Panssarivaunut

Joo, mutta ei puhdas sellainen koska t14 voi myös saada kohteita datalinkin kautta. Miten hyvin tuo linkki on suojattu on kysymys mihin en osaa vastata.

Jos T14 ei itse voi nähdä maalia, kuinka se voisi vaikuttaa pääaseellaan siihen?
Monilla länsimailla on käytössään digitaalinen tietojärjestelmä, jossa esim. lennokin havaitsema maali voidaan lisätä järjestelmään ja kaikki järjestelmässä olevat näkevät sen sijainnin. Järjestelmä mahdollistaa vihollisen kiertämisen, tai esimerkiksi oikea-aikaisen puolustukseen asettumisen kohtaamistilanteessa.
 
Venäjän panssariaseen määriä hieman eriteltynä:

~ 350 T-90A
~ 250 T-80U
~ 1300 T-72B3 (tilattuna)
~ 200 T-72BA
~ 1,000 T-72B

~ 100 T-14 (tulossa joskus)
~ 300 T-80BVM (tulossa)

Hyvä erittely, kuinkahan moni noista liikkuu omin voimin, tai lämppärit toimii kunnolla?
Määrällisesti vaunuja on paljon, mutta niiden laatu on se kysymysmerkki.
 
Jos T14 ei itse voi nähdä maalia, kuinka se voisi vaikuttaa pääaseellaan siihen?

Se voi laittaa sen seurantaan vaikka ei voisi vaikuttaa. Samanlailla kuin lentokoneet voi nähdä monta maalia datavuon kautta kuten sanoit. Ei tuo kuitenkaan auta paljon t72sen väkeä. Ne on uhrilampaita.
 
Se voi laittaa sen seurantaan vaikka ei voisi vaikuttaa. Samanlailla kuin lentokoneet voi nähdä monta maalia datavuon kautta kuten sanoit. Ei tuo kuitenkaan auta paljon t72sen väkeä. Ne on uhrilampaita.
Kyllä, ns. Tökätä vaunun digitaaliseen karttaan, ei mitään uutta.
Komppania ei voisi kuitenkaan taistella kootusti, koska ilan järjestelmää olevat vaunut voivat vain seurata järjestelmässä olevia vaunuja. Neukuilla oli vastaava järjestelmä, kun vaunuradioira oli vain osassa vaunuista. Ei toiminut kovin hyvin.
 
Hyvä erittely, kuinkahan moni noista liikkuu omin voimin, tai lämppärit toimii kunnolla?
Määrällisesti vaunuja on paljon, mutta niiden laatu on se kysymysmerkki.

Military Balance 2018 (SIPRI) antaa kokonaisluvuksi riveissä oleville panssareille määräksi 2 780 kpl.

Taustaa näihin lukuihin:

So, according to the aforementioned report, there are now 12 armies (1 of them tank) and 4 army corps in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Naval Forces of the Navy. In the Western Military District (ZVO) of this number, 3 armies (1 GVTA, 20 GV OA, 6 OA) and 1 Corps (11 GV AK in the Kaliningrad Defense District), to the combined operational-strategic command "North" (Northern fleet) includes 14 AK on the Kola Peninsula, in the Southern Military District (SE) - 3 armies (8 Guards OA, 58 OA, 49 OA) and 1 Corps (22 AK in the Crimea), 2 in the Central Military District Army (2 Guards OA, 41 OA), in the Eastern Military District (VVO) - 4 armies (29 OA, 35 OA, 36 OA, 5 OA) and 1 Corps (68 AK in Sakhalin and Kuriles). As part of the 1st Guards Tank Army, the 4th Guards Tank and 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Divisions, the 6th Separate Tank Brigade, the 27th Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade (various formations and parts of army and corps kits do not count), totaling 675 ( 695) tanks, subject to the completion of the fourth regiments in 4 gv.td and 2 gv.m.dd, but while they are only being formed. In the 20 Guards Combined-Arms Army - 144 gv. and 435 (446) tanks, as long as the divisions are fully completed, but it is known that until the fourth pair of regiments there is only being formed in both divisions. However, it is possible that 144 gv. MTS will have not one tank regiment, but two - on the basis of a separate tank battalion a tank regiment is being formed, and meanwhile, the 228th TP in the division is already available.

In the north and north-west of the ZVO, in 6 OA there are only 2 motorized rifle brigades (138 and 25 OMBR), so there are 82 (84) tanks for the army, and the army general, small. On the other hand, in potential adversaries there is only a superpower of the Baltic states with three NATO battalions inside and yes Finland. True, it seems that in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, when forming divisions, they re-approach the issue in such a way that clearly in the end each army will have at least one MDA, so it is possible that in the next few years such a decision will also be possible in this case. In the Kaliningrad 11 Guards AK only two motorized rifle brigades (OMSBR), 7 Guards and 79 Guards, total 82 (84) tanks. In the nearby area of the 336th Guards Brigade of the Marine Corps of the Baltic Fleet, tanks have not yet appeared, but for sure in the next couple of years, first a company will appear, and then a battalion - a similar process is already under way in the Pacific Fleet. So far, no one has formed any divisions, but such a decision seems to be asking for in the future.

In total, we have 1275 (1305) tanks in the line of line connections, although in reality they are still fewer. If you add there the 14th AK from the USC "North", while there is definitely a tank battalion of 200 OMBR, it may or will be in the 80th Arctic OMBR, there are no tanks yet in 61 brigade of marines, but they will definitely appear soon. So far, we count 82 (84 tanks).

In the TSO, according to the same report, consisting of 2 Guards. OA now 3 motorized rifle brigades, under numbers 21, 15 and 30. But they are all different. 21 ombra from Totsky, seemingly, the only one in the RF Armed Forces (perhaps not), formed according to the so-called. "heavy state" with 2 tank and 2 motorized rifle battalions, it leaves 82 (84) tanks, but 15 ombrells is peacekeeping, the tank battalion in it, it seems, is absent, that up to 30 osmbr, newly formed to replace the seized after the war on Ukraine from this army units and formations (which became the basis for the formation of 144 MSD) - there is no information on its composition, except that in it the reconnaissance battalion on the Syrian tracks seems to have been put on various light vehicles, beginning with the Tigrov-M and ending with "Patriots". Probably the tank battalion is still there. In general, conditionally we will record for the army 123 (124) tanks. According to the same document, the newly formed 90 Guards Tank Division is a part of 41 OA (previously there were reports that it remained district subordination, who is right - it is not known), together with the 74th Guards. osmbr, 35 gv. omsbr and the 55th mountain brigade from Kyzyl in Tuva. Tanks in the Tuva "mountaineers" do not, they do not need them, but all the others have. There also includes 201 military base in Tajikistan, in which there are now three motorized rifle regiments, seemingly, tanks are everywhere. In total, a fairly strong fist in 534 (543) tanks, if all is correct, of course. Total for the CVO is 657 (667) machines.

In the VVO, in spite of 4 armies and corps, divisions, namely they are the most "rich" in heavy armored vehicles, have not yet been formed, but only for the time being. The army itself is far from being all that can be considered deployed, in a number of them the combined arms brigades are given by God 1-2 and with deployed brigades and regiments of the army kit. In general, this situation is understandable - China at the moment is not an enemy to us, but a friend and ally, and potential enemies are increasingly in Europe, in NATO. In all of these 4 armies and 1 corps, there are 10 motorized rifle brigades, 1 tank brigade and 18 machine-gun artillery division in the Kuriles (reinforced, but tank units are also present in it, without them), that is, about 600 tanks. In addition, in the Pacific Fleet, there are no tanks yet in the 155th Marine Brigade, but soon there will be a company deployed in the 40th Marine Corps Brigade, but it will be reorganized into a battalion, which we also count.

In the Southern Military District, there are now 42 gv in the 58 OA. mdd, 19 and 136 ombar, 4 Guards military base in South Ossetia. 42 Evpatoria division is now fully deployed, but according to researchers from the United States, there is no tank regiment in it or it is deployed. In total, 340 (350) machines are produced. In 49 OA, as many as 2 combined arms brigades, 205 and 34 mountain, in which tanks are not available. Where more interesting is the newly formed 8 Guards. OA, formed with a clear sight of the possible coercion to the world of various shrewd Cossacks with the territory neighboring the Donbass republics, who adore reasoning about how they "restrain Russian fascism" without forgetting, of course, shouting Nazi slogans and "greeting the Sun" with a characteristic gesture. It has 150 Idritsko-Berlin MTS, consisting of 2 tank and 2 motorized rifle regiments, which are, as it is claimed, formed in heavy states. That is, it has both tanks and artillery in it, not only more conventional but also much more. If we assume (and this is most likely the case) that the states of this division are repeating the OCS of the so-called "Ogarkov" heavy missile systems, successfully overclocked under Gorbachev, then tanks can eventually be 400 at the end of formation. In those battalions there were 4 companies in each battalion (in msb 3 and 1 tr, in reverse on the reverse), with all tank companies being 13-tank, and battalions, even in tank regiments, had 40 tanks each. And at the battalion level there were 122-mm SAU 2S1 and much more useful, and in the shelves 152mm 2C3 served in artillery regiments, which were in artillery regiments in ordinary divisions. Also in the same army is 20 gv. omsbr from Volgograd (if Americans are not mistaken). In the Crimean 22 AK, a combined-arms brigade with tanks is still one - at number 126 of Perevalnoye, called the coastal defense brigade, but in fact it is a motorized rifle, just naval, like everything in the Crimea, subordination. This is another 41 (42 tanks). A total of 860-876 tanks are delivered to the South East Fleet, if all units are completed, and estimates for 150 divisions more or less coincide with reality.

A total of 3475-3530 vehicles are in all districts. In reality, there are fewer of them, for the above reasons - not all connections have been completed, on the other hand, training centers and military schools, where there are more than one hundred tanks, we also do not consider, like much else. And, of course, tanks are not taken into account in bases for the storage and repair of military equipment (BHiRVT), that is, bases for the formation of regiments and brigades of the first stage of mobilization (everything else is already formed on the basis of equipment from the central reserve bases). These BHiRWT are now being reorganized into so-called CAMRs (centers for ensuring the mobilization), in fact, this is the same basis, but with the training and other base for ensuring the activity of reservists of permanent reserve, which was recently officially formalized, and this is a very good and long overdue solution. We do not take into account the bases of the dual-basing system, where we keep sets of equipment for relocating light connections from the interior of the country, and the central reserve bases themselves - after all, we considered combat vehicles.

At the same time, it must be said that the formation of divisions will continue in the near future. So, according to media reports, the formation of three MSDs (possibly less, still) at the base of 19, 20 and 136 OMBR will begin in the South-East. There were reports of the creation of a "coastal defense" division in the North, perhaps even two - on the Kola Peninsula and in Chukotka. The formation of divisions and beyond the Urals begins, for example, in the 5th Krasnoznamennaya OA in Primorye, the 127th Red Banner is formed. Each msd means an increase in the order of 176 or more tanks (this is if it is formed on the basis of one motorized rifle brigade, but if two of them - the increase will be less significant). It is clear that with this deployment of units of the Ministry of Defense was ready to abandon the previously declared thesis about getting rid of a variety of tanks and to reinstate the T-80BB tanks with repair and minimal modernization, while simultaneously launching the modernization program of their fleet in T-80BVM. Tanks need a lot, and still need a lot of personnel, especially officers. And with the release of young officers there are problems - a really normal number of graduates is only expected, before this, officers are issued that have been enrolled in a small set in the school.

In addition, we forgot about the Airborne Forces, and in fact there are also formed 6 tank companies (in each of the 2 assault and assault divisions and 4 landing assault brigades), the companies in the divisions are deployed in battalions, in brigades, seemingly, still remain companies or then they will also become battalions. It's more than a hundred tanks.

A lot of this or a little - more than three thousand tanks in the line of linear parts? This is a lot, considering that even the US Army has only 10 tank brigades with 87 tanks each, 3 such brigades in the National Guard and several hundred (maximum) tanks in the ILC. And about the various European "great powers" and say nothing: except for the Poles, as well as the Greeks and the Turks (whose almost completely obsolete tank fleets are aimed at each other in general), the European powers for the happiness of having two hundred cars in the ranks. France has 200 cars, Germany has 225 (there is a plan to deploy up to 328), Britain has less than 200, and so on.
 
Military Balance 2018 (SIPRI) antaa kokonaisluvuksi riveissä oleville panssareille määräksi 2 780 kpl.

Taustaa näihin lukuihin:

So, according to the aforementioned report, there are now 12 armies (1 of them tank) and 4 army corps in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation and the Naval Forces of the Navy. In the Western Military District (ZVO) of this number, 3 armies (1 GVTA, 20 GV OA, 6 OA) and 1 Corps (11 GV AK in the Kaliningrad Defense District), to the combined operational-strategic command "North" (Northern fleet) includes 14 AK on the Kola Peninsula, in the Southern Military District (SE) - 3 armies (8 Guards OA, 58 OA, 49 OA) and 1 Corps (22 AK in the Crimea), 2 in the Central Military District Army (2 Guards OA, 41 OA), in the Eastern Military District (VVO) - 4 armies (29 OA, 35 OA, 36 OA, 5 OA) and 1 Corps (68 AK in Sakhalin and Kuriles). As part of the 1st Guards Tank Army, the 4th Guards Tank and 2nd Guards Motorized Rifle Divisions, the 6th Separate Tank Brigade, the 27th Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade (various formations and parts of army and corps kits do not count), totaling 675 ( 695) tanks, subject to the completion of the fourth regiments in 4 gv.td and 2 gv.m.dd, but while they are only being formed. In the 20 Guards Combined-Arms Army - 144 gv. and 435 (446) tanks, as long as the divisions are fully completed, but it is known that until the fourth pair of regiments there is only being formed in both divisions. However, it is possible that 144 gv. MTS will have not one tank regiment, but two - on the basis of a separate tank battalion a tank regiment is being formed, and meanwhile, the 228th TP in the division is already available.

In the north and north-west of the ZVO, in 6 OA there are only 2 motorized rifle brigades (138 and 25 OMBR), so there are 82 (84) tanks for the army, and the army general, small. On the other hand, in potential adversaries there is only a superpower of the Baltic states with three NATO battalions inside and yes Finland. True, it seems that in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, when forming divisions, they re-approach the issue in such a way that clearly in the end each army will have at least one MDA, so it is possible that in the next few years such a decision will also be possible in this case. In the Kaliningrad 11 Guards AK only two motorized rifle brigades (OMSBR), 7 Guards and 79 Guards, total 82 (84) tanks. In the nearby area of the 336th Guards Brigade of the Marine Corps of the Baltic Fleet, tanks have not yet appeared, but for sure in the next couple of years, first a company will appear, and then a battalion - a similar process is already under way in the Pacific Fleet. So far, no one has formed any divisions, but such a decision seems to be asking for in the future.

In total, we have 1275 (1305) tanks in the line of line connections, although in reality they are still fewer. If you add there the 14th AK from the USC "North", while there is definitely a tank battalion of 200 OMBR, it may or will be in the 80th Arctic OMBR, there are no tanks yet in 61 brigade of marines, but they will definitely appear soon. So far, we count 82 (84 tanks).

In the TSO, according to the same report, consisting of 2 Guards. OA now 3 motorized rifle brigades, under numbers 21, 15 and 30. But they are all different. 21 ombra from Totsky, seemingly, the only one in the RF Armed Forces (perhaps not), formed according to the so-called. "heavy state" with 2 tank and 2 motorized rifle battalions, it leaves 82 (84) tanks, but 15 ombrells is peacekeeping, the tank battalion in it, it seems, is absent, that up to 30 osmbr, newly formed to replace the seized after the war on Ukraine from this army units and formations (which became the basis for the formation of 144 MSD) - there is no information on its composition, except that in it the reconnaissance battalion on the Syrian tracks seems to have been put on various light vehicles, beginning with the Tigrov-M and ending with "Patriots". Probably the tank battalion is still there. In general, conditionally we will record for the army 123 (124) tanks. According to the same document, the newly formed 90 Guards Tank Division is a part of 41 OA (previously there were reports that it remained district subordination, who is right - it is not known), together with the 74th Guards. osmbr, 35 gv. omsbr and the 55th mountain brigade from Kyzyl in Tuva. Tanks in the Tuva "mountaineers" do not, they do not need them, but all the others have. There also includes 201 military base in Tajikistan, in which there are now three motorized rifle regiments, seemingly, tanks are everywhere. In total, a fairly strong fist in 534 (543) tanks, if all is correct, of course. Total for the CVO is 657 (667) machines.

In the VVO, in spite of 4 armies and corps, divisions, namely they are the most "rich" in heavy armored vehicles, have not yet been formed, but only for the time being. The army itself is far from being all that can be considered deployed, in a number of them the combined arms brigades are given by God 1-2 and with deployed brigades and regiments of the army kit. In general, this situation is understandable - China at the moment is not an enemy to us, but a friend and ally, and potential enemies are increasingly in Europe, in NATO. In all of these 4 armies and 1 corps, there are 10 motorized rifle brigades, 1 tank brigade and 18 machine-gun artillery division in the Kuriles (reinforced, but tank units are also present in it, without them), that is, about 600 tanks. In addition, in the Pacific Fleet, there are no tanks yet in the 155th Marine Brigade, but soon there will be a company deployed in the 40th Marine Corps Brigade, but it will be reorganized into a battalion, which we also count.

In the Southern Military District, there are now 42 gv in the 58 OA. mdd, 19 and 136 ombar, 4 Guards military base in South Ossetia. 42 Evpatoria division is now fully deployed, but according to researchers from the United States, there is no tank regiment in it or it is deployed. In total, 340 (350) machines are produced. In 49 OA, as many as 2 combined arms brigades, 205 and 34 mountain, in which tanks are not available. Where more interesting is the newly formed 8 Guards. OA, formed with a clear sight of the possible coercion to the world of various shrewd Cossacks with the territory neighboring the Donbass republics, who adore reasoning about how they "restrain Russian fascism" without forgetting, of course, shouting Nazi slogans and "greeting the Sun" with a characteristic gesture. It has 150 Idritsko-Berlin MTS, consisting of 2 tank and 2 motorized rifle regiments, which are, as it is claimed, formed in heavy states. That is, it has both tanks and artillery in it, not only more conventional but also much more. If we assume (and this is most likely the case) that the states of this division are repeating the OCS of the so-called "Ogarkov" heavy missile systems, successfully overclocked under Gorbachev, then tanks can eventually be 400 at the end of formation. In those battalions there were 4 companies in each battalion (in msb 3 and 1 tr, in reverse on the reverse), with all tank companies being 13-tank, and battalions, even in tank regiments, had 40 tanks each. And at the battalion level there were 122-mm SAU 2S1 and much more useful, and in the shelves 152mm 2C3 served in artillery regiments, which were in artillery regiments in ordinary divisions. Also in the same army is 20 gv. omsbr from Volgograd (if Americans are not mistaken). In the Crimean 22 AK, a combined-arms brigade with tanks is still one - at number 126 of Perevalnoye, called the coastal defense brigade, but in fact it is a motorized rifle, just naval, like everything in the Crimea, subordination. This is another 41 (42 tanks). A total of 860-876 tanks are delivered to the South East Fleet, if all units are completed, and estimates for 150 divisions more or less coincide with reality.

A total of 3475-3530 vehicles are in all districts. In reality, there are fewer of them, for the above reasons - not all connections have been completed, on the other hand, training centers and military schools, where there are more than one hundred tanks, we also do not consider, like much else. And, of course, tanks are not taken into account in bases for the storage and repair of military equipment (BHiRVT), that is, bases for the formation of regiments and brigades of the first stage of mobilization (everything else is already formed on the basis of equipment from the central reserve bases). These BHiRWT are now being reorganized into so-called CAMRs (centers for ensuring the mobilization), in fact, this is the same basis, but with the training and other base for ensuring the activity of reservists of permanent reserve, which was recently officially formalized, and this is a very good and long overdue solution. We do not take into account the bases of the dual-basing system, where we keep sets of equipment for relocating light connections from the interior of the country, and the central reserve bases themselves - after all, we considered combat vehicles.

At the same time, it must be said that the formation of divisions will continue in the near future. So, according to media reports, the formation of three MSDs (possibly less, still) at the base of 19, 20 and 136 OMBR will begin in the South-East. There were reports of the creation of a "coastal defense" division in the North, perhaps even two - on the Kola Peninsula and in Chukotka. The formation of divisions and beyond the Urals begins, for example, in the 5th Krasnoznamennaya OA in Primorye, the 127th Red Banner is formed. Each msd means an increase in the order of 176 or more tanks (this is if it is formed on the basis of one motorized rifle brigade, but if two of them - the increase will be less significant). It is clear that with this deployment of units of the Ministry of Defense was ready to abandon the previously declared thesis about getting rid of a variety of tanks and to reinstate the T-80BB tanks with repair and minimal modernization, while simultaneously launching the modernization program of their fleet in T-80BVM. Tanks need a lot, and still need a lot of personnel, especially officers. And with the release of young officers there are problems - a really normal number of graduates is only expected, before this, officers are issued that have been enrolled in a small set in the school.

In addition, we forgot about the Airborne Forces, and in fact there are also formed 6 tank companies (in each of the 2 assault and assault divisions and 4 landing assault brigades), the companies in the divisions are deployed in battalions, in brigades, seemingly, still remain companies or then they will also become battalions. It's more than a hundred tanks.

A lot of this or a little - more than three thousand tanks in the line of linear parts? This is a lot, considering that even the US Army has only 10 tank brigades with 87 tanks each, 3 such brigades in the National Guard and several hundred (maximum) tanks in the ILC. And about the various European "great powers" and say nothing: except for the Poles, as well as the Greeks and the Turks (whose almost completely obsolete tank fleets are aimed at each other in general), the European powers for the happiness of having two hundred cars in the ranks. France has 200 cars, Germany has 225 (there is a plan to deploy up to 328), Britain has less than 200, and so on.

Ei tuosta selviä vaunujen todellinen kunto.
Erityisesti venäläisillä on ollut tapana ylläpitää numeroita, joukkoja joiden todellinen taistelukyky on kaukana siitä mitä se on paperilla. Tätä oli neuvostoliiton aikana, ei perinne ole mihinkään kadonnut.
Hyvien joukkojen lisäksi on näitä perunannostajia joilla saattaa olla hyvinkin vaunuja.
 

The T-72АМТ Main Battle Tank, which was developed and manufactured by the "Kyiv Armored Plant" is undergoing a live firing test campaign at a military campground, the Ukranian State Enterprise "Ukroboronprom" press office announced today.

The whole program of tests aim at testing all firing modes with various types of ammunition, including the "Combat" high-precision guided weapon developed by Ukroboronprom's Luch design bureau.

With this new capability, the T-72AMT modernized tank will be able to destroy enemy armored vehicles at a range of up to five km, and the range of its fire is twice the one of the T-72A. The armor penetrative capability of the Combat is 750mm, and thanks to the tandem warhead it ignores the enemy's reactive armor.

In addition, the T-72 AMT has received the latest generation of protection, which is provided by elements of dynamic protection and anti-cumulative gratings.

According to Ukroboronprom, the modernization program also included upgrading the tank chassis: the replacement of tracks allowed to increase the smoothness of the tank's movement, and a rear-view camera was installed for convenient operation.

New surveillance equipment was also included in the program, such as new night vision devices with 3rd generation electronic-optical convertes, as well as night sight for conducting fire with high-precision rounds.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/aug...k_starts_live_firing_campaign_in_ukraine.html

onko "high-precision rounds" yhtäkuin alikali nuolet?
 
onko "high-precision rounds" yhtäkuin alikali nuolet?
Ei vaan PST-ohjus.

Alla oleva artikkeli käsittelee samaa aihetta vähän selvemmin.

Ukroboronprom starts fire tests of T-72 AMT main battle tank with new high-precision anti-tank missiles
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/general/524511.html
A set of tests, which are conducted at the Defense Ministry's testing grounds, includes the testing of firing modes of the T-72 AMT, which is equipped with modern ammunition, including high-precision anti-tank Combat guided missiles, developed by Ukroboronprom's Luch design bureau, it said.

The use of the new high-precision anti-tank missiles is a major feature of the T-72 AMT MBT, which is a modernized version of the T-72A.

At the same time, special attention was paid to the aiming complex and surveillance equipment during the development of the T-72 AMT: the modernized tank is equipped with night vision devices with modern third generation electronic-optical converters, as well as a night sight for conducting fire with high-precision missiles.
 
Laitetaan tämä tänne oikeaan vitjaan...

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Lukusuositus siitä, miten Britit päätyivät Challenger II taistelupanssarivaunuun, suoraan hevosen suusta.


Nostoja:


My personal previous experience of tanks had been primarily on the old Chieftain, a sluggish and unreliable vehicle but one for which we came to have a grudging affection. I led a troop and subsequently a squadron of Chieftains during my time with the 4th Royal Tank Regiment in the 1980s.

We used to say that Chieftain was the best tank in the world as long as it broke down in a good fire position, and there was a strong element of truth in that statement. Its armour protection was good, its 120mm rifled gun powerful and accurate, but its automotive systems let it down. And by the time I commanded my squadron it was obsolescent if not obsolete.

This left three main contenders – Germany’s Leopard 2, the US M1A1 Abrams, and Vickers Defence Systems’ (now BAE Systems) Challenger 2. We lived and breathed the project, discussing every aspect in minute detail time and again. In the end the recommendation of the HQDRAC staff officers was clear; Britain’s next tank should ideally be the Leopard 2, mainly for reasons of reliability, impressive mobility, and because of its 120mm smoothbore gun, which would give Britain ammunition compatibility and interoperability with our NATO allies (many of whom opted for Leopard 2) and the perceived advantages of economy of scale of production.

So Leopard 2 was our recommendation. And obviously we were ignored.




Nyt, kun Challenger II pitäisi uusia (tai mahdollisesti modernisoida), yksi vaihtoehto vaunulle olisi... Leo 2 :camo:
 
Laitetaan tämä tänne oikeaan vitjaan...

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Lukusuositus siitä, miten Britit päätyivät Challenger II taistelupanssarivaunuun, suoraan hevosen suusta.


Nostoja:











Nyt, kun Challenger II pitäisi uusia (tai mahdollisesti modernisoida), yksi vaihtoehto vaunulle olisi... Leo 2 :camo:

Ajatuksia herättävä näkemys. Tosiaan, olen aina olettanut että Leopard 2 oli alkujaankin räätälöity MBT-kokonaisuus länsieurooppalaisiin olosuhteisiin kylmän sodan kontekstissa (lue = Varsovan liiton massiivinen isku Länsi-Saksaan). Ja Bundeswehrin lisäksi se kelpasi erittäin hyvin monelle muullekin maalle lähinnä Centurionin seuraajaksi ja korvaajaksi. Mutta tässä varmasti näkyy tämä kansallisen tason puolustustarvikeratkaisun tarve Britannian (Challenger), Ranskan (Leclerc) ja Italian (Ariete) kaltaisissa maissa. Logistiset syyt (huolto, valmistus) eivät painaneet vaakakupissa kun kansallisia ratkaisuja tehtiin. Voisin kuvitella, että synergiaetu olisi ollut merkittävä tekijä WW3:n taistelukentillä 1980-luvulla, jos kaikki läntiset panssarit olisivat olleet samaa tyyppiä. Ei olisi tarvinnut vatvoa erilaisten varaosien ja erilaisten a-tarvikkeiden kanssa.
 
Viimeksi muokattu:
Lukusuositus siitä, miten Britit päätyivät Challenger II taistelupanssarivaunuun, suoraan hevosen suusta.


Nyt, kun Challenger II pitäisi uusia (tai mahdollisesti modernisoida), yksi vaihtoehto vaunulle olisi... Leo 2 :camo:
Mielenkiintoista myös tuo, kun kommenteissa eräs kertoo, että brittien testeissä Leopard 2A4:n tornin turhan heikko etupanssarointi sai kritiikkiä ja nimenomaan tuon palautteen seurauksena Leo 2A5:en torniin lisättiin kiilamainen lisäpanssari, mikä on myös myöhemmissä malleissa.

I actually worked with in my prior job an ex senior officer who had been on the trials unit for Challenger 2. Prior to being assigned to that task his general view was the Army should buy the Abrams and even after serving with the trials unit held that view. As is affirmed in print from many sources buying CR2 was a politically driven decision. I can perfectly believe that the Leopard 2 was a preferred option albeit my former colleague did have a rather dim view of the turret frontal armour and the feedback given to the Germans by the UK trials team directly influenced the development of the A5 variant with the wedge shaped add on turret armour pack.
The armour was a source of criticism for the UK trials unit of the Leopard 2 according to my source who worked in the trials unit, in particular the turret frontal armour.

The information that the UK trials unit gave back to the Germans directly influenced the development of the 2a5 variant with the bolt on wedge shaped turret armour packs.
 
The See-Through Tanks Are Coming

Cameras and augmented reality allow tank crews to scan for threats in all directions.


New technology promises to give tankers an unprecedented view of the battlefield around themwithout exposing them to lethal enemy fire. Camera systems, often linked to VR headsets, can provide soldiers with a real-time view of the world outside their tank, eliminating the often severely restricted view tankers are forced to fight with.

Tanks are large, lethal, imposing beasts, surrounding their crews with layers of thick steel, composite, and even uranium armor. All of that protection makes it hard to see outside the tank, however, and tankers usually must rely on small vision ports to make sense of things. Seeing to the tank’s flanks and rear is particularly difficult, an often unnerving prospect because those are areas where a tank’s armor is thinnest.

New tech borrowed from fighter jets promises to change that. One of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter’s most fascinating features is its so-called Distributed Aperture System, or DAS, which uses a network of infrared cameras on the outside of the F-35 to provide the pilot with views in all directionsincluding behind the cockpit and straight down through the cockpit floor. This provides the pilot with greater situational awareness in training and combat.

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LIMPIDARMOR @ YOUTUBE

A Ukrainian company is testing a form of DAS for tanks. The company, LimpidArmor, says its Land Platform Modernization Kit “enables a 360-degree real-time battlefield environment delivery" to the crew of armored vehicles due to 4 sets of cameras that merge streams and displays it in an operator's augmented reality glasses. It increases safety of both vehicle operators and people outside by enabling its crew to see even in so-called “blind zones.” Installed on a Ukrainian Army T-84 main battle tank, Land Platform Modernization Kit uses sixteen image-stabilized cameras that provide both day and night vision views in all directions outside the tank.

The key to the kit is the use of a commercial technology, specifically Microsoft’s Hololens mixed reality headset. The Hololens attaches to a tanker’s helmet like a pair of night vision goggles, allowing outside camera views to be projected into the user’s field of vision. In addition to camera views the Hololens can project other data, including the “telemetry of all systems of the combat vehicle, task statuses, goals, interactive hints, placement of friendly and hostile units. It can be connected to the fire control system and to receive data from the UAV.”


LimpidArmor isn’t the only company to market AR-enabled headsets for vehicle crews. Israeli defense giant Elbit Systems has its IronVision system, promising “seamless 360 degree line of sight,” the ability to spot vehicles at ranges of up to 300 meters, and a “look-lock-launch” fighting capability. European arms contractor Hensoldt is also marketing its Local Situational Awareness System, or LSAS.

“See-Through” tank technology is likely to become very big in coming years. The technology is simple, inexpensive, and very useful to vehicle crews. It can also be retrofitted to existing equipment, making it a quick and efficient upgrade for literally tens of thousands of existing tanks and armored fighting vehicles
https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a22853524/the-see-through-tanks-are-coming/
 
Menee historian puolelle. Minua on ihmetyttänyt miksi Suomi ei pystynyt tekemään mitään panssarivaunuhankintoja ennen jatkosodan syttymistä. Kuitenkin oli jo tiedossa alkuvuodesta 1941 että uusi sota on tulossa. Olisi luullut että Saksalaisia olisi voinut painostaa avun saamisessa. Olisi voinut kyseenalaistaa saksalaisten meille asettamien tavoitteiden toteutuminen ilman täydennystä panssariaselajiin. Saksa oli tuolloin voimansa tunnossa joten olisi luullut että muutama kymmenen vaunua olisi sopuhintaan jostain löytynyt,vaikka ranskalaisia sotasaalisvaunuja jos ei muuta. Eikö Suomen sodanjohdossa vielä tuossavaiheessa ymmärretty panssarivaunujen merkitystä? Vasta 1943 alkaen alettiin saamaan Sturmeja joita ehti sotatoimiin vain vaivaiset 29 kpl.Niilläkin saatiin merkittäviä tuloksia aikaan vaan olisipa niitä ollut vaikka 100 kpl. Ennen jatkosotaa Saksasta saatiin kyllä sotasaalishävittäjiä kuten esim Moranet ja Curtis Hawkit mutta panssareista ei ilmeisesti oltu kiinnostuneita.Ainoat vaunut taisi olla kevyet Christiet ja jokunen sotasaalisvaunu talvisodan peruja kun hyökkäyssotaan lähdettiin.
 
Eikö Suomen sodanjohdossa vielä tuossavaiheessa ymmärretty panssarivaunujen merkitystä?
Saattaa hyvinkin olla, tuonaikainen sodanjohto oli viimeksi nähnyt sotaa parikymmentä vuotta aikaisemmin ja tuolloin panssariase oli melko marginaalinen.
Toisaaalta olihan kokemusta talvisodasta siitä kun ei ollut tarpeeksi pst-kalustoa ja vihollisen vaunut tunkivat päälle. Vai kuviteltiinko silloin että pitää vain saada lisää pst-tykkejä?
 
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