. Optiikka taas tuo siinä hommaa alas koska sillä pienellä suurennuksella ei tihrusteta sitä vaunua max. ametilla saatika suttuisella lämpökamerakuvalla..

500-800 metriä taas on jo vähän turhankin lähellä oleva etäisyys varsinkin jos nopeaa irtaantumisreittiä tai tukevia osia ei ole, ensimmäinen puikko kyllä todennäköisesti osuu mutta sitten tuleekin vastapalloon, TOW on kankeampi jos lähellä jo vaunut pyörii.

Edit. Ja tuon minun TOW valintani olisi tosiaan kaunis haave, mutta mitä nyt PVeellä on tarjottavana niin spike..

Niin tota juuri hain. Eli TOWilla tehokas toiminta vaatii kyllä todella hyvän ja kokeneen miehistön ja ne tilanteet joissa TOW olisi parempi kuin Spike ovat kyllä aika vähissä. Optiikka ongelmaahan ei Spikessä sinänsä ole koska vaikka maali olisi hankala seurata max kantamalta niin ohjuksen omalla IIR-hakupäällä homma onnistuu ohjuksen lentäessä lähemmäs maalia.

Mutta niinkauan kun a-tarvike on kuranttia TOWit kannattaa pitää varastoissa.
 
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