Elena Rykovtseva: Each day brings us a tape issues that arise every day, every hour in front of a wonderful company, which is called the "Uralvagonzavod", which released the famous tank "Armata", which have all seen on the Victory Parade. Suddenly it turned out that the company is bankrupt, I suddenly found that it does not save the state orders. And as a very important point that I would like to note that since the power plant is very loyal. You remember how in 2012 they supported, "Uralvagonzavod" - a person support Vladimir Putin. Much has been said about the fact that these "bread" orders that suddenly get the company, once linked to this support. Paul, as it so happened that caressed power "Uralvagonzavod not save him these wonderful military orders?
Pavel Felgenhauer: Because the plant is called "Uralvagonzavod". Indeed, they produce cars, one of the main producers of freight cars in the country. There are a number of factories in the country, which also makes cars. Now with cars just trouble. Even before the current crisis was the overproduction of cars, and now a complete nightmare. Cars are not necessary, because the transportation of a wagon fell, but it did not grow as expected. Wagon production launched by that production will rise as growing in the 2000s and need more cars. So they basically all the problems because of the cars produced. They sent a large number of workers on leave with pay two thirds of salary, from mid-April to late May the plant never worked. Military orders them is insufficient huge plant contain. So they have a problem is not with the military orders, namely civil.
Elena Rykovtseva: It turns out that the military order is not big enough for them to feed the whole plant and keep it afloat?
Pavel Felgenhauer: insufficient. Military Production - this is not the entire production. Mostly in recent years, they still did wagons. Who it is still not the Soviet era, when the tanks produced by two or three thousand a year. Suffice piece production. Although it is unclear how much are those few samples "Almaty was" that they have put the Ministry of Defence, they say one thing worth half a billion, maybe even more, but they are few - a few pieces. And the cars there were to be made by tens of thousands, now have absolutely no demand.
Elena Rykovtseva: Tank "Armata" is not on their website, because it was a prototype, not yet launched on the stream, not launched for sale. You wrote in "Novaya Gazeta" that he left unfinished, poor quality, not very modern. Ukrainian producers will do at some other models, it would be more promising in terms of sales.
Pavel Felgenhauer: I said that in Ukraine can be licensed production will adjust. As long as they produce their T-64 tank - a variant of the Soviet tanks. They make it a modernized, but he has all the shortcomings of Soviet tanks. "Armata" T-14 - is an attempt to solve the problems that ultimately it is now clear even to the tank builders that the Soviet tank building was stalled. Strategic decisions were made in the 1960s, where to go. Our tank builders have gone in the wrong direction and at an impasse, our tanks were not very fit. For local wars in the third world can be, and very large losses among the crew, and the western is better on the battlefield is not met, it will hopelessly be like shooting ducks in a shooting gallery. What we decided to do, above all, to save the crews. Because the typical thing is full of pictures, and now from the Donbass - a Soviet-type T-72 assembled in Russia, T-64 Kharkov Ukrainian assembly or even T-90 destroyed tank, he towers, tower or crooked left on the tank hang, or its general story goes into the bushes. Detonation of ammunition - that means that the crew died. And in the western wrecked tanks crew are almost always saved, anyway there is the level of losses, 10 percent die, someone is injured, but the whole crew saved. Because the explosions, detonation ammo there are in principle impossible, and we have this happens all the time. Here the crew decided to hide in a separate bronekapsuly. But with this big problem, because it turns out that the crew is sitting in a very narrow place, also at the bottom of the tank, tower desert, for all others can only look at the displays, it is necessary to saturate the tank with all sorts of quite expensive sensors, radars. Automatic loader was, and it was a big problem, too, there is an old gun, because the other is not, the same old set of shells, and they, too, are insufficient for a modern tank battle. Again, all the experts know it. That is glued in the tank some progressive, modern things set, but some have set themselves quite old, since there are no others. In my opinion, it was not very successful composition.
Rykovtseva Elena: So, you think that he will not continue to be made in this way or is it naplyuyut all this and will continue, yes, it is defective, but it will be so?
Pavel Felgenhauer: It is not defective, but it is very expensive, at three times the price of the modified T-90 and several times more expensive than the most modern Western tanks. As far as he is better - it is quite obvious. From the point of view of experts is that shown in Red Square - it is rather a demonstration. So it is because the state tests is just beginning, they will last for several years. The military will make their adjustments, they will say what they like, what they dislike. He is definitely not like the price. Apparently, there are very big problems with ergonomics, because the crew stuffed like sardines, very small space. In the western tanks, Israeli tanks are much more spacious. And this is very important because a person spends a lot of time in the tank, you can not get out there - it's not a fighter flew, villages, went to the rest room. This tank, it is necessary to live permanently. There was an incident on May 7 at the Red Square when, it seems, the driver lost the ability to drive a car, and she got up on the Red Square in front of the Mausoleum. Embarked on the battlefield Tank - a dead tank, destroying it.
Elena Rykovtseva: As I understand it, the expert "Uralvagonzavod" jumped up, jumped up to help.
Pavel Felgenhauer: They figured out. Shoigu came up, we thought it to be evacuated. I climbed to a specialist, replaced the driver wound up the tank and went. The problem was not in the tank - the problem was in the carriage. But the crew did not just like that, they apparently spent too much time here in this stuffy space is very small. There's a few hours of 80-90% readiness, even an experienced driver is lost.
Elena Rykovtseva: Based on what you said about this tank, I've talked defective, just mean value for the money, as you have seen the problem areas in the tank. It will not solve the problem of "Uralvagonzavod" and unlikely to tank in the form in which it exists today, customers will demand.
Pavel Felgenhauer: In this form, probably not. In any case, mass production will begin soon. Even there are some plans that need to rivet to 2020 almost 2,300 new tanks, it is unlikely to happen. In general, mass production will begin either in 2017, or in 2018, it was again the same can not be understood. And what kind of car will go into production, it is also unclear. In fact, the park will have to change the tank, because the possibility of upgrading the Soviet T-72 tanks, of which now does the latest modification of the T-90, have been exhausted. They are expensive and at the same time inefficient. Therefore, there really killed the crews, that is, to do something will have. The purpose of the new tank - the right target, it is necessary to change the tank park. But whether, firstly, the money, and whether to be sure the T-14 with a wildly expensive airborne radar set, because his price will be like a modern fighter, is unclear.
Elena Rykovtseva: And these patterns that we see today on their website already conveyor - it claimed?
Pavel Felgenhauer, "Terminator" nobody needed it was not interesting to anyone undertaking. "Terminator 2" nor the Russian Ministry of Defense buys or other customers. T-90 is produced, a certain number were exported to third countries. In principle, the tank can fight, can participate in local conflicts, but conflict is in the third world war, and especially suited to countries with high birth rates, where such losses are not terribly perceived by society as in Western countries, but in general, and now we have women in particular are not ready to give birth to the new. Tanks with light skin that is easy to bomb.
Elena Rykovtseva: Alexander, how you reacted in Yekaterinburg on the incident with the tank "Armata"? And whether you agree with Pavel Felgenhauer, a special production plant that is not in high demand?
Alexander Rodionov: I listened with great interest Paul read his material, understand its level of involvement. Going back to the incident at the Red Square. Naturally, all the media that the federal, regional details that describe this problem. Another issue that I discussed this situation with colleagues and people involved in the sphere of military-industrial complex. How do they, and I agree that any machinery, especially the combat, "Armata" - this is an attempt to do something new. Because this is the first time can be for the past 30 years trying to make something new. Everything on which we fought before, all that we operate now - it's all the technology of the twentieth century, they are really outdated, they do not protect people, the crews. It can break down, it could stop because what they showed us - a shell. Do not forget that the first year "Uralvagonzavod" is working with the French and Russian tanks equips the French system, because we just do not know how to do these systems. Night vision systems, thermal imagers, something else. In fact, inside we do not know what is there, there is still more than half and no. Indeed, we do not know when the tank will come into operation. The technique can get. I do not really agree with the assessment that people spent a lot of time in bronekorobke, weary and tired. Maybe he really did not understand. When it was replaced by a more experienced driver, the car went. That is, we have to guess. Uralvagonzavod, of course, did not recognize the error, we slipped funny version - we practiced towing equipment in the event of a fault. It is clear that there was something wrong. As for the future of this tank, you know, it's an attempt to break through, we can not say that Uralvagonzavod sends triumphant - the first tank of the third generation after the Second World War. It is understood that the corporation profitable so submit their products. On the other hand, it is on this basis, because Paul mentioned T-64, which burned wildly in Donbas. I also saw those pictures. We know that our tanks are really heavy in terms of fighting for working people who are sitting inside. Really people there are dying. Maybe with the help of trial and error during the state tests, which will last at least five years from the platform something happens. But perhaps in defense of the national defense industry, I want our weapons became a modern and competitive in comparison with the armies of the United States, Germany and other European countries. We are all a little bit forgotten, that we have a modern aviarazrabotka, modern T-50, which is a fifth generation fighter. He was not brought to the Red Square, he did not fly in the sky, about it now, no one says, because for the fifth generation fighter aircraft engines are not ready. And we see that it is really difficult process. Our industry is due to the quality of production, due to the impact of employees and the rest is lost. I do not know if a positive development, yet this is the case.
Elena Rykovtseva: A partnership with the French did not stop because of the sanctions?
Alexander Rodionov: Thoroughly answer your question, I can not. As you know, "Uralvagonzavod" is under the influence of the EU and US sanctions. This contract with the French company, there are about decades. This year in September, in the Sverdlovsk region will be held the 10th exhibition of arms in Nizhny Tagil, is likely to come, Putin is likely to touch the "Armata" hand, it will show all the federal channels, and that's where we understand the French to work or not Uralvagonzavod . Clearly, this is one of the basic exhibitions, there are signed agreements.
Elena Rykovtseva: Is it true that at the time Serdyukov refused "Almaty was" because of its potentially very high cost?
Alexander Rodionov: With all that done Serdyukov, was a good start. By virtue of whether its market approach and psychology, unrelated to the army, this man clearly hinted defense industry: old things you do, you are not competitive, we will not give you money, as you do not ask any modern weapons. I remember very well that when he was Serdyukov and his deputies and representatives of the General Staff, in particular, severely criticized the tower "Almaty was." But then the tank was completely secret, we are not that his image is not seen, we do virtually nothing about it know. I'll admit that four years ago the tower "Almaty was" still was inhabited. Maybe that serious criticism of the Defense Ministry and the General Staff about the tower can be led development "Uralvagonzavod" to it. While it is difficult to say how successful this decision. Because as Paul said, this is such a filling to be ultramodern, all works by controlling the bottom. Yes, the Ministry of Defense "Armata" not satisfied.
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