Suomen kehittämät erikoisjoukot pidetään piilossa julkisuudelta

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Korvienvälihän tuossa täytyy olla enemmän kuin kunnossa... 1000 miestä on aika paljon... Mahtaa jenkeillä edes olla niin paljon niitä oikeita erikoisjoukkoja? Jos jätetään rangerit sun muut pois...

26 pataljoonaa armeijan erikoisjoukkoja, 9 "komppaniaa" laivaston erikoisjoukkoja, 3 pataljoonaa merijalkaväen erikoisjoukkoja, keihäänkärki SFOD-D ja DEVGRU


Päälle ne Rangerit, ilmavoimien yksiköt etc.
 
Muistan nähneeni jossain lähteessä mainitun, että henkilöstön määrä pyörii siellä 24-27 000 paikkeilla.
 
26 pataljoonaa armeijan erikoisjoukkoja, 9 "komppaniaa" laivaston erikoisjoukkoja, 3 pataljoonaa merijalkaväen erikoisjoukkoja, keihäänkärki SFOD-D ja DEVGRU


Päälle ne Rangerit, ilmavoimien yksiköt etc.
Mutta noissa on tukijoukot, huollot ja esikunta mukana?
 
Meidän järjestelmä mahdollistaa hyvän reservin kasvattamisen näille joukoille.
Kaaderi kouluttaa ja reserviläiset sitoutuvat 10 vuoden vuosittaiseen koulutukseen ja valmiuteen.
Reserviläisille pitää myös tarjota mahdollisuus palvelukseen ulkomailla kunnon korvauksella.

Tuloksena on kahden portaan erikoisjoukot, keihäänkärki ja laadukas reservi kuten nytkin, mutta vieläkin terävämpänä.

Näillä joukoilla olisi prioriteetti kansainvälisissä operaatioissa, niitä tarjotaan jotka hyödyttävät eniten omaa valmiutta.
 
Siinähän se on selvästi luettavissa.

Ammattisotilas-Erkkariksi pyrkivän pitää olla jo varusmiehenä erikoiskoulutettu, ja heitä koulutetaan tuo 50-80/vuosi PV:n sivun mukaan. 1000 miehen joukon kokoamiseen menisi siis tuolla vauhdilla, olettaen, että kaikki sitoutuisivat ammattisotilaiksi, 15-20 v. (valintakokeiden perusteella kurssille valitaan 50-80 koulutukseen soveltuvinta).

Matematiikka osoittaa aika selkeästi, että 1000 erikoisjoukkosotilaan yksikön kokoaminen tuolla tahdilla on aika mahdotonta. Ilmeisesti on saatettu pystyä kokoamaan 50-100 ammattilaisen joukko kymmenessä vuodessa...

Mistäs joulupukin pajasta meinasit nykäistä nuo 1000 heppua itse?

En nyt käynyt tarkistamassa, mutta ennen riitti ainakin reservin aliupseerin koulutus. Eli kun olet käynyt AUK vaikka tykistön tuliasemalinjalla niin voit hakea pääsykokeisiin. Siellä sitten katsotaan oletko fyysisesti ja henkisesti sopiva ammatti erikoisjoukkotehtäviin.

Mutta noi Nemen määrät ei ole kyllä mitään realistisia varsinkaan kun kyse on erikoisjoukoista.
 
The Most Elite Special Forces In The US
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Ever since the Osama bin Laden raid, America has gone bonkers for U.S. Navy SEALs and Military Special Operators in general.

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The Special Operations Command, or SOCOM, is scheduled for spending and personnel increases while the rest of the military looks to be making cuts. End strength goals indicate that America's entire crop of military operators will top off at 70,000.

In fact, the number of operators has doubled since 9/11, and their budget tripled — from $3.5 billion to $10.5 billion. The trend will likely continue as the U.S. is in the middle of a shift to "smaller footprint" type operations.

Putting 100 thousand troops and countless private support personnel on the ground in any given country — sometimes referred to as "nation building" — is a costly strategy. Putting a boot or two on Osama bin Laden's door arguably cost more in political currency — Pakistan wasn't too happy — than actual currency.

Though it was the SEALs who performed that raid in Abbottabad, it's worth noting there are quite a few more SpecOps units in the U.S. than just SEALs — Green Berets and Marine Snipers, etc. — so we here at Business Insider have made things easy by assembling a comprehensive list of all the SpecOps units we could find (with help from the extensive descriptions on AmericanSpecialOps.com).

Division Marine Recon
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Marine Reconnaissance teams provide intelligence for active small unit operations on the battlefield. Those with Marine Sniper quals can also provide accurate demoralizing small arms fire from a distance.

Marine Recon is arguably in the top five of all special operators — capable of harassing an entire enemy battalion for long periods of time; tracking enemy units for larger American forces; or conducting well-orchestrated raids on high-valued targets.

These guys are the gems in the crown of the United States Marine Corps.

Air Force Special Operations Weatherman
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No, it's not a joke. They can literally forecast the weather above a fight, kill the enemy, and direct artillery — simultaneously.

The official mission of the U.S. Air Force field weatherman is as a ground-level, small-unit meteorologist who provides accurate forecasts for the purpose of air asset deployment (bombs and stuff).

USMC Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company — ANGLICO
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The Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company is another group that often finds itself in the shadow of sexier special operations units like the SEALs. A single ANGLICO Marine can coordinate a hellish rain of fiery artillery and air-strafing fire on the enemy though, whereas all a SEAL can do is pull a trigger.

Typically they don't deploy as individuals, but like any SpecOps group, in teams of four or five.

A typical ANGLICO team:

  • Team Leader (Captain or Navy Lieutenant): any ground MOS - typically JTAC (Joint Terminal Attack Controller)-qualified artillery officer.
  • Team Chief (Sergeant), typically qualified as JFO (joint fires observer) and as a JTAC.
  • Radio Chief (Corporal or Sergeant).
  • Junior Radio Operator (Private First Class / Lance Corporal).
  • Fire Support Man / Scout Observer (Private First Class / Lance Corporal).
USMC Amphibious Recon Platoons
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Amphibious Recon Platoons draw their personnel from Battalion Recon Units and typically support direct action Force Reconnaissance Operations as well as Naval Fleet Operations.

They hold all the same certs, generally speaking, of Recon Marines because they are Recon Marines. The only difference are their tasks:

To determine characteristics of beaches available for landing, and report the information to the commander at sea.

  1. By hydrographic reconnaissance of water near the shore line.
  2. By examining terrain in immediate vicinity of beach.
  3. By noting beach defenses, such as wire, mines, and other obstacles; troops in immediate vicinity; other defenses.
Air Force Combat Controllers
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Combat controllers are among the most elite in the military. Top 10 easy. These guys are independent operators, like Marine Recon, except with more air assets.

They are experts at stealth insertion well behind enemy lines and are often just a disembodied voice for other ground troops, like SEALs, as they provide air support coordination. They're often on the ground picking targets in America's bombing campaigns and likely played a key role in the Libyan revolution.

They hold a lot of the most high-speed special operations certifications:

  • Combat Control Orientation Course, Lackland AFB, Texas.
  • Combat Control Operator Course, Keesler AFB, Miss.
  • U.S. Army Airborne School, Fort Benning, Ga.
  • U.S. Air Force Basic Survival School, Fairchild AFB, Wash.
  • Combat Control School, Pope AFB, N.C.
  • Special Tactics Advanced Skills Training, Hurlburt Field, Fla.
  • U.S. Army Military Freefall Parachutist School, Fort Bragg, N.C., and Yuma Proving Grounds, Ariz.
  • U. S. Air Force Combat Divers School, Panama City, Fla.
Army 'Combined Applications Group'
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The uncontested number one heavy-weight champ. The operators of operators, crème de la crème — even the SEALs who killed bin Laden wish they were a part of this crew.

Combined Applications Group is their old name, some call them Delta, but that was never an official name either. These guys are the absolute tip of the spear — Matt Bissonnette, one of the SEALs on the bin Laden raid, mentioned them in his book "No Easy Day" as if they were gods.

They are also the only group of special operators outside of SEAL Team 6 (ST6) where direct close contact with the enemy is a guarantee upon acceptance, regardless of whether America is officially at war or not.

They recruit from the nation's highest special operations units, only twice a year, to include ST6.

These are just a couple initial tests they have to pass:

  • A timed 18-mile 'ruck-march' at night in which the candidate must carry 35 pounds in their rucksack.
  • A timed 40 mile route while carrying a 45 pound ruck sack over rough, steep terrain.
Then they have a rigorous battery of psychological tests. If, after those tests, they're found to qualify, they attend a six-month training course.

If they pass the course, they cease to exist. It's said they work hand-in-hand with the nation's highest paramilitary and intelligence agencies.

US Navy SEALs
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SEAL stands for SEa Air and Land special operators, thus the word SEALs. There are eight "Teams" of Navy SEALs: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, and 10.

Despite having a number, SEAL Team 6 is not counted in the "numbered" teams. They're commonly called "rainbow" because they break personnel down into subsections under four colors — Red, Blue, Gold, and Silver (with a special Gray squadron, the boat squad).

Prospective Navy SEALs attend a course called Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL, or BUD/S.

Total SEAL training consists of:

  • Preparation School
    4 – 12 weeks at the Naval Special Warfare Preparatory School.
  • Indoctrination Test
    3 weeks of physical tests.
  • BUD/S
    25 weeks. Week 3, "Hell Week," 135 hours of continuous physical demand.
  • Post Grad
    28 weeks at SEAL Qualification Course, which includes all specialized training courses to produce combat ready Navy SEAL.
  • The final test: killing the enemy and coming home
SEAL Team Six — Rainbow
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At Navy SEAL balls, I've heard it's common to hear SEALs ask each other, "Are you a number, or a color?" The colors are (or possibly used to be) Red, Blue, Gold, and Silver.

They're a firm number 2 under Army CAG.

SEAL Team 6, the 'colored' SEALs, are those who do off the grid, or "black," operations, directly under Joint Special Operations Command (and so, by a short chain, the president). Under the designation, Naval Special Operations Development Group, or DEVGRU, these SEALs have three primary missions:

  • Counter Terrorism
    Since 2001 SEAL Team Six has been focused on operations in and around Afghanistan. The unit is also able to carry out pre-emptive CT operations.
  • Close Protection
    DEVGRU sometimes provide security for VIPs. For instance DEVGRU provided Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai with close protection in the early days of his Presidency.
  • Special Reconnaissance
    DEVGRU operators, especially those trained as snipers, are experts at reconnaissance, surveillance and intelligence gathering operation.
Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams — FAST
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FAST teams get a bum rap from a lot of other special operations units, in large part for them being comprised of regular straight-leg infantry. Grunts, in other words. Nonetheless, they perform a special set of tasks.

Their most common mission is to deploy and reinforce American diplomatic missions and embassies.

The Marines within Fleet Antiterrorism Security Teams are skilled in:

  • Counter surveillance.
  • Physical security.
  • Urban combat techniques.
  • Close quarter combat (CQB).
  • Martial arts.
Force Reconnaissance Marines
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Marine Corps Force Reconnaissance, otherwise known as Force Recon, are a company-sized (about 200) recon and direct-action element that falls directly under the Marine Expeditionary Force commander, or the Naval Strike Group commander, depending on whether they're aboard a ship or on land.

Because of their direct line to a commander, Force Recon often finds itself in the position of performing, lets say, "highly sensitive," special operations — making "Recon" a bit of a misnomer.

The sheer amount of training and the scope of their operations put them in a close heat with numbered SEALs for the number-three rank as top operators.

There are a number of courses they attend, some of which are:

  • Marine Corps Combatant Diver Course — Navy Diving Salvage and Training Center, Naval Support Activity Panama City, Florida.

  • Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School* — Navy Remote Training Sites; NAS North Island, CA or NAS Brunswick, ME.

  • Army Airborne School* — Fort Benning, GA.

  • United States Army Static Line Jumpmaster School (Fort Benning, Georgia).

  • United States Army Ranger School (Fort Benning, Georgia).

  • Special Operations Training Group Schools (i.e. Urban Sniper, HRST, etc.).

  • Recon and Surveillance Leaders Course — Ranger School, Fort Benning, GA.

  • Pathfinder Course — Army Infantry School, Fort Benning, or Army Air Assault School, Fort Campbell, Kentucky.
Marine Special Operations Command — MARSOC
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Though MARSOC Marines tend to be former Recon or Infantry, any Marine with the guts to give it a shot and the muscle to match can end up as an operator for Special Operations Command (SOCOM), the unit MARSOC falls beneath.

They also remain somewhat of a sore spot among Marines — common among complaints are that anyone can try out, they don't fall under traditional Marine command structures, they think they're special, etc.

The indoctrination for MARSOC is quite rigorous:

  • Assessment and Selection Preparation and Orientation Course — A 21-day course that is basically just practice for the real initial test.
  • Assessment and Selection — A 19-day course which weeds out anyone unable to complete the grueling 7-month training evolution to become MARSOC.
Upon graduation, students will attend a course broken down into four phases:

  • Phase 1 Communications and combat medicine — the culmination of this phase is completion of the Survival Evade Resist Escape school.
  • Phase 2 — Amphibious operations, tactics, weapons and special reconnaissance.
  • Phase 3 — Urban operations: marksmanship, close quarters battle and urban combat.
  • Phase 4 — Eight weeks of irregular warfare training, followed by the culminating exercise.
The Maritime Raid Force — MRF
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Piracy is such a problem, the Navy decided to take the best of its personnel, throw them in high-speed boats, and set them on some pirates.

The Maritime Raid Force is basically a bunch of really good, really aggressive trigger-pullers who fearlessly hit pirates hard, right in the mouth. It's essentially the Navy's All Star team for countering pirates — a hodgepodge of Navy and Marine personnel, SEALs, Marine Snipers, and Recon, who often draw off knowledge from the Amphibious Reconnaissance Platoon to conduct counter-piracy and interdiction operations.

Though they don't conduct a wide array of "special" operations, their targeted and highly trained nature earns them a spot on the BI list.

The different occupational specialties in the MRF are:

  • Assault Element: Navy SEALs or Recon Marines .
  • Security Element: Infantry Marines, Snipers.
  • Support Element: Radio, intel, forward air controllers, etc.
  • Aviation, Close Air Support: Marine personnel typically supersede Naval pilots in this task.
Coast Guard Maritime Safety and Security Teams — MSST
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Yes, the Coast Guard has special operations. These operators fall under the Deployable Operations Group, and attend training in Advanced Tactical Boat Operations and Anti-terrorism Force protection at the Joint Maritime Training Center at Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. (Camp Lejeune is also home to most East Coast Marines.)

Though not super high on the special list, they're elite nature means they have to be first-responders to counter narcotics shipments, weapons shipments, and even acts of terrorism.

Coasties who complete MSST training are prepared for and will execute the following missions:

Air Force Pararescue Jumpers — PJ
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Pararescue jumpers insert well behind enemy lines in order to rescue lost personnel, typically pilots.

Just a tick less cool than their combat controller brethren, simply because their main mission is to rescue, not to attack — they fall just outside the top 5. Nonetheless, they have to be ready to fight off hundreds of enemy fighters by means of clever guerrilla warfare, traps and specialized small unit tactics.

Certainly they can't expect a prima donna pilot to adequately defend himself, so they're well trained and super aggressive.

Pararescuemen training covers:

  • Parachute training (both basic and HALO, High Altitude Low Opening)
  • Combat diving
  • Underwater egress training
  • Basic survival
  • Paramedic training
  • Pararescue recovery specialist course
US Army Rangers
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Rangers are the Army's elite, light infantry shock-troops — airborne qualified and tough as nails, they can either support higher units — like Army 'Delta' — or conduct raids on the enemy themselves. Assuming a recruit enters the Army with a contract to be a Ranger, it'll take about a year of training to go from civilian to basically trained Army Ranger.

As the Army's "shock troops," they do conduct special operations, but oftentimes those ops fall in line with what regular Marine infantry does — in this way, they are elite, but certainly not close to the top dogs.

Courses and qualifications include:

  • Military freefall
  • Combat diving
  • Survival Evasion Resistance Escape
  • Jump master (parachuting)
  • Combatives instructor
  • Combat lifesaver (medical first response)
  • Pathfinder (survival)
  • Language
  • Mountain Warfare
Recapture Tactics Team — Marine Security Forces

The Recapture Tactics Team is a sub-unit of Marine Security Forces. The SWAT-like unit is responsible for guarding Naval bases, particularly those in possession of nuclear technology.

Aside from attending Marine Designated Marksman and Close Quarters Battle training, these Marines also attend Naval demolition breaching courses (not unlike Navy SEALs). All put together, their main job is to assault a well-fortified room and take back U.S. property — not a wide range of special operations, but still specialized.

There are 3 elements to a Recapture Tactics Team squad:

  • Breachers
    skilled in various methods of entry, including using explosives
  • Shooters
    trained in close quarters battle (CQB)
  • Designated Marksmen
    Sharpshooters, typically armed with M14 Designated Marksmen Rifles, with high powered scopes and silencers.
Special Activities Division — Central Intelligence Agency

The Special Activities Division in the CIA is comprised of only a few hundred people. For good reason — their main mission is complete "deniable" operations. If Rainbow Six is Black Operations, then SAD is the shadow cast by those operations.

The Agency can and does recruit from within for these positions, sending Agents through the actual military pipeline to get organically trained agents. They also hire former SEALs, Green Berets, and Marine Recon.

They break down into three branches:

  • Ground Branch
    SAD Ground Branch operatives are experts in field craft, surveillance, small arms, hostage rescue, CQB and advanced driving. Many former Army Special Forces soldiers and Delta Force operators find their way into Ground Branch.
  • Maritime Branch
    As the name suggests, SAD Maritime Branch's focus is on amphibious operations and as such tends to recruit ex SEALs and Force Recon Marines as its operators.
  • Air Branch
    SAD's aviation wing.
Marine Scout Snipers
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Scout Snipers are subject matter experts on identification of high valued targets, visual reconnaissance, and ingress and egress, without detection, from enemy occupied territory.

Oh yeah, and they can shoot hair off a tick's behind from a kilometer away.

They're not super elite in that the military will use them for raids, but their expertise at recon and shooting high-valued targets in the face puts them squarely into the realm of special operations.

Their 8.5 week initial training consists of:

  • Marksmanship and field craft:
    Running. Running. More running. Students also learn how to sketch terrain, read targets through a spotter scope, and hit targets at "known" distances.
  • Stalking:
    Students learn how to enter a contested area unnoticed, scout that area, and exit unnoticed — meanwhile, trained, hardened sniper instructors scan the area with high powered binoculars, looking for the students.
  • Unknown Distance Range:
    Students fire at targets upward of a kilometer away, without being told exactly what the distance or elevation is. The Marines must accurately range and hit their own targets.
Navy Special Warfare Combat-craft Crewmen — SWCC
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When the SEALs are in a bind, they call SWCC.

Combat Crewman provide highly aggressive, tactical "exfiltration" of SEAL units. They can be loud and destructive, or quite quiet, as they aid and reinforce SEALs who may or may not be in a particularly nasty situation.

Eliteness: Not as high level as Force Recon, but not quite in the middle with Rangers.

To become a basically trained crewman, a sailor must complete:

Army Green Berets — "Special Forces"
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Army Green Berets are among the most elite groups in the world, and provide a pipeline to higher units, like the Army's "Delta" CAG, and the CIA SAD.

They have about as much street-cred as numbered SEALs and Force Recon, depending on who's doing the talking.

Notably, Green Berets have some of the toughest initial training in the entire military (at the risk of drawing the ire of SEALs and Marine Recon). Their initial test lasts an incredible 24 days, and that's just to see if you can attend the Green Beret qualification course.

The initial test:

  • Days 1 — 3: Physical fitness tests, language training, rucksack marches, basic first aid.
  • Days 4 — 19: Map reading, and land navigation over various terrain. weeks Basic
  • Days 20 — 22: Long distance trek, long distance land navigation.
  • Days 23 — 24: Outprocessing and official selection boards.
And don't forget ...
Air Force:

Tactical Response Force: Kind of like police SWAT teams, except with nuclear bombs. Air Force TRFs protect nuclear missile silos.

Tactical Air Control Parties (TACP):"Tacs" guide close air support and artillery by radio or other communication, often from behind enemy lines.

Army:

Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR): These are the guys in those infamous black helicopters. Dubbed "The Nightstalkers," they're a group of upper echelon tactical aviators who support operators on the ground.

Intelligence Support Activity (ISA): Referred to as "The Activity," this Top Secret unit performs Human Intelligence (HUMINT, spies and assets) operations and Signals Intelligence (SIGINT, "listeners").

Asymmetric Warfare Group (AWG): A group comprised of only about 400 people who specialize in developing methods to counter asymmetric threats. They advise the officers who implement policy in the field.

Special Reaction Teams: Army version of civilian SWAT teams.

Navy:

Helicopter Sea Combat Squadron 84: The "Red Wolves" are the Navy's version Army SOAR. They provide heliborne support to Navy SEALs and SWCC operators on the ground.

Marine Corps:

Radio Recon Platoon: Radio reconnaissance members are specialized warfighters who also provide communications to Marine Corps Recon operators.

Special Reaction Teams: A Marine Corps version of civilian SWAT teams.
 
On niitä Jenkeissä näköjään... Toisaalta budjettikin on aika omilla luvuillaan...
 
Olen ymmärtänyt USA:n erikoisjoukkojen paisumisen olevan osin keino pitää päteväksi osoittautuneet miehet pidempään rivissä.
 
Uskon ja toivon että helikopterilentäjämme myös käyvät vaihdossa ulkomailla.

Ei ne hekot hukkaan mene vaikka moni niitä kiroaa, muuhun en niitä käyttäisikään kuin erikoisoperaatioihin.
 
Uskon ja toivon että helikopterilentäjämme myös käyvät vaihdossa ulkomailla.

Ei ne hekot hukkaan mene vaikka moni niitä kiroaa, muuhun en niitä käyttäisikään kuin erikoisoperaatioihin.
Mitä hyötyä ulkomaan vaihdot tuovat?
Suomesta löytyy jos jonkinlaista maastoa minkä yllä lentää. Pohjoisessa tunturit, avomeri, saaristo, sisämaan korvet jne..
 
Ei ne enää niin nuoria ole kun toistakymmentä vuotta on värvätty. Tuossa olis loistopohja nyt rakentaa uudenlainen nopean ja ammattimaisen toiminnan kulttuuri Suomeen. Eräänlainen nukkuva sotilaseliitti. Varsin nopeasti sais sen 1 000 ukkoa kasaan jos viittitään vähän maksaakkin ja toinen mokoma tulis kyllä. Tuossa hieman räknäsin.

Periaatteessa siis 2000 sopimus-sotilasta varusteineen, harjoituksineen, palkkoineen ja kuluineen ja sitten 10 000 erikoisjoukkoreservi ja lopuksi 30 000 valmiusjoukkoreservi vastaavalla kulurakenteella kuluineen olisi luokkaa puolen miljardia oleva satsaus vuositasolla. Ymmärrän toki ettei siihen ole rahoja, mutta sanonpa vain että kun puhutaan tästä päivästä, niin tuossa on jo 3 aaltoa poliittisestikkin työkalupakkiin sopivaa mobilisaatio-aaltoa ennen täysimittaista mobilisaatiota ja tämä on hiton tärkeää taloudenkin rattaiden pyörimisen takia. Erikoisjääkärit-erikoisjääkärien reservi-valmiusjoukkojen reservi, joka sitten ottaisi ohjat käsiin 5 puolustusvoimien valmiusprikaatissa. Tarkoitan, että puolen miljardin satsauksella saisimme seuraavaa:
  1. Venäjä voi unohtaa pienten vihreiden miesten strategian
  2. Suomea ei yllätetä
  3. Armeija runko on erittäin hyvin koulutettu ja motivoitunut. Se tietää kovia tappioita hyökkääjälle. Pelote.
  4. Lopun 100 000 - 150 000 sotilaan puhtaan maavoiman mobilisaatioon täydessä sodassa jää hyvin aikaa.
Ikäviä tapauksia varten 1 000 erkkaria.
Suurempaa painostusta varten 12 000 erkkaria.
Yllätyshyökkäystä varten 12 000 erkkaria ja 30 000 raskaasti aseistettua jääkäriä.
Täysimittaista sotaa varten 150 000 - 200 000 sotilasta puhdasta maaavoimaa.

Aina puhutaan rahasta, mutta ei tuo nyt niin suuri satsaus oikeasti olisi jos on tahtoa. Suomen nykyinen armeijan osuus bkt:sta on naurettava. Suomella on sellainen maantieteellinen sekä poliittinen että/yhtä kuin talouspoliittinen asema, että miten helv**** se ei voi olla suurempi? Jos Natoa haikaillaan, niin siellä pyydetään että jokaisella olisi 2% edes jatkossa. Jos minun ehdotukseni toteutuisi, se mahtuisi lisämäärärahahankintojenkin korotuksen lisäksi hyvin 2% raameihin, joka mielestäni on aika vähän maan itsenäisyyden satsaukseen (1/50 bkt:sta), jos pelkästään valtio hassaa pari miljardia johonkin it-ohjelmiin per vuosi ja puolitoista miljardia kehitysapuun ja herra ties kuinka paljon mielipuoliseen maahanmuuttopolitiikkaan, entä mitä kuntasektori hassaa kun virkamiehet pelkää et jos ei tuhlata määrärahoja kokonaan, ne vähenee ensi vuonna, entä nykyinen maatalousjärjestelmä, johon uppoaa 4,5 miljardia vuodessa.... Muistutan lopuksi, että sotilaallinen voima on politiikan tukiranka ja Sauli joutui valehtelemaan taannoin Yhdysvalloissa 355 000 miehen reservillään, mutta muisti asialla kuitenkin kehua.

Niin ja jos tämä toteutetaan oikein, se toisi siihen tupatun rahan takaisin verotuloina...

Itse en erikoisjoukkoina kouluttaisi kun tuon noin 1000.

Loput valmiusjoukot jääkäreinä, sisseinä, rajajääkäreinä, 10v sitoumus.
Kehittäisin vain korvausta siitä että vuosittain treenataan paljon, se voisi olla myös verohelpotus.
 
Muutama vuosi takaperin merivoimien vuosipäivänä Turussa sukeltajien kojussa oli ylikessu keneltä löytyi hyppysiivet sekä sukeltajan merkki. Kyselin josko suomalaisilla on kyky operoida ruotsalaisista sukellusveneistä käsin yhteistyössä heidän merellisten erikoisjoukkojensa kanssa. Vastaus oli vaan että en kommentoi.
 
Helikoptereista en tiedä mutta nämä erikoisjääkärit tarvitsisivat ehdottomasti kovia tilanteita... Kun niitä ei kotimaassa ole tarjolla niin sitten ulkomailta... Enkä tarkoita mitään A maan tukikohdassa kämppimistä...
 
Helikoptereista en tiedä mutta nämä erikoisjääkärit tarvitsisivat ehdottomasti kovia tilanteita... Kun niitä ei kotimaassa ole tarjolla niin sitten ulkomailta... Enkä tarkoita mitään A maan tukikohdassa kämppimistä...

Löytyy kun laskeutuu sinne Pakistanin rajan pintaan.
 
En tiedä onko heitä jotka menevät kouluttamaan niitä Kurdeja ISIS:stä vastaan.
Sitten perun vastustusta mutta olisi pitänyt hoitaa salassa ja antaa lupa voimankäyttöön.
 
En nyt käynyt tarkistamassa, mutta ennen riitti ainakin reservin aliupseerin koulutus. Eli kun olet käynyt AUK vaikka tykistön tuliasemalinjalla niin voit hakea pääsykokeisiin. Siellä sitten katsotaan oletko fyysisesti ja henkisesti sopiva ammatti erikoisjoukkotehtäviin.

Mutta noi Nemen määrät ei ole kyllä mitään realistisia varsinkaan kun kyse on erikoisjoukoista.

Sanoisin, että ilman laskuvarjo-/erikoisrajajääkärin tai taistelusukeltajan tms. varusmiestaustaa erikoisjääkäriksi on pirun vaikea päästä. Kun ottavat ns. parhaat päältä hakijoista.
 
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