Merivoimien kehitysnäkymät

Mitenköhän Gripen M on tarkoitus laukaista alukselta? Eihän tuossa ole edes ramppia...
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Ainakin niiden täytyy keksiä uusi paikka Phalanxilleen tai Gripen laivue käy vähiin aika nopeasti. Varmaa on ettei tuolta nysältä nousta raskaassa lastissa Gripenin tehoilla, hyvä jos tyhjänäkään. Parempi pitää helikoptereilla vain josseivat samalla osta vanhoja Harriereja.

Edit. On kyllä halvalla lähtenyt, 84 miljoonaa aluksesta jolle tehty neljä vuotta sitten 65 miljoonan euron remontti.
 
Artikkeli on harvinaisen selkeä, että tuo on helikopteritukialus ja nimeämisen tapa jättää varauksen isommalle lentotukialukselle.
 
Denel (umkonton valmistaja) on akuutissa kassakriisissä eikä maksa palkkoja/laskuja.

In her reply, Brown indicated that the Department owed over R1.532 billion to its suppliers. Moreover, a total of 61 063 invoices have not been paid within the prescribed 30 days after an invoice has been submitted. The revelation comes as Denel struggled to pay its 4 000 employees their December salaries.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50293&catid=74&Itemid=30
 
Artikkeli on harvinaisen selkeä, että tuo on helikopteritukialus ja nimeämisen tapa jättää varauksen isommalle lentotukialukselle.
Niin, tuo Oceanin ostohan on vain vahvistus, että tukialukset on Brasilian tulevaisuutta. "According to Roberto Lopes, the Brazilian Navy is already planning on re-naming its new ship something other than São Paulo in order to keep that moniker free for a more capable future carrier." antaa hyvinkin syytä pitää brosyyrit ojennuksessa.

Voipi olla, että tämä on koepallo kannattaako entisen eläköitetyn jälkeen todellista lentotukialusta hankkia enää tulevaisuudessa. Artikkelissa puhutaan muun muassa satamainfran kelvottomuudesta...
 
Voipi olla, että tämä on koepallo kannattaako entisen eläköitetyn jälkeen todellista lentotukialusta hankkia enää tulevaisuudessa. Artikkelissa puhutaan muun muassa satamainfran kelvottomuudesta...

Jos minut ylennettäisiin Brasilian merivoimien nojatuolivara-amiraaliksi lopettaisin tuon tukialushaaveilun ja keskittyisin hankkimaan ydinsukellusveneitä ja moderneja, alueilmatorjuntaan ja risteilyohjusten ampumiseen kykeneviä monitoimihävittäjiä / fregatteja. Royal Navysta näkee, mitä tukialuskiima saa aikaiseksi. Koko merivoimat uhrataan parin, tai oikeastaan yhden, statussymbolin eteen jota ei ole edes varaa saattaa.

Lentotukialukset eivät ole enää niin kova juttu kun aiemmin. Pitkän kantaman iskukykyä saa risteilyohjuksin, pitkän kantaman ilmapuolustusta alueilmatorjuntaohjuksin ja ilmatankkauksen ansiosta esim. meripartiokyky ja AEW voivat toimia maatukikohdista käsin hyvinkin pitkän matkan päästä.
 
Jos minut ylennettäisiin Brasilian merivoimien nojatuolivara-amiraaliksi lopettaisin tuon tukialushaaveilun ja keskittyisin hankkimaan ydinsukellusveneitä...

Niinhän ne itsekin päättivät tehdä. Nyt vain hankittiin halvalla helikopteritukialus lippulaivaksi ja pidetään optimistisesti ovi auki lentotukialuksen hankkimiselle joskus hamassa tulevaisuudessa.
 
Turun Sanomien mukaan RMC kaavailee rakentavansa laivanrakennushallin Raumalle, "jossa puolustusvoimien hankkeita voitaisiin rakentaa paitsi suotuisimmissa olosuhteissa, myös katseilta piilossa".

Sieltähän voi sitten lakanan takaa paljastua vaikka stealth taisteluristeilijä 2020 :cool::cool:
 
Niinhän ne itsekin päättivät tehdä. Nyt vain hankittiin halvalla helikopteritukialus lippulaivaksi ja pidetään optimistisesti ovi auki lentotukialuksen hankkimiselle joskus hamassa tulevaisuudessa.

Tärkeintä kuitenkin lienee että banaanitasavaltojen amiraalien kokoontuessa brassilla on isoin vehje...
 
Turun Sanomien mukaan RMC kaavailee rakentavansa laivanrakennushallin Raumalle, "jossa puolustusvoimien hankkeita voitaisiin rakentaa paitsi suotuisimmissa olosuhteissa, myös katseilta piilossa".

Sieltähän voi sitten lakanan takaa paljastua vaikka stealth taisteluristeilijä 2020 :cool::cool:
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"Now witness the firepower of this fully armed and operational battle station"
 
Tärkeintä kuitenkin lienee että banaanitasavaltojen amiraalien kokoontuessa brassilla on isoin vehje...

Aikaisemmin ABC-mailla (Argentiina, Brasilia, Chile) oli ihan ikioma merivarustelukilpailunsa, mutta Argentiina on pitkään ollut talousvaikeuksissa ja Chilen kansantalouden suhteellinen koko on pienentynyt, joten HMS Oceanillakin pärjää... ;)

Oi niitä vanhoja hyviä aikoja, kun vallan kolmijako Etelä-Amerikassa tarkoitti vallan jakoa maa- meri- ja ilmavoimien välillä...
 
German engineering best engineering?



The German Navy Decided To Return Their Bloated New Frigate To The Ship Store This Christmas

It's the first time the German Navy has rejected a ship after it was formally delivered.
BY TYLER ROGOWAYDECEMBER 23, 2017
TYLER ROGOWAY

Just weeks ago we told the story of Germany's puzzling Baden-Wurttemberg class Type 125 (F125) frigate program. Not only did we discuss the ship's odd mission and design features, but we also highlighted some of the troubling post-delivery issues with the lead ship in the class. These problems include a persistent list to starboard and the fact that the ship is dramatically overweight, which would limit its performance, increase its cost of operation, and most importantly, negatively impact the Deutsche Marine's ability to add future upgrades to the somewhat sparsely outfitted vessel.

THE CURIOUS CASE OF GERMANY'S MASSIVE NEW BUT RELATIVELY TOOTHLESS TYPE 125 "FRIGATES"By Tyler Rogoway Posted in THE WAR ZONE


Now the German Navy has officially declined to commission the vessel and will be returning it to Blohm+Voss shipyard in Hamberg. The decision to do so was based on a number of "software and hardware defects" according toGerman media reports. The noted software deficiencies are of particular importance because these destroyer-sized vessels will supposedly be operated by a crew of just 120-130 sailors—just half that of the much smaller Bremen class frigatesthey replace—continuously for months at a time. On top of that, the design's reliability is paramount as the four ships in the class are supposed to deploy far from German shores for up to two years at a time.

According to Navaltoday.com, this is the first time the German Navy has returned a ship to a shipbuilder after delivery. Baden-Wurttenberg had already missed its planned commissioning date last summer.

Complicating things further is the fact that the fourth and final F125 frigate, the Rheinland-Pfalz, was already christened last Spring. Because of the concurrentconstruction and testing procurement strategy, these vessels are likely to suffer from at least some of the same issues as the lead ship in the class.

Aside from this troubling situation, Germany is going through some major tribulations with its naval arm, including the embarrassing reality that the country currently has no operational submarines.

We'll keep you updated as the F125 frigate saga continues to unfold.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-new-frigate-to-the-ship-store-this-christmas

So you are probably asking yourself by now "what the hell is this ship intended for?" You wouldn't be the first wonder.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ew-but-relatively-toothless-type-125-frigates
 
Viimeksi muokattu:
German engineering best engineering?



The German Navy Decided To Return Their Bloated New Frigate To The Ship Store This Christmas

It's the first time the German Navy has rejected a ship after it was formally delivered.
BY TYLER ROGOWAYDECEMBER 23, 2017
TYLER ROGOWAY

Just weeks ago we told the story of Germany's puzzling Baden-Wurttemberg class Type 125 (F125) frigate program. Not only did we discuss the ship's odd mission and design features, but we also highlighted some of the troubling post-delivery issues with the lead ship in the class. These problems include a persistent list to starboard and the fact that the ship is dramatically overweight, which would limit its performance, increase its cost of operation, and most importantly, negatively impact the Deutsche Marine's ability to add future upgrades to the somewhat sparsely outfitted vessel.

THE CURIOUS CASE OF GERMANY'S MASSIVE NEW BUT RELATIVELY TOOTHLESS TYPE 125 "FRIGATES"By Tyler Rogoway Posted in THE WAR ZONE


Now the German Navy has officially declined to commission the vessel and will be returning it to Blohm+Voss shipyard in Hamberg. The decision to do so was based on a number of "software and hardware defects" according toGerman media reports. The noted software deficiencies are of particular importance because these destroyer-sized vessels will supposedly be operated by a crew of just 120-130 sailors—just half that of the much smaller Bremen class frigatesthey replace—continuously for months at a time. On top of that, the design's reliability is paramount as the four ships in the class are supposed to deploy far from German shores for up to two years at a time.

According to Navaltoday.com, this is the first time the German Navy has returned a ship to a shipbuilder after delivery. Baden-Wurttenberg had already missed its planned commissioning date last summer.

Complicating things further is the fact that the fourth and final F125 frigate, the Rheinland-Pfalz, was already christened last Spring. Because of the concurrentconstruction and testing procurement strategy, these vessels are likely to suffer from at least some of the same issues as the lead ship in the class.

Aside from this troubling situation, Germany is going through some major tribulations with its naval arm, including the embarrassing reality that the country currently has no operational submarines.

We'll keep you updated as the F125 frigate saga continues to unfold.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...-new-frigate-to-the-ship-store-this-christmas

So you are probably asking yourself by now "what the hell is this ship intended for?" You wouldn't be the first wonder.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ew-but-relatively-toothless-type-125-frigates
Noista sakemanneista voikin sitten PV ja RMC ottaa Laivue 2020:tä rakentaessaan mallia, että miten ei tule tehdä.
 
Tuon fregatin vois nyt saada halvalla ja pultata siihen vähän aseistusta.
 
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